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24 Aug 2012 18:39 #21795
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I cant believe I just wrote such a lot for you to all read and iv just lost the lot when trying to upload the photos...GRRR!
I need to go and see Calvin again now, he is due his 4th injection for today and all is going well
I am sorry but my computer is still broken and I am going to have to make this very brief as I am at a friends and have to get back to calvin. It probably took me fifteen minutes to type up what I had to say to you all and now its gone, oh well. here is a cut and paste from the email Andreas sent me, he is an absolute legend
'Hello Damian,
The CDI ( CDS+ Naclo2) is done as followed:
first prepare 3000ppm CDS (the solution = ph4)
than add some drops of mms( naclo2) to it and measure the ph ...swirl wait an hour at least and than measure again. you slowly rise it to 6,5 -7 not more!
done
you take 1ml and dilute with 4 ml of saline solution ( 30%seawater) - this you can inyect intramuscular 5 times a day'
I am going to explain this all properly later, how I did it and how it felt (i injected myself first before calvin) but I just wanted to give you a rough idea of what is going on. Its only the first day and the injections are not painful for calvin (well they didnt hurt me, just a slight ache) he doesnt seem to mind at all. He seems ok in himself (well the same as he usually is) but his sores on his body are getting worse after just one day of me not been with him. I have taken lots of photos but need to shrink the size of them before I post. I am going to have to explain all of this properly tomorrow as I have to go again. I am really sorry I don't have more time today, I am practically living on the farm with calvin, well it seems that way as I go up every two hours. I have decided to give him all of my focus as if this works I can help so many animals in my area.
Again sorry to be short but I am really rushed at minute, I need a computer badly
Full explanation of all ins and outs plus lots of photos to follow, I PROMISE
P.S Horsefeathers and Fourfingerz, thankyou for the kind words regarding my beloved Jake, he will be sorely missed, I know in my heart he is running through the fields with my little sister as I type
I need to go and see Calvin again now, he is due his 4th injection for today and all is going well
I am sorry but my computer is still broken and I am going to have to make this very brief as I am at a friends and have to get back to calvin. It probably took me fifteen minutes to type up what I had to say to you all and now its gone, oh well. here is a cut and paste from the email Andreas sent me, he is an absolute legend'Hello Damian,
The CDI ( CDS+ Naclo2) is done as followed:
first prepare 3000ppm CDS (the solution = ph4)
than add some drops of mms( naclo2) to it and measure the ph ...swirl wait an hour at least and than measure again. you slowly rise it to 6,5 -7 not more!
done
you take 1ml and dilute with 4 ml of saline solution ( 30%seawater) - this you can inyect intramuscular 5 times a day'
I am going to explain this all properly later, how I did it and how it felt (i injected myself first before calvin) but I just wanted to give you a rough idea of what is going on. Its only the first day and the injections are not painful for calvin (well they didnt hurt me, just a slight ache) he doesnt seem to mind at all. He seems ok in himself (well the same as he usually is) but his sores on his body are getting worse after just one day of me not been with him. I have taken lots of photos but need to shrink the size of them before I post. I am going to have to explain all of this properly tomorrow as I have to go again. I am really sorry I don't have more time today, I am practically living on the farm with calvin, well it seems that way as I go up every two hours. I have decided to give him all of my focus as if this works I can help so many animals in my area.
Again sorry to be short but I am really rushed at minute, I need a computer badly
Full explanation of all ins and outs plus lots of photos to follow, I PROMISE
P.S Horsefeathers and Fourfingerz, thankyou for the kind words regarding my beloved Jake, he will be sorely missed, I know in my heart he is running through the fields with my little sister as I type
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24 Aug 2012 19:52 #21800
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Thanks for the protocol for CDI !!
It's great to have a picture, thanks. And he is looking good - I was expecting more lethargy and dehydrated.
You are a honourable fellow - taking the shot first! Are you aware that Andreas fed MMS to his dog first - before trying it himself, back in the beginning ?
Don't apologize for your reporting - you're very busy doing the treatment - and that should take top priority . We can catch up later.
Yes if this works out - you will be sought out from far and wide - to save animals. I sure hope you didn't have plans for a quiet life.
It's great to have a picture, thanks. And he is looking good - I was expecting more lethargy and dehydrated.
You are a honourable fellow - taking the shot first! Are you aware that Andreas fed MMS to his dog first - before trying it himself, back in the beginning ?
Don't apologize for your reporting - you're very busy doing the treatment - and that should take top priority . We can catch up later.
Yes if this works out - you will be sought out from far and wide - to save animals. I sure hope you didn't have plans for a quiet life.
Martin
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24 Aug 2012 22:31 #21809
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Thanks Guys
Iv been lent a computer for a little while, I cant transfer pictures just yet but im working on it.
It was really easy to make the CDS injectable, the hardest part was getting the saline solution, in the end my local vet ordered it in for me, it arrived the next day.
I have a good quality digital PH meter and so testing the CDI accurately was no problem. It was quite a fluke really but I just poured out roughly 200ml of CDS and added 1ml of unactivated MMS (sodium chlorite) this tested at PH7.3 and then i left it in the fridge for a good couple of hours. Tested it again at PH7.0 and the next day just before using it had stopped at PH6.8
You should of seen the farmers face when asked for a needle suitable for me, he's a good friend of mine and laughed calling me mad when I got my bum out and injected myself first. I really think the PH is super important if you dont want it to hurt! It was no more than a dull ache but it does take all day for it to leave entirely. The ache (and its nothing to write home about I'd give it a 1/10) stayed at the same level for two hours and then very slowly left entirely. Im sure the pain other people have felt is from too low a PH.
I plan to adjust the PH a little above and a little below what I have already tried and will let you know the difference.
Calvins got a few patches of fur missing which iv been told are because he is scouring, they are sore and attracting the flies, so I spray them every time I visit with CDS. The flies don't like it much but it only seems to stop them biting while it is active, when I return after a couple of hours they are back but never as many. I believe the CDS stops him smelling which helps keep them away.
I think the oral doses of CDS helped in some way as he has a little more energy, he tried to get up twice today but didnt quite manage it. when I first started visiting him he could hardly hold his head sometimes. He's a real fighter thats for sure and I know we will beat this and get him well again
Iv been lent a computer for a little while, I cant transfer pictures just yet but im working on it.
It was really easy to make the CDS injectable, the hardest part was getting the saline solution, in the end my local vet ordered it in for me, it arrived the next day.
I have a good quality digital PH meter and so testing the CDI accurately was no problem. It was quite a fluke really but I just poured out roughly 200ml of CDS and added 1ml of unactivated MMS (sodium chlorite) this tested at PH7.3 and then i left it in the fridge for a good couple of hours. Tested it again at PH7.0 and the next day just before using it had stopped at PH6.8
You should of seen the farmers face when asked for a needle suitable for me, he's a good friend of mine and laughed calling me mad when I got my bum out and injected myself first. I really think the PH is super important if you dont want it to hurt! It was no more than a dull ache but it does take all day for it to leave entirely. The ache (and its nothing to write home about I'd give it a 1/10) stayed at the same level for two hours and then very slowly left entirely. Im sure the pain other people have felt is from too low a PH.
I plan to adjust the PH a little above and a little below what I have already tried and will let you know the difference.
Calvins got a few patches of fur missing which iv been told are because he is scouring, they are sore and attracting the flies, so I spray them every time I visit with CDS. The flies don't like it much but it only seems to stop them biting while it is active, when I return after a couple of hours they are back but never as many. I believe the CDS stops him smelling which helps keep them away.
I think the oral doses of CDS helped in some way as he has a little more energy, he tried to get up twice today but didnt quite manage it. when I first started visiting him he could hardly hold his head sometimes. He's a real fighter thats for sure and I know we will beat this and get him well again
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26 Aug 2012 18:54 - 26 Aug 2012 19:09 #21934
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Im Going to miss out loads of information and get to the important bit....
IT WORKED!!!
Calvin is up and about now, Im so, so pleased. After just one day and four injections the farmer contacted me to say calvin seemed better. When I visited him he tried to stand on his own and had his back legs up but was resting the weight on his front legs on his wrists. The second day I let him down and only gave him three injections but on this day he stood fully on all legs properly and tried to move around but didnt manage it very well. Today is the third day and there is no stopping him, he takes his food standing up and isnt running but is VERY mobile.
I'm exstatic, im so proud of his progress.
I cant thank you all enough for the support you have given, its really helped me so much.
When I have collected myself I will go back to read what I have written and fill in the gaps.
I feel like I have really turned a corner, like we all have. To be able to inject CDS into Calvin when orally just will not do, and to see such amazing results so quickly where ALL else had failed. They had tried every antibiotic out there and gave him a 20% chance of survival.
IM SO HAPPY
I will be back soon to clear things up but had to tell you all what an amazing miracle i have witnessed over these last three days
IT WORKED!!!
Calvin is up and about now, Im so, so pleased. After just one day and four injections the farmer contacted me to say calvin seemed better. When I visited him he tried to stand on his own and had his back legs up but was resting the weight on his front legs on his wrists. The second day I let him down and only gave him three injections but on this day he stood fully on all legs properly and tried to move around but didnt manage it very well. Today is the third day and there is no stopping him, he takes his food standing up and isnt running but is VERY mobile.
I'm exstatic, im so proud of his progress.
I cant thank you all enough for the support you have given, its really helped me so much.
When I have collected myself I will go back to read what I have written and fill in the gaps.
I feel like I have really turned a corner, like we all have. To be able to inject CDS into Calvin when orally just will not do, and to see such amazing results so quickly where ALL else had failed. They had tried every antibiotic out there and gave him a 20% chance of survival.
IM SO HAPPY
I will be back soon to clear things up but had to tell you all what an amazing miracle i have witnessed over these last three days
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26 Aug 2012 18:58 #21935
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WAY TO GO CALVIN!!!!! You little fighter !!!
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