Re: CDS, Injections and Dairy Cows

Damian,

I think I remember correctly, Michael told me that (and forgive me f I'm wrong Michael) it's OK to put the CDS into a Saline solution (from a Saline IV bag) and then inject it into the muscle tissue. But that it was the baking soda mixed with the CDS that inactivated it that was the problem.

If you go to a Seed & Feed store, you can get say a large 60ml syringe, and first suck up 10ml of 3000ppi CDS from a shot glass....then, suck up from the saline bag the remaining saline solution to fill the syringe (approx 50ml)

I might use the rump muscle, since it's the biggest, and slowly inject it all in there. Since he's a small calf (if I remember correctly) I'd say it's ok to use 10ml each dose to start off with.

This is not professional advice, but just a suggestion, and a place to start ... IF, that is, you can get a large enough syringe and about about a 10-15 gauge needle to inject. A feed store should have all this, depending on where you live Damian.

Clint

Only caution I can thing of is that somewhere I read that it hurts or stings going in.

True Horsefeathers, for a human being it does... but a calf has a lot more body weight, and a bigger muscle than any human... if the calf twitches badly when injecting, than I'd say use less CDS... but if I remember correctly, Andreas injected a lot more than just 10ml.

A person can always inject a syringe with 5ml's of CDS ... twice (as one session) if it stings bad for the animal.


Clint

It does. Andreas felt that by using additional inactivated MMS (which is high PH) = just a little, (don't have the percentages - but I know that when Janet got her sting ray bite, he used 2 drops per mL of CDS), they were raising the ph of the CDS. I'm sending you a PM, please pick it up, drgreen.

Yee Haa! Maybe now we are on the right track?!!

THAT's what I forgot Pam.... the extra drops of RAW MMS (unactivated)

If you go for the injection - Charge your syringe - remove the needle - holding the needle only - bump the rump a couple of time with the heel of your hand ,without inserting the needle - then jab it in on the 3 bump. Then screw on the syringe - then pull back on the plunger - if you get blood - your in a vein or artery - start again - bump, bump, jab, etc. You do not want to dose straight into a vein or artery - just the muscle .

Clint is right on enemas - go slow and warm - been there - on myself. I wouldn't flush (he's flushed). But I would keep it up.

Thank you Pam, Fourfingerz, Macaddict and Horsefeathers As I understand it its the acidity of the CDS that causes the pain and using the unactivated MMS drops will raise the PH and lessen the pain. I will do my homework and get an injectable solution prepared.

I have visited Calvin again and tried (AGAIN) to get the CDS to stay inside him (rectal dose) I failed, I don't have an enema bag that I can use to let the solution enter him via gravity. I am instead using a 60ml syringe and a soft piece of tube. I am not forcing the solution in but rather going very very slowly. When I first tried this method I got 500ml of plain warm water inside him without it coming back out, but now with the CDS no matter how slow I go it comes back out after a few seconds and only around 30ml being inserted

His health seems the same, very affectionate, very thin, cant walk but eager to feed. he licks me quite obsessively until he has made a big wet patch on my clothes and tries to suckle my fingers, fist, nose and pretty much anything he can get in his mouth he is a real fighter and the farmer described him as his best ever calf until he got sick.

I won't rush the injections until they are 'right' but I have to move quickly as although I can't see him getting too much worse, he definitely isn't getting better.

Thanks again for the advice everyone

I don't know if you subscribe to the Genesis II news letter just out - but the report on action in Columbia (on people) is that they are buffering CDS orally as well. I believe it's formulated at 1 drop unactivated MMS per cc of CDS. I also noted increased performance when I added activated MMS to the CDS for Neula. Perhaps that was just some of the unactivated MMS buffering the CDS. Maybe try adding some buffering MMS to the oral and rectal CDS doses would help.

Hang in there - you're in uncharted territory - and doing a great job!

OK, I have been following this thread since it started and the suspense is getting to me now.

How is Calvin doing???

Drgreen bless you for the devotion, time and effort you are putting in for this little guy. I am praying he recovers. I know you are doing the best you can. Keep up the great work.

sevenrays