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The HCl can be used to make CDS ONLY outside the body process, it is not intended to be drunk at any time.
HCL is not intended to be a substitute for Citric Acid, in the Drink Oral Method.

If you going to drink MMS for now you need to use Citric Acid. To make CDS on the other hand you will get purer faster reaction with HCL.

Again I purpose that you can just drink MMS in a Gel Cap, and allow the gastric juices, with a little HCI booster supplement , it will do a better job.
We are still debating and working on the math.

I will post new math soon, again you stomach has 10,000 to a 1 millions cells that Produce Pure HCI 3 to 4 times a day, you can boost this natural
chemical factory, by eating black pepper, or drink a HCL booster.

There is no need for activator, in this proposal, just a few drops of MMS and your gastric juices.

I repeat if your stomach can take care of 8 ounce Steak, 12 oz glass of coke, One mash potatoes with sour cream, and a bowl of clam chowder in 2 hours.

Imagine what it does to one gel cap of MMS on a empty stomach.

There is no need for any activator other than you stomach and a little HCL booster. I will work out the scientific math, but common sense dictates that 3 to 15 drops of MMS is nothing to what is happening when you eat food at meal time.

You know that MMS is converting because has any one notice that when you do MMS during eating you chances of diarrhea increases. You ever asked yourself why ?
The reason is food needs all the good bacteria in you stomach to digest food properly, because MMS does not discriminate between good or bad, you get a little of the run.

The best oral user friendly way to take MMS is Gel Cap, with HCL booster supplement and allow the natural process to happen 100% internal reaction and Purer Efficacy .

The math needs to be worked out and the physiological romance with citric acid needs to be broken, but hopefully science will win over emotion.

Tell you what. You go talk with Jim Humble about it, and get back with us <G>. Jim has been working with this for a long time - and I trust him and his findings very much. You're basically saying JH is wrong - but you came in here with your theories even before you had tried MMS. You're basically recreating what Jim did in the jungle 15 years ago, and Jim moved to other things that he found more efficacious at healing.

Dear Pam,

The contrary, I think Jim is a great human being that found a solution that works and I do now take MMS every day now.

I take MMS with the activator Citric Acid currently, but I am not stupid and I know that evolution will happen to the current process.

I have read all of Jim's books and no where does he discount gastric juices. I will stop creating a revolution until I speak to a few chemist friends of mine. I will get the exact math for MMS with Gastric juices.

I am not saying Jim is wrong, opposite Jim is right ! All you have to see is all the people that he has helped.

But just like there was one evolution or do I dare say revolution with CDS, you will see another with Citric Acid.

I hope all can admit the need for a more USER FRIENDLY alternative to what exists now.

I have taken a lot of bashing for proposing a new view to an old subject but it is all for making things better or keeping the same.

Until now there has not been one true Chemical Engineer on the forum to prove me right or wrong, I admit that we have a paradox.

I have read this thread with interest and have found some of it very enlightening and a lot of it confusing, very confusing.

I am someone struggling to find something that might turn my life around and have checked out Jim’s books and many other articles on MMS. I am looking to Jim and those on this great Forum for guidance and help in the direction I go with MMS. I have friends who have had it turn their lives right around and they now have a much better quality of life than what they could have dreamed of.

Lopez, reading your most recent post there is a comment, “I have taken a lot of bashing”, no I don’t think that there was much bashing at all. This Forum is not the place to start changing things that are working, from where it was set up to assist those to help us understand how MMS can help them. I think that this is the wrong place to attempt to come up with a big change in something that has helped and is still helping many people with their struggles.

The CDS Protocol was tried and tested a lot before mention was made on the this Forum and the outside world. CDS is still a bit in the development stage with many testing it and feeling their way, thank you Andreas.

Andreas went to Jim with his research and sought Jim’s approval long before that he mention was made on this Forum. He knew what it could do with it and could make it work before a mention on this Forum. Check out the dollars saved by dairy farmers who use it. Big dollars saved. As well, Jim was kept up to date on the progress.

Also, check out what Kerry Rivera has done with MMS in autism and again she made sure that Jim knew what she was doing at all times. This perhaps, has lead Jim to review some of his thinking to where we are now much better off. These people convinced Jim with how MMS works better and in so doing, Jim has then backed them.

Jim has put a huge amount on the line, even his life, for people like me. Please don’t try and change Jim’s ways and the way this Forum is working for people, like me. We are without much knowledge on how MMS works and what to expect from it. People who are close to death or do not have much of a quality of life need this type of a Forum. These people are looking for something and for guidance, with this Forum, to change their lives for something much better. Yes, you are trying to come up with something, a thought, that might make it easier to take, thank you. However, until Jim is satisfied with it and it has been proven could a different forum or some other place for research be used to work on it please.

I am not trying to bash you with this post. This Forum is not the place to come up with an idea with a new approach to something that might work very well until more research has been completed.

The current methods of using MMS are tried and tested, with many very good results. Can we keep it this way, please?

Thank you for your consideration.

Lopez wrote:

Again I purpose that you can just drink MMS in a Gel Cap, and allow the gastric juices, with a little HCI booster supplement , it will do a better job.
We are still debating and working on the math.

I will post new math soon, again you stomach has 10,000 to a 1 millions cells that Produce Pure HCI 3 to 4 times a day, you can boost this natural
chemical factory, by eating black pepper, or drink a HCL booster.

There is no need for activator, in this proposal, just a few drops of MMS and your gastric juices.

I haven't tried this myself but, I do have a personal friend who has done a great deal of experimenting with MMS and here's what he had to say on the matter.

A few years ago, I conducted some personal trials using inactivated MMS to treat a persistent infection. What I found was this; When taking activated MMS in capsule form, I would always burp and taste Chlorine Dioxide shortly after ingestion. However, when I tried inactivated Sodium Chlorite at these same concentrations, I would not experience the burp or taste of chlorine dioxide following ingestion. Additionally, I measured no benefits using inactivated MMS toward my infection in contrast to activated MMS. Therefore I concluded that inactivated MMS was not an effective means of introducing Chlorine Dioxide into the body.

I thought this might prove helpful given that anyone can try this simple experiment themselves.

There was a second topic of concern associated with inactivated Sodium Chlorite with regards to the kidneys. But I don't quite remember the details and so I won't try and quote the information in any meaningful way. The gist of it however, was that inactivated Sodium Chlorite ends-up being filtered through the kidneys whereas activated MMS does not do this, or at the very least, doesn't end-up leaving as much raw product in the body for the kidneys to filter out. - more or less.

PS. To my knowledge there are no adverse reactions to using HCl with MMS. However, I would recommend that whoever chooses to go this route look into the food grade HCl rather than the technical one. Or.. at the very least, take the steps necessary to purify it before use. From my own experience, HCl is superior to CA in several ways and so I prefer using myself it for those reasons.

Hi, Tully - are you home from Africa? If so, welcome back! Thank you for your very cogent comment.

Lopez, if you wish to be part of the "evolution" you would be wise (i.e., not stupid) to consider Andreas' and Kerri's methods of working within the system.

A chemical engineer and lots of formulas will not answer, unfortunately - only experience will do so. Experience always trumps theory, because of the confounding variables.

You may prefer to use yourself as a "guinea pig" and do the unactivated MMS in a capsule - 3 drops an hour, 8 hours a day, for 21 days - keeping careful note of any symptoms and how they change (or not - ) over the course of your 21 days. Then report back to us your findings.

I like Tully response because it is a Human one, and not of chemical or mathematical in nature.


It allows me to contemplate that there is an important part to this forum, people seeking guidance

with serious illness. I have forgotten that this forum goes beyond the science part of it, there is a human

side seeking confidence, stability and experience.


I have chosen the wrong forum to discuss new technology, or old technology or possible new methods.

The Pardox will stay in the dark, but Pandora's Box will be open sooner than later.


I will for the last time say Jim's MMS methods where not in play in this thread, it was the discussion of MMS and Gastric Jiuces and the

importance of a empty stomach.

Anyone reading this thread should simply consider this as casual reading and please continue to take MMS and Citric Acid the method that is proven to work.

Anything I have discussed in this topic is just food for development.

Lopez,

You might consider that it was you approach, and (slight) lack of tack when approaching the subject of taking an already working formula (and in so many words) implying it's somewhat wrong.

It'd be a little like going to an Apple office, and telling Steve Jobs that his iPod should run a different way.

Much more communication is needed when it comes to emails and texts, etc... and more tact and self-explanation is required to remain humbly intact when your the new guy on the block telling people that have taken MMS for years, how to do things differently.

I mean.... in my opinion...

Hello fellow MMS-ers,

I have been reading this thread and I was wondering who and how would one sought approval when Jim Humble dies. I don't mean to be morbid or wish anything bad to him or anyone else BUT no one lives forever AND the MMS movement must go on.


Crick and Watson were the two co-discoverers of the structure of DNA in 1953. Would they have discovered this without the work, research and findings of Rosalind Franklin? Did their discovery take away or add to Franklin's original findings?

Scientists and non-scientist discover things only for another scientist and/or non scientist to make further advancement of the original discovery and sometimes make it better. The operative word being 'sometimes'. In my opinion, thats just how science work.

As we all know Jim Humble discovered MMS and there have been others who have made further discoveries based on his original discovery. Some have made further advancement and sought approval such as Andreas and Kerri. There are others who have tweaked Jim Humbles discovery but I am not sure they have sought and/or gained approval from Jim Humble; for that reason, I will not mention their names/website though one of the administrator believes in the work they do/have done, and I won't mentioned their (the said administrator ) name either.

Things are discovered all the time and it is the catalyst that initiates the Ah-ha moment, the missing link and final piece of the puzzle for other scientists to continue to do what they do.

I am not here to take sides with or disapprove of Lopez AND maybe he came across as trying to change the ways of MMS-ers in their application and use of MMS in the opinions of others (though I am not saying he did or didn't). If approval is needed by Jim, who will regulate this? If approval is not sought and given, who are the MMS Police to make sure that everyone follows the proper protocol?


I like to think (and hope) that there are great scientific thinkers who have and will discover MMS and take it to another level. Great scientific thinkers who know more than us MMS-ers (new and old) and dare I say Jim Humble, and make further advancement and improvements. Again, in my opinion, that's how science works.