PLEASURE TO BE A MEMBER ON THIS FORUM- REQUEST FOR HELP TO PROMOTE MMS

Thank you Michael, all I have always wanted to do is help Jim Humble by promoting MMS in Tanzania and helping my people, curing the sick and proving te skeptics wrong, it would be an honour to serve with the Genesis Church, a dream come true, yesterday I already booked my air ticket before getting your latest message on the forum, was no electrical power here the whole day came back tired went online read your message.

Have to pay the air ticket by the 21st March, Dar es Salaam, via Amsterdam and New York to Santo Domingo.

I consulted my kids the most important angels to me, my kids are adorable, they support me unconditionally, full trust with whatever I do, had a good nights sleep hoping I would dream something to help me make a decision, but I think I have already made up my mind, this whole month things have been happening which I am sure are not coincidental, I am even trying to protect others giving alternative medicine out there without them even knowing, they are in danger and I am educating the press in the country how they should do a bit more research, pointing them to websites where they can educate themselves before they write articales putting miracle healers down etc.....

So I am all for setting up a subdivision for the Church of Genesis in TZ, let me know on how we proceed, I am going to the US Embassy to check on formalities as the flight is through JFK, I hold German nationality just want to make sure everyting will run smoothly through transit, of course I still have to raise money for flight ticket and all other expenses foreseen to attend the seminar.

Will check here with banks about account opening for a church and I await for further guidance on how we should proceed.

Thanking you well in advance,

Sincerely,

David

Awesome Brother David, let us proceed! I think you are right, this is bigger than you or I. Seems like the most we can do is fulfill a role or path that is given to us.

Your heart is in the right place and that is the most important thing, just wanting to do what is right and help the poor and afflicted. That is what Jim is doing.

Setting up a subdivision of the Church of Genesis is definitely the way to go. When you are helping people and making them well, solely for a donation, I think they will be flocking to you regardless of the name. The scoffers and mockers will be put to shame with the good that you are doing.

The Genesis II Articles will be the Articles for your church. Let me spend some time researching on the net to find out what I can about making it legal in your situation. Probably all that is needed is to publish the Articles in the legal notices section of a newspaper that qualifies for doing that there. Also probably recording them at your government offices (called the County Recorder here) that record real estate transactions and other legal formalities. These things would be sufficient here in order to create a church.

If you can then get a ceremonial laying on of hands by Jim when you see him in order to accomplish Apostolic Succession, then you have added a VERY STRONG religious and legal formality for proving you are a religious organization protected by your Constitution. Jim knew how important this was, and I am sure that is why he did it.

The government in the US then wants to trick you into filing papers for a nonprofit corporation and filing for 501(c) tax exempt status with the federal tax authorities. These are mistakes and unnecessary; they are only voluntary not mandatory. The Catholic Church does not do these things. You are tax exempt the minute you create a church, and this is backed up by legal precedent. It will be that way in your country too because you have Common Law. We only need to do whatever the Catholic Church (if it is there) or other powerful church has done in your country to obtain legal validity.

Bruce can contact Jim privately. Now that you are firmly behind proceeding as a division of the Genesis II Church, it would be a good time to contact Jim for any instructions from him.

I am so glad this is your decision David. I feel very strongly this is what needed to happen. Your children sound wonderful. I am remembering all of you in prayer. May you and your country be the David that slays the evil Goliaths.

Your brother in doing good deeds,

Michael

Hi Michael thanks for all of this info and getting me this far, have attached bankers requirements to open an account for a church in TZ.....

Will certainly be contacting Bruce and onwards to Jim, thanks a million for everything so far....




Best regards,

D......

David,

Good job sending in the scan, helps a lot to have that. I know how to generate all the documents they are requesting, this is what you run into with business entities also. My dad and brother had a home building business a few years back when the real estate industry here was doing better. I helped them set up and operate numerous business entities for that operation, so it is familiar territory for me.

I have a few questions if you could answer please.

1. Do you know what a Certificate of Registration is, referred to in #1?
2. Do you know what a Company Organogram is, referred to in #3?
3. Just want to verify, these requirements are typical for a business entity bank account, and did they tell you these are the requirements for a church (ie, religious organization) also?
4. Is Zanzibar a state or province?
5. Is Dar es Salaam where you are located a city?
6. Where are real estate title transfers recorded locally for your area?
7. What is the name of the chief taxing authority (especially for income taxes) in TZ?

In the US we have county, state and federal government levels of legal jurisdiction/authority that come into play, so I need to figure out how things are set up there. Your answers will speed things up for me in that regard.

Numbers 5-7 of their requirements you will not be able to provide because those only apply to an established business, but you are just starting out. From our dealings with banks, it all depends on how important your business is to them. They are very lenient when you've got serious money running through your accounts. If we are not able to get them to open an account based on these requirements, then we may be able to meet their requirements for a trust account. See if they have a document giving the requirements for a trust account where you are the Trustee for a trust.

If their requirements for a trust account are too much to meet at this time, then you can simply set up a separate personal account, and so long as only church business is transacted through it, it will stand up in court if necessary. As long as you treat the church business as completely separate from your personal or other company business, then it will be sufficient if challenged. The Common Law realizes that all you can do is be as diligent as possible and you have to start somewhere. If you are so small getting started that no bank wants to deal with you, then you just have to make do with a personal account that is treated strictly as a church account.

Again, good work David!

Michael

Michael, thanks for your kind email.

I have an private account at the Barclays and so I went and saw the customer care desk, Amina the officer there actually had no idea about details regarding opening an account for a church, she had to go and consult and they keep me 20 odd minutes as I think they had no idea probably what is required for a churches account, had to call their headquarters I am sure and consult eventough I was in their flagship main branch in town, actually I was at their headquarters last week with other business and have the card of their head of products manager with me a Mr. Ray Kaijage, could call him tomorrow and double check, but it seems even for a charity like a church it is more or less a standard business account which also covers NGO's etc.....

I am sure they do not have any other seperate details for a church, it would fall under a constitution.

1.Do you know what a Certificate of Registration is, referred to in #1?

This would be your Company's Certificate of Incorporation or in our case the Churches Certificate of Incorporation.

2.Do you know what a Company Organogram is, referred to in #3?

Just Googled it:0) - Its a simple organizational chart of managers- Wikipedia - An organizational chart (often called organization chart, org chart, organigram(me), or organogram(me)) is a diagram that shows the structure of an organization and the relationships and relative ranks of its parts and positions/jobs. The term is also used for similar diagrams, for example ones showing the different elements of a field of knowledge or a group of languages. The French Encyclopédie had one of the first organizational charts of knowledge in general.


3.Just want to verify, these requirements are typical for a business entity bank account, and did they tell you these are the requirements for a church (ie, religious organization) also?

Yes as mentioned they are using the same criteria for a charity or church, as a basic business account as you can see.

4.Is Zanzibar a state or province?

Zanzibar is not a province, it is a state within a state- As a semi-autonomous part of Tanzania, Zanzibar has its own government, known as the Revolutionary Government of Zanzibar. It is made up of the Revolutionary Council and House of Representatives.

Wikipedia- The relationship between Zanzibar government and Tanzanian Mainland has not been so well in recent years since Tanzania Prime Minister Mizengo Pinda's remark about the Isles' sovereignty that Zanzibar is not an independent country outside the Union Government, within which it can only exercise its sovereignty.[12] Members from both the ruling party, Chama Cha Mapinduzi (CCM), and the opposition Civic United Front (CUF) disagreed with Mr Pinda's interpretation and stand firmly in recognizing Zanzibar as a fully autonomous and full state,[13] the move which is widely unrecognized by the formation of the Government of the United Republic of Tanzania which raises a backlash between Members of Parliament from the Tanzania mainland and Zanzibar.

They got issues to solve lets say, but in theory and practice for Zanzibar you are required to register newly any company- church you have registered on te mainland.

5. Is Dar es Salaam where you are located a city?

I am located in Dar es Salaam, was born here, it is the commercial capital of Tanzania mainland, but I also have a home on Zanzibar many people believe I am Zanzibarian, you could say I am part of the furniture there. Between Dar es Salaam and Zanzibar it is only a short 20 minute flight, 50 km seperates the island from the mainland, Stone Town is the capital of Zanzibar. On Tuesday I will be on Zanzibar just for te day, go in the morning and return in the evening.

6.Where are real estate title transfers recorded locally for your area?

Ministry of Lands- Department of Lands and Registration.


7.What is the name of the chief taxing authority (especially for income taxes) in TZ?

Tanzania Revenue Authority- TRA-

www.tra.go.tz/

Do not worry to much about tese details, I covering lawyers letter as in point 7 (ii) and as they already know me it is not as complicated as it seems, these formalities are normal whhat can take up to a year is getting the church registered, the regional commissioner himself has to sign any new business/constituation, can take up to a year or longer, but of course with a bit of chai as they call it to make the ink flow faster things can be speeded up, have a young friend already looking into this and e specializes on all paper works on Zanzibar it is faster get my lawyer to do it, even here I could use a lawyer if I am in a hurry but as usual everywhere officials speed things up if you got chai (tea, breakfast).

Point 2 has Trust Deed would this be a trust fund, do not worry I can get an account opened in no time if we have the church incorporated and registered, its a formality.

Currently the personal account with the Barclays I have was set up originally on Zanzibar with my Zanzibar resident details which is a $USD account, I was in the bank to ask about opening another account for use in TZ Shillings, all I need is to go to our local elected street leader and get a letter from him saying he knows me and that this is my address, they need pictures and ID and within a week a private account is opened, could also use my Zanzibarian address to open up further accounts in USD$ or in TZ Shillings under childrens names and run them for business sepeartely to getting an account in any form is not a problem, its the Certificate of Incorporation and Registration that takes time on the mainland, I have 2 registered companies, one on Zanzibar and a second on TZ mainland.

Do not even have a business account have been using my private account for all these years, I TZ private individuals have a right toearn up to $20,000.- USD before income tax by the way, just to let you know.

I would need the Articles of Association and all other supporting docs as soon as possible to get the ball running, opening a bank account is a small issue, theres over 20 different banks registered here and I am sure all will not be as strict as this, with Barclays as I already have an account with them, it makes it easier for them knowing me for over 5 years now, they just see my face in most branches and they do not even always check with their system, its a very small community in a way here.

Please do let me know what else needs clarifying, or needs following up and I can do it, using extraman power if need be, but done it all before and I got a small good time around me as outside help when ever I need it, people I grew up with and know from childhood.

Where there is a will there is a way.

Thanks.....

David, excellent info. Do you have a link for who does the Registration? You said it has to be done on the mainland and the regional commissioner has to sign off. Could use a link for this regional commissioner's office too probably? I need to look up what the requirements are for anyone who needs to sign off.

Since you have residence in Zanzibar AND TZ it sounds like the church could be registered in either place, right? Or perhaps both are needed if you want to have church activity in both locations? It should only be necessary to "File" the Articles in ONE location (eg, TZ)--that creates the church. Then if the church wants to carryout activities in another jurisdiction (eg, Zanzibar) then it may need to carry out some additional registration requirement for an existing entity expanding into a new jurisdiction. Let's do whichever is simplest unless you think it has to be done in one or the other.

The relationship between Zanzibar and TZ sounds like overlapping jurisdiction, similar to states here in the US. You have to comply with the requirements of both of them. From what you are saying though, we only need to get registration from TZ?

The Articles of Assocation are easy enough, do you have anyone else there who could be an officer or on the board. I'm willing to do it if we just need another name, but if you have people there let me know. I'll look at Jim's Articles and see how many names we need, possibly 2 or 3 if I remember. They have to be willing to sign off on resolutions and minutes of meetings for church business. Probably not necessary for everyone to be present together but have to be williing to sign off.

Thanks,
Michael

David, I just reviewed Jim's Articles. You will be the Bishop and President of the church. Then 3 other people are needed to be Trustees on the Board of Trustees. I am willing to be one if you want.

Other positions needed are vice president, secretary and treasurer. You could also fill some or all of these positions if necessary, but your bank may want to have at least one other person share these positions with you. I could probably be the secretary if you wish because the secretary keeps the minutes of meetings, and I could do that. We just use UWCs "Unanimous written consents" in place of face to face meetings. That is how we operated our business entities and never had any trouble.

I have a scanner so I can sign, scan and email docs wherever you need them. The banks and other agencies will want to see docs signed by the necessary parties, usually scanned images are good enough and can be followed up with originals through regular postal. There really won't be that many documents, most of it is just to get the bank account set up. Then we just document things with a resolution if the church makes some big decision, and we should have an annual meeting document, UWC again, just to maintain legal formalities so the church is respected in court.

Your friend,
Michael

Hi Michael ,thanks for your message, in charge of licenses in TZ is BRELA- www.brela-tz.org/ regrets the regional commissioner has no website:0)

Called the product manager at Barclays up this morning and he told me for churches to open accounts it is a community account that is the correct one, sorry lets ignore the last attachment here is the correct one:


Yes we would have to register on Zanzibar and on TZ mainland, Zanzibar would be faster I am presuming its smaller and probably a good idea, as I have over 20 acres of land there that could come into play to the churches advantage, already semi developed and could be operational in a very short time span, not only as a church base but as a tourist project with medical tourist, accommodation, MMS training and healing/health services of the Genesis 2 church in the middle of the country side will forward you a business plan I am working on involving, culture, entertainment, sport, shops with spas and swimming pool and spice plantations and now MMS- ha , ha I still have one or two surprises for all of you up my sleeve, also have empty plots in Dar that can be developed for Genesis Church, have assets here and there:0)

We should get registered both on Znz and in TZ to fullfill both places requirements, I will be meeting my mate doing the registrations on TZ on Monday and as I am on Znz on Tuesday will also see my lawyer there and get back to you, but I believe its going to be on both locations as each has its own requirements, Tanzania mainland companies are not recognized on Zanzibar.

Excellent idea for you to be on the Board as the companies secretary, Ms. Naseen Bokhari a trusted elderer friend of mine could be the Vice President she assists me in curing people of MMS, her friend was our first HIV/Aids patient we cured, she has already consented, still trying to reach another lady called Clara Mwaikitosi to be the treasurer, she also been cured of an illness with MMS and is the one that introduced me to the Deputy Minister of Health, both have excellent characters and reputations with contacts in government and private and can open many doors for us, myself just my name KIANGO is reputable in the health sector my dad Profession KIANGO used to be the head of the blood bank, anything to do with blood the whole history of blood in TZ is my old man and all these heads in health ministry and doctors are his students both on Zanzibar and in the mainland, so I thing we have a very good experience and qualified determined management team with skills to carry this thing forward as I have worked with all involved and have 200% confidence in you my friend to guide us with the whole concept with Jim Humbles blessings.

Yours Truly,

David

Hi Michael I am quickly going to post under alternative medicine a follow up about the Babu- (grandfather) in northern Tanzania who is curing people practically for free, he had a dream and claims is guided by an angel from God, whatever he dreams comes true, was shown which trees to use to cook a medicine that is curing on the spot people of hiv/aids, diabetes, cancer, blood pressure etc, it is rumored even the President of Tanzania has already been to see this old man, the Ministry of Health and Welfare just tried to close him down for not been licensed and his medication has not been tested will just upload here some pics and articles and news paper clippings, and do a full story about this unfolding miracle in Tanzania that has already shaken the government and is probably a great precedence for us to follow on with MMS as quickly as possible, the government tried to close him up, he swore never to stop treating the sick, they failed to shut him down, public outcry was great with debates on the street, told you I was too trying to protect him writing to the press with the opinion how stupid they and the government were instead of supporting a guy to carry on performing miracles they want to shut him down, they are supporting him now he is not qualified not does he hold any license, they have taken his brew away to test but he claims it only works if you believe in it and he has to administer it himself and withing his compound village.

The interesting legal point I found very interesting from the church was the argument they threw to the government was this.

For this medicine to work you need to have faith in it, you have to pray to what ever GOD you believe in before drinking it for it to work, does not matter what faith you believe in, how can you possible test scientifically a new medicine that only works with faith from your heart, so it is not possible for our FDA to pass a test and approve a medicine that does not come under the jurisdiction of normal medicine, besides how many other which doctors and traditional medicine man are there giving treatments in the country with out any testing on their roots and herbs etc.... As when the local medicine man hand in there herbal medicines the government only steals the patents from them anyway and they never get anything is what they claim.

Do you get the point being made here, check out the attached pics this is of biblical proportions I do not think the government can stop this old man, he got principals and the only person he fears is GOD saying he has been order by a divine power more powerful than any government, this whole story makes our follow up task with MMS even more the easier now...... and the legal aspect even in court in the US and other countries if medicine only works if you believe in it in the first place, its all in the head, how do you go about testing and approving it when you are testing it without the belief it works, it will never work, you the lawyer what do you think from the churches point of view, an extreme example would be Jesus never walked on water and it cannot be proved scientifically so stop the people believing it and going to church is the governments argument, check these pics out and tell me about it, its still unfolding down here that is why I told you all these events even me coming onto the forum now is no coincidence, there's a mightier divine power at play all over the world.....

Could this point not stand up in your western courts, looks like Goliath is already taking a beating in TZ as we correspond...................

David, this is in response to your post re REGISTRATION.

Excellent work on your part, thank you. BRELA stands for Business Registrations and Licensing Agency (BRELA). And here is what they say below on their "About Us" page, I added some highlights:

www.brela-tz.org/about.php
About us

INTRODUCTION: Profile and General Information
Market economy, is by and large a catalyst to sustainable economic development as it breeds and nutures competition in the markets for both goods and services. Competition in turn leads to product and systems innovations for better quality products and services in the market and also value for money, all for the benefit of consumers. Market economy unregulated and unfacilitated breeds chaos and social economic anarchy.
Regulation and facilitation therefore, are a necessary ingredient for a vibrant, sustainable and effective market economy. The two activities are responsible for the refereeing and provision of level field in which participants in the market economy compete.
In other words regulatory and facilitatory mechanisms in the market economy arena are responsible for the fair play of all players in the market.
In recognising this fundamental requirement, as our society gallops towards market economy, the government as part of its civil service reform has decided to establish Government Executive Agencies, among others is the Business Registrations and Licensing Agency (BRELA).

WHAT IS BRELA
BRELA is a Government Executive Agency established under the Government Executive Agencies Act No. 30 of 1997.
It was established on the 28th of October, 1999 by Government Notice No. 294 A published on the 8th October, 1999 and it was officially inaugurated on the 3rd December, 1999.

AIM, ROLE AND STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES

Aim
The aim of the Agency is to ensure that businesses operate in accordance with the laid down regulations and sound commercial principles.

Roles
The specific roles include the following:

* To administer companies and business names laws.
* To regulate business by administering business and industrial licensing laws.
* To administer intellectual property laws.
* To encourage and facilitate local and foreign business investment.
* To stimulate scientific and technological inventiveness and innovation and encourage technology transfer.
* To protect the development of creativity in artistic, literary works, and expression of folklore by protecting such work in conjunction with rights owners.

I also did some name searches. They have databases for company names and business names. Here are results for both:

Company name: church
Company Registration # Company Name Date Of Incorporation Type of Registration
36 CHURCH MISSIONARY TRUST ASSOCIATIATION LIMITED 12/12/2028 struck off
30187 TABATA CHURCH HEALTH SERVICES LTD 25/06/1996
32235 CHRISTS ABUNDANCE CHURCH LIMITED 01/07/1997
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business names: church
Business Name Registration # Business Name Date Of Registration Type of Registration
57437 ELCT/KARAGWE CHURCH BOOK SHOP 29/03/1984 sole proprietor
57676 AFRICAN INLAND CHURCH BOOKSHOP] 9/2/1984 sole proprietor
99144 TANZANIA MONONITE CHURCH DISPENSAR 27/08/1993 partnership
100267 TEMEKE CHURCH HEALTH SERVICES 24/11/1993 partnership
105052 MORAVIAN CHURCH KIGOGO DISPENSARY 25/01/1995 partnership
116688 UHURU MORAVIAN CHURCH WOMENT GROUP 2/4/1998 partnership
147268 MAGOMENI LUTHERAN CHURCH HOSTEL 18/06/2004
156921 TABATA SDA CHURCH WOMEN GROUP 30/01/2006 partnership
159276 AIRPORT CHURCH DISPENSARY 23/05/2006 partnership
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You will notice none of these appear to be strictly a church name. These are business/commercial operations associated with churches. I also highlighted above showing that BRELA handles only BUSINESS licensing. Churches, that are operating strictly as churches (ie no business/commercial/selling), are NOT businesses. Churches take in voluntary donations and use the money for religious purposes.

In the field of law, there is a fundamental legal difference between church activity and business activity. Businesses sell things, they exchange one thing for another thing (eg money), in a transaction. Churches do not transact business. They take in voluntary donations and they provide religious services.

I do not have the actual laws that give BRELA its jurisdiction before me, but based on what they say on their site and based on the names of entities they have in their databases, they do not register churches, that operate as real churches based on donations. If a church gets involved in a business by selling something, then they would fall under BRELA jurisdiction.

There are usually plenty of government agencies that regulate "commerce" but that means only businesses. They have no jurisdiction over churches. There may not be any government agency licensing churches.

And since you will not be selling the MMS, there should be no need to get it approved. If you have an agency like the FDA, then they only have jurisdiction over health products offered for sale to the public. They have no power over you if you are giving MMS away and only accepting purely voluntary donations. So no product approval is necessary.

Thank you also for your other post about the persecution of the Babu. That is something we definitely should learn all we can from. That shows us just what enemy we are up against. When you start using MMS on people, you will get lines of people just like he has. So we need to be ready for the enemy and lay the groundwork for those battles right now. Please do send me good pics of the newspaper articles to my personal email address michaelharrah@cox.net so I can print them and read them.

Thank you for all your work on this David, and thank you for letting me be a part of it.

Michael

PS: Earlier this morning I sent you a private email to your zanzibarmagic gmail account, just want to make sure you got it.