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Yes "Scours" is a catch all for infants with diarrhea.

We saved a fawn (we're in Canada eh?) with scours in the 1970's. Some children found an abandoned fawn (poor old mom was probably watching) - they took it home and fed it cow's milk - that started the scours. It was brought to us as we had goats. Angelica (the goat) was forced to nurse (locked in a milking stanchion) this fawn . She recovered and thrived. Our cat (Hamlet) would play sabertooth tiger stalking "Shrubby" around the garden - charging in for the kill. Shrubby would stare at him blankly (like what's your problem? She was 5 times bigger than him) - He would then sulk off twitching, complaining he didn't get any respect . We could go out in the yard and call her name - she would come bounding over the fences to say "Hi".

I believe there was a powder supplement to feed for scours - you get from farm feed stores (the farmer probably has it).

we have deer around this area too, they are amazing, so aware of there environment, its very rare I can get anywhere near them!

Ok so I visited Calvin up until 10.30pm last night, I noticed his diarrhea had a slime in it, not like the slime you get if they have worms, there was a good thick layer of it and it was clear to grey coloured, it almost seemed to be a layer over most of his feaces. This morning the slime has dried to almost white in some parts. He didnt drink his milk last night and I think I filled him up on CDS with such regular visits. He is one month old give or take a few days. I am now timing my visits around his feeding times as he is so thin I need to make sure he is getting his food. There was no new diarrhea from him this morning and as of now (lunchtime) there still is none, could be missing his dinner last night, or the CDS clearing the problem up as he had breakfast and has kept it inside himself so far. He has only had one full day of treatment so its very much early days.

I watched a web seminar last night (thanks Michael) and Andreas Kalcker said young cows can handle the CDS/MMS and its only as they get older it gets harder for them to process it via there stomachs.

I still want to aim towards an injection for him but for now I am happy with his progress, the slime seems to be an indication it is working on some level, what do you think?

P.S you should see the look on the farmers face when I go up to dose Calvin, he said in a nice way he believes I am wasting my time, I really want this to work so he can see that there is another way. He has roughly 50 cows and he currently spends £700 each month on treating them

Well, he survived the night! That is good news! Does he seem perkier than yesterday afternoon/evening? If he is keeping food and not passing it through as diarrhea that would seem good news. The slime I am not sure about, may be good, don't know. Hopefully Fourfingerz will read this soon and give his opinion! Is Calvin able to stand yet on his own?

This must be exhausting on you! I know that, oddly enough, it is tiring to keep at things every few hours.

Thank you for the update. Keeping you all in my prayers and hopefully it will all work out real well!!!

I have no experience with the slime. Keeping food in is a good sign. Just keep it (CDS) up as long as you can.

Yes the farmer will not understand compassionate care - he can't afford to (both the money and his available time doesn't allow it) Modern farming is factory work. Here in British Columbia small dairy farms are a thing of the past. In this valley there used to be 23 dairy farms now there’s 1 . Milk now comes from huge factory farms with 1000's of cows. And of course by the time their done with it - it's not work drinking

If your seeing progress with this treatment hold off on injections. Read Micheal's account of injecting himself - it's painful!! Calvin will end up not wanting to see you if it hurts every time. If he's going down hill then - do what it takes!

Hey guys iv just got back...again he's worth every second, I am used to the routine as I have a 17 year old dog called jake who is falling to pieces, I am going to start another thread about him as I have been using the CDS for all sorts of different problems, he really appreciates the CDS as he has a lot of fungal stuff going on. Back to Calvin, the diarrhea is back, not lots but its there, more slime again, it almost looks like his stools are trying to solidify so time will tell. Farmer told me again he thinks im wasting my time, I told him if it has worked on 800 cows elsewhere its worth trying here, he agreed and said he was happy for me continue. People find it hard to break away from age old routines of buying commercial pharmaceuticals, why would this new MMS stuff work!!! we will see. Calvin is getting harassed big time by biting flies, his skin is very dry in places from the attacks and in one small place they have broken the skin and I saw tiny drops of blood. I had seen a sore red spot on his knee when I first started to treat him and I took a neat solution of 3000ppm CDS and sprayed the affected area, it has cleared up a treat in only a day, not red or sore anymore. After such good results on myself in the past with neat CDS and also on Calvin I decided to spray him quite liberally in the affected areas and rub it in well (no where near his eyes, and making sure he did not breath any in directly) I know this will help heal his sore broken skin but Im mentioning it because the flies would no longer bite him after it was applied. previously they would land and bury themselves through his fur to get to his skin, now they land and immediately take off, or land and stay on the surface not attempting to bite! I watched him for some time to observe. Not sure why but as long as he is getting some relief and at the same time some healing, I am happy

I am working this evening for a few hours but will visit him again later

Also the farmer has given me a bottle with a big teat on the end, Calvin can now finish his dose in around ten seconds instead of me syringing it into his mouth for ten minutes.

That's VERY interesting regarding the flies - healing the bites would be expected - but repelling them!!
I will try some MMS on the horses. CDS theoretically should off gas the chlorine dioxide leaving just distilled water, MMS would leave a small residue - but who knows?

If it's easier (and quicker) with the teat bottle - maybe start to up the cc's of CDS - observing his reaction.

Have you got a farm store nearby? They should have some powder to mix up for scours , I believe it helps restore the electrolytic balance. We phone our Vet for advice fairly frequently which he gives out free of charge .

Might wanna try CDS on the horses. I first used MMS on Fella's chest and neck and the hair bleached to orange! CDS I tried later (as it didn't sting him) and now his hair seems to be coming in for the winter a more normal color (bay). Will try the CDS solution on my guys! See what happens.

Thank you for the update on Calvin! Hope he continues to improve. How is his appetite and ability or willingness to stand?

Odd question for you. What do you mean by "neat solution" of 3000ppm?

Thanks!

Hey guys, I finished a little early tonight and have already been to see the little guy. He struggles to feed from the teat bottle, I think he is getting a little too much at a time, it is a big teat, he is very malnourished so is probably a little too eager. You can hear each mouthfull go down his throat and then he pulls his head away and does a little burp. He is clever and starting to go for my fingers instead of the teat, he will take the teat and his dose if I don't let him smell it first otherwise he is getting fussy, more 'with it' He kept motioning as if trying to get up so I stood over him and put him on his feet. I had to steady him but eventually he was holding himself up, he cant walk yet. I upped his dose this time from 4cc to 5.5cc diluted in 1/2 pint of water. I will go back once more tonight and again at 6am. I will speak to our vet about something for scours after I have checked with farmer, he might already have some or have him on it. I also want to make note of the 3 viruses the farmer says he has.

Horsefeathers, when I said 'Neat CDS 3000ppm' I meant undiluted CDS without adding the water you usually would to drink it down with. I have a few different strengths and was just clarifying which one I had used.

I will continue the fly spray experiments tomorrow, it may be that when the CDS has all gassed out the flies start to bite again, I will stay longer try and figure it out. Sprayed directly onto the flies it doesn't seem to bother them much. I might have to catch some do some proper experiments

Thank you for your reply.

Sounds like Calvin is doing better. It is good to hear that he still has desire!

The husband asks if he is getting any food. Some powdered calf mix that mixes with water. Is the farmer feeding him at all or given up on the affair? It is certainly time! I would think food would be fed or at least offered more often than if he was healthy, even if it needed to be in smaller amounts than normal.