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So, Sandy, your CDS has somewhere between 1000 and 2500ppm/L - I know the little testing strips are hard to read at that point, but was it more one way than another? You could try with a little more.

I wish that I had a 40oz jar to do the daily dose in. a quart jar is just not big enough. Although.... I guess I could make it with 7 cups of water, and then add an 8th when it was done.

OK, went in and tested this morning around 8am. The bottles had been "in the make" for 16 hours - 4pm yesterday to 8am this morning.

1. My control MMS, which had been in the fridge, 24 drops MMS, 24 drops CDS, 20 second activation, 1 quart distilled water. It tested at 25ppm, dipping the 1-500 test strip directly into the water. I made a fresh batch (just in case the 16 hours in the fridge had caused a lessening of ppms) and it still tested out to 25ppm. (note: because I'm using testing strips here, everything is +/-, but the colors were so close, they appeared the same. Something to hold in your mind - when you activate 24 drops of MMS/CA, not everything there is chlorine dioxide gas - there is still some citric acid not activated, and probably some of the remaining 20% of whatever is in the sodium Chlorite 80%.... so since I was measuring only the Chlorine dioxide, I got 25ppm. With the MMS, there is still some activation that goes on in the stomach - so ultimate ppms can be higher, but there's no way to test how high.)

2. My 1 quart (day's dose) CDS in distilled water, 24 drops MMS, 24 drops CDS in a shot glass, sitting in 1 quart of distilled water, which had been on the floor of the root cellar was a surprise. It tested at 100ppm - just sticking the testing strip into the quart of water - so it made a much stronger dose of CDS. Most of the MMS/CA had gone into the water and the residual in the shot glass was not quite clear, but very close.

3. I diluted the quart with an additional quart of water, and got it down to 50ppm. This makes a 2 day batch, and it will keep in the fridge for that long, no problem.

4. I then took 2 oz of the day's dose CDS and added it to 2 oz of distilled water (since I didn't have a gallon jar to dilute it to) and got it down to 25ppm. (again, everything is approx, closest color was 25ppm). Now, thinking about this, why did it happen? Well, remember in the video where jim blew the cds into the daily dose water, and remember how with 24 drops, he got 3 bottles, not one? I think at the end that he asked Mark about the desired ppm and Mark said 35 to 50. [This is my memory, will have to go back to review the tape].

5. My small pint jar, with the 60cc of mms and ca is currently testing at 1000 ppm, using the 1cc of the CDS and 9 cc of the distilled water to test. This was also a surprise - I thought it would be higher, but there was quite a bit of MMS/CA that had not turned into Chlorine Dioxide - IOW, the liquid in the shot glass was still quite yellow. This may be because it was sitting on the cold floor, and there was less water (4 oz) to buffer the cold???? Or because there was more to offgas? (1 vs 3cc) I don't know. I've placed the shot glass back in the pint jar and will let it continue to "work" and see what happens. I would love to let it continue to "work" until the shot glass contains clear fluid, and then test.

My thoughts - at this moment, the best bang for your buck would be the daily dose CDS, diluted to make 2 days worth of CDS (item number 3, leaving it at 50ppm, not doing the second dilution of 2oz of distilled water and 2 oz of CDS) - Remember, this had a 16 hour "make" - so it's going to be stronger than Sandy's, which was a much shorter "make" - (neither is right or wrong, just different outcomes)

Additional experiments might be
a. to shorten the make time to see what, say, 8 hours or 12 hours would do (this will not be the most efficient use of the MMS/CA, though) for item 2.
or b. to lower the number of drops to 12 activated at the longer time, for item 3 (this might just make a day's dose, not 2 day's)
or c. to make up a 4 oz with the 24 drops, over short or long times, and add water to take it to 32 oz for a days dose.
Or d. to make up a 4 oz with 12 drops, over short or long times, and add water to take it to a 32 oz daily dose.

I'm going to play with c. and d. using, once again, the 16 hour period. I'll start again this afternoon.

If anyone else wants to play along, please feel free.

Hi Pam,

Very good post and scientific approach!!

(Way off topic - but - beautiful counter top!!!! )

pam wrote:

Sungazer - thanks. You're testing 20 drops, then 40 drops, then 60 drops, according to various posts in the thread. So, I'm still a bit confused.

I will tell you what I did.

Around 4pm yesterday

My dropper bottles have the accudrop tip which holds 24 drops = 1mL (tested)

I made a regular day's dose of 1 quart with 24 activated drops of MMS, and put it in my fridge, tightly covered. I will test it for ppms today.

I took a half-gallon wide mouth jar (2 quarts) filled with 1 quart of distilled water, and 24 drops of MMS/CA in a shot glass, and set the shot glass into the jar with the water. It floated. I put a plastic lid on tight, and put it in my root cellar. Will check this morning, when I get off the computer, and will test for ppm's - the only confounding variable is that the floor of my root cellar is cold - (concrete). This is to check for making a daily 1 quart dose. I will compare the ppms with the regular day's dose above.

Setup for the 1/2 gallon

Clearer photo of setup

Placing the shotglass

Plastic wide mouth caps that work for all of the Ball wide mouth jars.

I took a wide mouth pint jar (2 cups) and put in 4 oz of distilled water. I tested 3mL of MMS/CA activated, and set the shot glass in it the jar. I put the plastic lid on tight, and it joined the half-gallon jar in the root cellar. Will check this morning for ppms' This is for making the stronger CDS, which you would then add to a quart for a daily dose. The advantage, of course, is that if the CDS is fine, you can adjust the amount of CDS in your dose to make various strengths of doses.

Set up for the pint jar - I use separate syringes for the MMS and for the CA so that they don't contaminate the storage fluids.

Does anyone want anything else tested? <G>

Exellent report Pam!

Thank you for all the careful detail and photos. This is looking like a great way for people to make CDS without special equipment or any chances of gassing themselves or having little gas explosions which can happen with other methods. It seems very safe and effective.

Thanks also to you sungazer for inventing this and reporting on it!

Everyone please do continue to test and report your results and we'll optimize this method.

Someone reported to me that Andreas Kalcker gave this CDS protocol for cancer: 10ml of 3000ppm CDS plus 100ml water 10-12 times a day taken every hour. When you use the dilution calculator (endmemo.com/bio/dilution.php) on this it is showing a 272 ppm drinking solution. So we might come up with a recipe that will yield about 300 ppm CDS and that would be good for a cancer protocol to take 110 ml of it each hour.

Thanks to everyone working on this new method and reporting on it!

Michael

Thanks, I did the countertop myself... used floor tiles from Home Depot - green onyx. Scratches easily, and citric acid will etch it in a heartbeat.

And to sort of take this back on topic (since it's making and using it) - if you have a stone counter, you need to be very careful with the citric acid. I try not to even put my HDPE bottle on the counter, just in case there's some citric acid lurking somewhere on the bottle.

OK, this afternoon, after 24 hrs, I pulled pint jar with 4 oz of water and 60ccs each of the mms and ca out and tested it. There was still quite a bit that had not activated in the shot glass and the water tested to 1000ppm/L - This surprised me because I expected after 26 hrs for all the mms/CA to be activated.

Then at 6pm, I made up 2 of the pint jars with 4 oz of water, one with 8 drops mms activated in the shot glass and another with 12 drops mms activated in the shot glass. We will see what that does in the AM. I would like to get the to the point where I can use a pint jar to make the CDS and just add extra water to get to a quart, making it the night before and having it ready for the AM. We shall see.

I think that this could be a problem with saturation.

Water could hold (get saturated) only certain amount of CD, which is also further diminished by the fact that there's also so much available space (air) in which CD could also be. This is a problem with keeping CDS, if CD has air to evaporate from water, it just goes there (evaporates).

But, making daily doses is certainly easy way to make CDS. It's not that hard, you can make it each day for the other day and use it all up. So the loss of CD is minimal.

I would agree with you, but since I've seen supersaturated CD in water (I've personally done 12,500 ppm and JH has done, I think, twice that), I'm not so sure. I'm leaning toward it being a function of the temps. My root cellar is rarely above 50 degrees - (which is why I did it there) - I have some working in a cupboard in the kitchen (where it gets into the 60's) - Will know more this morning. And I could be totally wrong,

Pam

OK, both the pint jars with 4 oz of water, one with 8 drops activated and one with 12 drops activated totaled 250ppm after 14.5 hrs. (Had to make a trip into town to purchase more distilled water at WalMart) So those two tests I consider a fail.

The quart jar, which had 2 cups of water, and 12 drops activated, and was kept in the cupboard, after I added an additional 2 cups of water to make 1 quart (a day's dose) measured 50ppm/L,, which is an acceptable dose for the day.

So, to make 1 day's dose:
Use a quart glass jar, marked off into 8ths, with a plastic top. (Old mayo jar, pickle jar, or a ball canning jar, whatever) -
pour in 2 cups of distilled water
set aside
In a shot glass, put 12 drops of 50% citric acid and 12 drops of MMS - swirl once or twice to mix the drops,
Place the shot glass into the quart glass jar so that it floats
Put the lid on snugly
Place in a cupboard

After 14 hours (maybe only 12 would do, just didn't test 12) -
Remove quart jar from cupboard
remove shot glass from jar, without spilling contents into the liquid
Add 2 more cups of distilled water to quart jar, making 32 oz
Drink at 4 oz per hour, for 8 hours.
Store in a cool environment (padded lunchbox with ice keeper)

If you are quite toxic, since this is at the upper range of the PPMs, I would make this change for the first 2 days. After stirring the quart jar with 32 oz of liquid in it, using a plastic or wooden spoon, I would take another quart jar and pour half the 32 oz liquid into it, and fill each jar back up with distilled water again. Use one jar of this extra diluted mixture each day for the first 2 days, then go to a one jar (not extra diluted) from that point on.

Remember, CDS smells very strong, but it does not taste strong like it smells.


There are some thoughts I had - still not sure about why the 4oz failed. Maybe it needed more water (the saturation issue that Alan mentioned), maybe it was the temp - and another thought that came to me was that maybe the CD is actually heavier than the gasses in water, and since I didn't stir the 4oz mixtures up before I extracted the mL to test with, maybe they were stronger than I thought. However, the color was still relatively light, and looked consistent all the way through the 4oz.