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Re: CDS, Injections and Dairy Cows 22 Aug 2012 19:48 #21689

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Hang in there Damian. I'm very sorry about Jake. I had to make the same decision with Amigo my buddy of 10 years, back in January. All our dogs are now on MMS / CDS daily.

And contacting Andreas directly is very wise - and gutsy!! Please share his CDI protocol - I've been waiting for months for some word on it (I understand it's probably in development still). But if we take that as a starting point and run with it, reporting through the forum , we could help many animals around the globe. Wil Spence ( on this forum) who's advice got me started treating Neula, indicated his AOT (MMS) stopped a horse with colic in a couple of hours. Colic is the cause of many many horse deaths (we lost Time Bandit to it 8 years ago) - and it's a hideous way to go. An injection for it would change the world.
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Re: CDS, Injections and Dairy Cows 24 Aug 2012 18:39 #21795

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I cant believe I just wrote such a lot for you to all read and iv just lost the lot when trying to upload the photos...GRRR!

I need to go and see Calvin again now, he is due his 4th injection for today and all is going well :) I am sorry but my computer is still broken and I am going to have to make this very brief as I am at a friends and have to get back to calvin. It probably took me fifteen minutes to type up what I had to say to you all and now its gone, oh well. here is a cut and paste from the email Andreas sent me, he is an absolute legend

'Hello Damian,

The CDI ( CDS+ Naclo2) is done as followed:

first prepare 3000ppm CDS (the solution = ph4)
than add some drops of mms( naclo2) to it and measure the ph ...swirl wait an hour at least and than measure again. you slowly rise it to 6,5 -7 not more!

done

you take 1ml and dilute with 4 ml of saline solution ( 30%seawater) - this you can inyect intramuscular 5 times a day'

I am going to explain this all properly later, how I did it and how it felt (i injected myself first before calvin) but I just wanted to give you a rough idea of what is going on. Its only the first day and the injections are not painful for calvin (well they didnt hurt me, just a slight ache) he doesnt seem to mind at all. He seems ok in himself (well the same as he usually is) but his sores on his body are getting worse after just one day of me not been with him. I have taken lots of photos but need to shrink the size of them before I post. I am going to have to explain all of this properly tomorrow as I have to go again. I am really sorry I don't have more time today, I am practically living on the farm with calvin, well it seems that way as I go up every two hours. I have decided to give him all of my focus as if this works I can help so many animals in my area.

Again sorry to be short but I am really rushed at minute, I need a computer badly :(

Full explanation of all ins and outs plus lots of photos to follow, I PROMISE :)

P.S Horsefeathers and Fourfingerz, thankyou for the kind words regarding my beloved Jake, he will be sorely missed, I know in my heart he is running through the fields with my little sister as I type :) :) :)


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Re: CDS, Injections and Dairy Cows 24 Aug 2012 18:49 #21796

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Thank you for the update and photo!! He's got that gleem of life in his eye! Not to mention he is a cutie! Feel free to give him a hug and a kiss from us!
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Re: CDS, Injections and Dairy Cows 24 Aug 2012 19:14 #21797

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How about injecting intravenously ?

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Re: CDS, Injections and Dairy Cows 24 Aug 2012 19:41 #21798

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drgreen,

Thanks for the update re Calvin ... we are all rooting for him !!

Just a note .... I have had the same thing happen many times, losing a loooong letter. What I do is, when I am about to hit 'Send'... I COPY the entire text (letter) into memory, then send it. IF it doesn't go thru... I try again, simply pasting my letter back into the white space, and try again.

Anyway.... thanks for the update...

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Re: CDS, Injections and Dairy Cows 24 Aug 2012 19:52 #21800

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Thanks for the protocol for CDI !!

It's great to have a picture, thanks. And he is looking good - I was expecting more lethargy and dehydrated.

You are a honourable fellow - taking the shot first! Are you aware that Andreas fed MMS to his dog first - before trying it himself, back in the beginning ?:huh:

Don't apologize for your reporting - you're very busy doing the treatment - and that should take top priority . We can catch up later.

Yes if this works out - you will be sought out from far and wide - to save animals. I sure hope you didn't have plans for a quiet life. :lol:
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Re: CDS, Injections and Dairy Cows 24 Aug 2012 22:31 #21809

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Thanks Guys :)

Iv been lent a computer for a little while, I cant transfer pictures just yet but im working on it.

It was really easy to make the CDS injectable, the hardest part was getting the saline solution, in the end my local vet ordered it in for me, it arrived the next day.

I have a good quality digital PH meter and so testing the CDI accurately was no problem. It was quite a fluke really but I just poured out roughly 200ml of CDS and added 1ml of unactivated MMS (sodium chlorite) this tested at PH7.3 and then i left it in the fridge for a good couple of hours. Tested it again at PH7.0 and the next day just before using it had stopped at PH6.8

You should of seen the farmers face when asked for a needle suitable for me, he's a good friend of mine and laughed calling me mad when I got my bum out and injected myself first. I really think the PH is super important if you dont want it to hurt! It was no more than a dull ache but it does take all day for it to leave entirely. The ache (and its nothing to write home about I'd give it a 1/10) stayed at the same level for two hours and then very slowly left entirely. Im sure the pain other people have felt is from too low a PH.

I plan to adjust the PH a little above and a little below what I have already tried and will let you know the difference.

Calvins got a few patches of fur missing which iv been told are because he is scouring, they are sore and attracting the flies, so I spray them every time I visit with CDS. The flies don't like it much but it only seems to stop them biting while it is active, when I return after a couple of hours they are back but never as many. I believe the CDS stops him smelling which helps keep them away.

I think the oral doses of CDS helped in some way as he has a little more energy, he tried to get up twice today but didnt quite manage it. when I first started visiting him he could hardly hold his head sometimes. He's a real fighter thats for sure and I know we will beat this and get him well again :)
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Re: CDS, Injections and Dairy Cows 24 Aug 2012 23:24 #21814

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Maybe try MMS for the sore / fly spray - We're doing that on the horses (since your report) and it seems to be working (as a repellant) - albeit sprayed from an old (hideous chemical) spray bottle (residue ?). The next filling will tell for sure.

I'm proud of you - I guy gives over his life to save a calf - most people are watching sports / TV (or chasing money)!!
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Re: CDS, Injections and Dairy Cows 26 Aug 2012 18:54 #21934

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Im Going to miss out loads of information and get to the important bit....

IT WORKED!!!

Calvin is up and about now, Im so, so pleased. After just one day and four injections the farmer contacted me to say calvin seemed better. When I visited him he tried to stand on his own and had his back legs up but was resting the weight on his front legs on his wrists. The second day I let him down and only gave him three injections but on this day he stood fully on all legs properly and tried to move around but didnt manage it very well. Today is the third day and there is no stopping him, he takes his food standing up and isnt running but is VERY mobile.

I'm exstatic, im so proud of his progress.

I cant thank you all enough for the support you have given, its really helped me so much.

When I have collected myself I will go back to read what I have written and fill in the gaps.

I feel like I have really turned a corner, like we all have. To be able to inject CDS into Calvin when orally just will not do, and to see such amazing results so quickly where ALL else had failed. They had tried every antibiotic out there and gave him a 20% chance of survival.

IM SO HAPPY :)

I will be back soon to clear things up but had to tell you all what an amazing miracle i have witnessed over these last three days
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