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It would not surprise me to find that these issues are being worked on now, Delite - just that we are not privy to the process, nor should we be, I think. But, for the moment, JH is still alive, well and kicking, and he will be making the decision, I'm sure.

Yes, he is alive and kicking. However, this is a world of 7 billion people. I am sure some of those 7 billion are doing their own thing with MMS.

Once something has being discovered and introduced to the world, it can not be contained unless there is some sort of legal protection such as a patent.

I don't think it is realistic to think people will be asking Jim for his approval. It just aint gonna happen, not in the real world. Some may argue that it is disrespectful and unethical BUT really what can anyone do about it or stop it.

JH has given MMS to the world, what people do with it is now is out of his hands, that is the stone cold reality.

In theory, Jim may not 'approve' what others have done with MMS only later to find that it was a significant advancement/development.

What is more important, is that people start believing that there are other alternatives to "Harmaceutical' drugs and take healing into their own hands.

I welcome any scientific thinkers to run with MMS especially if they are for MMS. Lopez and many others may be apart of the MMS evolution weather he or they are apart of and working within (or out) the said mentioned system.

That's fine, as long as they don't call it MMS, when it's not being utilized as he has given it. They can call it anything they want. It's utilizing sodium chlorite - they can call it SC1, or magical mojo juice if they want <G>.

If they want to be a part of the MMS work, then they should work within the paradigm of MMS. Once you "turn it loose to the world to run with it and change it as they will" you diffuse the work and we can no longer trust the data about outcomes. Which is exactly what the pharmaceutical industry would like to have happen.

Is there a patent on MMS? If not, people will/may tweak it and call it MMS or another name.

I remember someone calling 'their version' of MMS or a protocol used by them another name and some people on the forum still had a problem with it.

The bottom line is, JH, this forum or its administrators CANNOT control what is clearly out in this world or what people chose to do it with OR call it. If there is no patent, you don't have a legal leg to stand on AND you don't have resources to police MMS.

My question is, how can you stop people doing what they like with MMS, whether they are here, there or wherever in this world?

The answer is, you cannot, no-one can.

I don't personally have an 'issue'. I am just making a point that not everyone will ask/gain approval from JH or this forum and some will simply do as they please with what is already out in the world; JH or this forum cannot control what people do or call what he has discovered and given to the world.

Anyone can be apart of the MMS evolution with or without the approval from JH or this forum whether they are working within the system or the paradigm or not.

I understand that you (JH and/or the administrators) control what is on this forum and rightly so. However, it is possible for others to establish their own website, movements and forum and do as they please with MMS.

Again, if approval is needed, who will regulate this?

That is my point and not my issue.

JMHO, but people are going to do what they please, regardless - if they want to establish their own websites, etc. And there will be gullible people who will follow them. There will be disinfo people out there (I can think of several, already), and just plain critics - there will be people looking for a cheap ride on someone else's coat tails - look at the people reselling watered down MMS from legitimate vendors... I seriously doubt they can be "stopped" - We have turned, unfortunately, into a culture where lying is considered appropriate in order to achieve our "goals" - which usually involve money.

All this exists now, Delite. None of the people that I am aware of have "advanced MMS" - they're not a part of the MMS revolution, regardless of what they call themselves, - in terms of the actual growth of it. Ultimately, though, the proof will be in the pudding. JH has over 10 years of work with this technology - and testimonials to show for it. When he has a theory or is offered a theory, he tests it out (frequently on himself!) before sharing it with the rest of us. When those people have years of work with testimonials, then they can have their own followers who want to work their protocols. One would hope that they would want to distance themselves from the MMS name by that time and have their work reflect upon them. But maybe they won't - who knows?

I've known people who have suggested "improvements" to JH that he has incorporated into the work. As an example, the MMS/capsule protocol - came from someone who just couldn't take the taste any longer. As I said earlier, Jim will choose a successor, when the time comes. The work will continue to grow under the auspices of the Genesis2 - And even if MMS or Miracle Mineral Supplement/Solution, Master Mineral Solution names are not trademarked, (can't be patented, which is why the medical arena is up in arms about it), my guess is that JH is not going to go hire lots of lawyers running down people using the names - that takes money that he would rather use sending people off to help indigenous populations with problems like AIDS, Chagas, and Malaria.

So, it will ultimately be up to the individuals seeking help to determine who they want to listen to, and go with that.

I myself have given serious thought to taking the MMS acronym off my labeling altogether. I understand the reasons a supplier or professional would do this. It doesn't bother me, and if Wil stopped visiting here because of something said, then I'm sorry I missed that, I would have certainly said something. I speak with lots of folks, and some people follow JH quite fervently.

I haven't seen anything Wil might have said that caused that kind of a ruckus - He pops in every so often and reads threads and gives a tidbit of information on a topic and then suggests people contact him for more (I assume as clients or for fee) - but I've never seen anyone contradict or have an issue with him.

Really?
Lopez drops in and tries to offer an alternative and he's become marginalized for his offering. Really? I thought this forum was about discussion and bringing to light what MMS is and can do, that ALL ideas and opinions were welcome. If not I am in the wrong place myself as I am like Lopez. I will tweak and question methods in hopes of making improvements. At no point is Lopez trying to take anything away from JH and his work. Why do so many feel he is a threat to MMS and JH?
I saw only one error on Lopez part and that was where he said MMS does not discriminate between bad or good in reference to the stomach bacteria. It is my understanding that MMS only effects the bad and leaves the good stomach flora intact.
It is also my opinion we need to welcome minds like Lopez into the discussion to achieve further success. This was a thread started by him and instead of his message being heard several have taken task to argue against him when all he was doing was trying to help.
Is that what this forum is about? Help or criticism?
In the same way the flat landers were threatened when they heard the world was round....
This thread reaction discourages others to broaden the MMS horizons.
As much respect I have for JH and all his contribution to health and well being, it is upon ALL of us to make strides and neither JH, Lopez, myself or anyone has inherent rights to any of it. Jim gave it to us all and as Delite suggests when Jim is gone who will we look to then for "approval"?
Jim didn't look for approval, he looked to make the world a better place.
Thats what its about.
I applaud your efforts to broaden perspectives Lopez.

You said it Steve, this is all about learning. I guess I just read this forum in a different inflection than others as I don't see Lopez arrogance but I do see posters suggest he just go with what we already know, stick to Jim's methodology and back away from further research, discussion and discovery aka learning.
I think the title of this thread and the original post one can see Lopez asks for anyone with the qualifications to either prove or disprove his suggestion of a POSSIBLE new way to take MMS.
He posts a scientific point of view however I missed the part where he wasn't taking MMS which is irrelevant in my mind as he has some qualifications and asks for better scientists than him to clarify.

I'm not suggesting we let any of Rumsy's crew spew propaganda but I am suggesting we let those who feel they have something relevant to offer, the freedom to express themselves w/o ramification as part of the learning process.

If we shut out those whose intent is to help, guide or make benevolent gestures we close ourselves off to potentials unseen.


70 was the "best" year....