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Whether taking MMS RAW or taking standard way MMS and Citric Acid, both produce the possibility diarrhea. In fact almost anyone taking MMS the standard way is guaranteed some diarrhea at some point during there treatment. When I took MMS with Citric Acid for the first day I had to no ill effect, but on the second day I had diarrhea and then it when away on the third day.

So diarrhea and nausea is common to any treatment of MMS.

There are two factors debated here the efficacy and the rate of reaction.

Yes it is true that rate of reaction of 1 drop of MMS and 1 drop of 50% Citric Acid reacts fast. But this reaction which is creating the healing gas CLO2 is being expelled into the atmosphere for 3 minutes. That's 3 minutes of CLO2 wasted outside the body.

No one here can deny that the best and absolutely best reaction to produce CL02 is MMS and HCL, it is by far a better byproduct than the reaction of MMS with Citric Acid.

It does not make mathematical sense. Let's see I take 1 drop MMS and 1 Drop Citric Acid, I put it in a plastic spoon I allow the chemical reaction to start, I wait three minutes to pass while the invisible CLO2 is being expelled almost immediately, while I wait for the solution to turn yellow. I then I completely stop the chemical reaction by diluting the 2 drops in 2 to 4 ounces of water.

Then I drink the now diluted, virtually stopped chemical reaction, to then drink the solution to further dilute it with another 5 ounces of gastric juices. Do you see why mathematically the efficacy is not better doing the chemical reaction outside the stomach.

Now the second part of the debate the rate of reaction, yes it is true the outside reaction will produce CLO2 faster but only while in that state pure MMS to Citric Acid, once you add the 2 to 4 ounces of water guess what happens, you rate of reaction virtually stops.
Its like putting water on a fire, all you get is smoke no more fire.

It is better to put the MMS in a gel cap and let go into the stomach, and all the entire reaction happen with HCL gastric juices, all the gas will be produced in the body where it should be produce to get maximum efficacy. I will trade off 3 minutes for 20 minutes any day of the week for perfection.

That's assuming you can determine in advance how much Hcl you have in your stomach. As we age, it has been shown, Hcl levels go down.

This process may work for you, Lopez, but it is not going to work for everyone.

You brought up a good point of the chlorus acid, I also been thinking about its effects in the process.

I will consider this and try to return a educated reply.

I am not knocking what exists, it does work, and I am sure Jim tried alot of tinkering to get the current reciepe.
I am just taking the tinkering and procedures to another level.

I base my foundation in the best chemical reaction for humans 5 NaClO2 + 4 HCl → 5 NaCl + 4 ClO2 + 2 H2O

Chlorus Acid aside, it is a hard for many people to carry MMS and Citric Acid all day in the car, here in Florida with the temperatures here makes it impossible to leave it in the car.
Then the hassle of mixing the drops while you are at work or if you live a active life style.

Just looking to make MMS more USER FRIENDLY.

Has to the question on aging and production of HCL reducing, that is a easy fix just take some HCL supplements before downing the MMS GEL CAP.

I am going to be controversial here and say that for the 18 months I have been taking MMS for various reasons as well as distributing it to rural folk here in South Africa that have serious pathogenic toxification due to poor nutrition - personally I also believe in activated version of MMS. But - I have always suffered some form of herx with activated MMS.

Then CDS came about - and I resisted due to the complicated process, until 'srb' posted his suggested Hypodermic method and 'ClO2' offered her "shot glass" upgrade. I tied this with my faithful preserve jar and hey presto! No more herx!

So I am a very happy camper along with my family and pets who all now make use of CDS and I will swear by it as it is quick and simple (I even produced a small ebook for my process for distribution) and so far (3 months now) my family and I will never look back.

Your logic and presentation is interesting Lopez - but I don't see the reason to go against a well measured dose of CDS which can be proven in the glass to its strength in ppm and does the job really well.

Maybe others can also comment on their personal preferences here, as it can actually produce a good foundation for future experience.

Also the Chemists who read here may be able to add their opinion and experience to make the pure MMS directly to the stomach option more clear?

Good thread!

Steve, I know you use Hcl for making CDS - what do you think about using it for making MMS? As the activator?

This is from Dr Ron written last year on the forum titled MMS Balanced Chemical Reaction with Citric Acid

This explains the exact chemical reaction of MMS with Citric and MMS with HCI

We get 2 reactions, one of which is more stable than the other.

The most stable balanced reactions is

15 NaClO2 + 4 C6H8O7 = 12 ClO2 + 4 C6H5Na3O7 + 3 NaCl + 6 H2O

sodium chlorite plus citric acid produce chlorine dioxide plus sodium citrate plus salt plus water

Another balanced reaction but more unstable is

3 NaClO2 + C6H8O7 = 3 HClO2 + C6H5Na3O7

mms plus citric equals chlorous acid plus sodium citrate

Chlorous Acid is chlorine dioxide with a Hydrogen atom attached.

Another balanced reaction to activate mms is with HCl

5 NaClO2 + 4 HCl = 4 ClO2 + 5 NaCl + 2 H2O

mms plus HCl equals chlorine dioxide plus salt plus water

Now because the predominate reaction of MMS with Citric will produce CLO2 and sodium citrate

Lets see if there is any Oxidation value of sodium citrate after all plenty is produced in the reaction.
sodium citrate is to general what is produced will be its salts. Aside of there primary use as food stabilzers
let see if there is any other human healing benefit.

Monosodium citrate It is used to prevent platelet clumping in blood samples. No benefit
Disodium citrate Disodium citrate may be used in patients to alleviate discomfort from urinary tract infections. Does have benefit
Trisodium citrate The compound is the product of antacids, such as Alka-Seltzer, when they are dissolved in water. Does have benefit

The last salt is main one produced in the reaction and does buffer the PH in stomach.

So there is secondary benefits from the main reaction. enhance oxidation and buffering.

Has for the unstable reaction how much is produced depends on if you are using less citric acid than MMS, which is not the case.
But even it where to produce Chlorous Acid, it is not the main healer.

I will like to say the only product that can be coined the Miracle is CLO2 chlorine dioxide, this the main product we all need.

I feel there is some romance here with the Citric Acid, still trying to figure out why the friction to progress.

No how safe and cheap is to make reagent grade HCI it is absurdly easy and safe. For those who want to use HCI to make
pure CLO2 with not a chance of making any other byproduct, chlorine free.
Please look at this video for a head start. How to Make HCL home


Now hey you can forget about the lab stuff and simply put MMS in a gel cap and drink it with HCL supplement instant LAB work done in your stomach.

I currently working on the exact mathematics, but for those older and not producing enough HCL which you can have a test to see if that is really your case, whether you take MMS or not you need HCL supplements period.

We must stay true to the faith, no matter how you look at,, no matter what chemical reaction you do, at the end the only real true
miracle is CLO2, any thing else is extra, even the vegetables you eat, all is extra, what we need is CLO2.

So lets start thinking in a USER FRIENDLY FORMULA instead of lugging around two bottle all over the place, you ever try to lug these two bottle in the car with the FLorida sun beating down on you. Not good, I mean I take my MMS and Citric Acid with me in a small cooler to work.

The is nothing wrong of doing the HCL reaction actually is the purest form to get the Miracle. The issue is the romance I see with the whole process of activation and seeing the pretty amber color we just can't get pass that.

In reality if we really wanted to take it to perfection, the oral intake is not the best way, injecting your self with CDS is, straight into the blood stream and instant gratification.

But for those we can't stand needles, I will work on the math for the gel cap MMS version.

I was going to post the video on the home method to purify HCl but you beat me to it. I've been using HCl for some time now as an activator with MMS and I don't think I'm going to go back based on how it tastes and feels in contrast to CA. For example; less nausea and less of the sour taste when drank with water. On another note, I wasn't aware that there was a Food Grade and Technical Grade HCl and so I'm glad I found this video. The only issue I have with this method is were there is no easy way to know measure the strength of the final solution(reagent).

Ummm, Lopez, Dr. Ron is not exactly considered in good light.

Sorry did not know that PAM, you can be wrong but you must be a always a good light.
But the Chemical Reaction he posted does have some merit.