A possible new way to take MMS, the importance of an empty stomach.

Is there a patent on MMS? If not, people will/may tweak it and call it MMS or another name.

I remember someone calling 'their version' of MMS or a protocol used by them another name and some people on the forum still had a problem with it.

The bottom line is, JH, this forum or its administrators CANNOT control what is clearly out in this world or what people chose to do it with OR call it. If there is no patent, you don't have a legal leg to stand on AND you don't have resources to police MMS.

My question is, how can you stop people doing what they like with MMS, whether they are here, there or wherever in this world?

The answer is, you cannot, no-one can.

I don't personally have an 'issue'. I am just making a point that not everyone will ask/gain approval from JH or this forum and some will simply do as they please with what is already out in the world; JH or this forum cannot control what people do or call what he has discovered and given to the world.

Anyone can be apart of the MMS evolution with or without the approval from JH or this forum whether they are working within the system or the paradigm or not.

I understand that you (JH and/or the administrators) control what is on this forum and rightly so. However, it is possible for others to establish their own website, movements and forum and do as they please with MMS.

Again, if approval is needed, who will regulate this?

That is my point and not my issue.

JMHO, but people are going to do what they please, regardless - if they want to establish their own websites, etc. And there will be gullible people who will follow them. There will be disinfo people out there (I can think of several, already), and just plain critics - there will be people looking for a cheap ride on someone else's coat tails - look at the people reselling watered down MMS from legitimate vendors... I seriously doubt they can be "stopped" - We have turned, unfortunately, into a culture where lying is considered appropriate in order to achieve our "goals" - which usually involve money.

All this exists now, Delite. None of the people that I am aware of have "advanced MMS" - they're not a part of the MMS revolution, regardless of what they call themselves, - in terms of the actual growth of it. Ultimately, though, the proof will be in the pudding. JH has over 10 years of work with this technology - and testimonials to show for it. When he has a theory or is offered a theory, he tests it out (frequently on himself!) before sharing it with the rest of us. When those people have years of work with testimonials, then they can have their own followers who want to work their protocols. One would hope that they would want to distance themselves from the MMS name by that time and have their work reflect upon them. But maybe they won't - who knows?

I've known people who have suggested "improvements" to JH that he has incorporated into the work. As an example, the MMS/capsule protocol - came from someone who just couldn't take the taste any longer. As I said earlier, Jim will choose a successor, when the time comes. The work will continue to grow under the auspices of the Genesis2 - And even if MMS or Miracle Mineral Supplement/Solution, Master Mineral Solution names are not trademarked, (can't be patented, which is why the medical arena is up in arms about it), my guess is that JH is not going to go hire lots of lawyers running down people using the names - that takes money that he would rather use sending people off to help indigenous populations with problems like AIDS, Chagas, and Malaria.

So, it will ultimately be up to the individuals seeking help to determine who they want to listen to, and go with that.

I myself have given serious thought to taking the MMS acronym off my labeling altogether. I understand the reasons a supplier or professional would do this. It doesn't bother me, and if Wil stopped visiting here because of something said, then I'm sorry I missed that, I would have certainly said something. I speak with lots of folks, and some people follow JH quite fervently.

I haven't seen anything Wil might have said that caused that kind of a ruckus - He pops in every so often and reads threads and gives a tidbit of information on a topic and then suggests people contact him for more (I assume as clients or for fee) - but I've never seen anyone contradict or have an issue with him.

Really?
Lopez drops in and tries to offer an alternative and he's become marginalized for his offering. Really? I thought this forum was about discussion and bringing to light what MMS is and can do, that ALL ideas and opinions were welcome. If not I am in the wrong place myself as I am like Lopez. I will tweak and question methods in hopes of making improvements. At no point is Lopez trying to take anything away from JH and his work. Why do so many feel he is a threat to MMS and JH?
I saw only one error on Lopez part and that was where he said MMS does not discriminate between bad or good in reference to the stomach bacteria. It is my understanding that MMS only effects the bad and leaves the good stomach flora intact.
It is also my opinion we need to welcome minds like Lopez into the discussion to achieve further success. This was a thread started by him and instead of his message being heard several have taken task to argue against him when all he was doing was trying to help.
Is that what this forum is about? Help or criticism?
In the same way the flat landers were threatened when they heard the world was round....
This thread reaction discourages others to broaden the MMS horizons.
As much respect I have for JH and all his contribution to health and well being, it is upon ALL of us to make strides and neither JH, Lopez, myself or anyone has inherent rights to any of it. Jim gave it to us all and as Delite suggests when Jim is gone who will we look to then for "approval"?
Jim didn't look for approval, he looked to make the world a better place.
Thats what its about.
I applaud your efforts to broaden perspectives Lopez.

You said it Steve, this is all about learning. I guess I just read this forum in a different inflection than others as I don't see Lopez arrogance but I do see posters suggest he just go with what we already know, stick to Jim's methodology and back away from further research, discussion and discovery aka learning.
I think the title of this thread and the original post one can see Lopez asks for anyone with the qualifications to either prove or disprove his suggestion of a POSSIBLE new way to take MMS.
He posts a scientific point of view however I missed the part where he wasn't taking MMS which is irrelevant in my mind as he has some qualifications and asks for better scientists than him to clarify.

I'm not suggesting we let any of Rumsy's crew spew propaganda but I am suggesting we let those who feel they have something relevant to offer, the freedom to express themselves w/o ramification as part of the learning process.

If we shut out those whose intent is to help, guide or make benevolent gestures we close ourselves off to potentials unseen.


70 was the "best" year....

I thank everyone who as voiced their opinion on this thread, I like to say that Steve was hard on me but he was respectful and he was debating his point of view using science and math. Pam was respectful also although she came across like if I have some hidden agenda.

Yes I am the new neighbor next door you never met, and yes maybe I come across a little arrogant in the way I write, does this style of writing look Familiar, its JH style also . I guess my style of writing like Steve said is Technical in nature, my background in computer science and electronic engineering; I may come across rash at times.

I will not explain who I am what I have done in my life, don’t think this is a place for that, I would like to say I am just trying to help, voice my extensive background and offer support to MMS project. I do not expect what I say to come across pleasing because I do like to go against the grain, rebel at heart.

I do not have any hidden agenda, I have been researching Holistic medicine now for some time, and through that journey I came across MMS. I have read virtually every document out there, seen virtually every video out there and yes I now take and recommend MMS and speak to everyone about it.

Now getting back to this thread so far here is what I see. We got Pam and Steve stating something of what I have written, I would like to address each one.

Steve says, . “It's called Stabilized Oxygen, and has been around for decades.” Stabilized oxygen is alkaline, with a pH of 12.5. When it is ingested and contacts the acids in the stomach, the solution becomes highly unstable, breaking down immediately. Upon breakdown, the stabilized oxygen releases ions of chlorite, trace amounts of sodium and chlorine dioxide, and molecular oxygen into the plasma of the bloodstream.

Chemically speaking drinking raw MMS gives the same reaction with the stomach, but with a 22.4% or 28% solution it is much more potent than what we get from stabilized oxygen used for camping trips, So I think that MM, which is what I am talking about is not the same thing JM used in the Jungle that he had in his backpack on his first trip.

Pam thinks this of me, He pops in every so often and reads threads and gives a tidbit of information on a topic and then suggests people contact him for more (I assume as clients or for fee) .

There is not one mention to contact me on any of the three threads I posted, CLO2/MMS is safe and it is real just do a little research for yourself, Documenting Success Stories, and A possible new way to take MMS, the importance of an empty stomach. I did this to help the cause by validation MMS with clinical studies, by addressing the need of documentation, and by the need of simplify treatment even further.

I will not post anything else on MMS and Stomach Acid until I have exact math, I am trying to talk to real chemists to get exact reaction times, to prove right or wrong that you can also take MMS raw with a HCL booster and get better results. As I do have a life and still have not able to address this more, which I feel it is important.

One final interesting subject I let you ponder on notice that MMS2 is in capsules and you are letting the stomach take care of the chemical reaction, well if it works for Ca(ClO)2. Then it has to work for NACLO2 it the same family all your doing is changing Calcium for Sodium.

The math will come soon I promise, any help appreciated.

You're mind reading, Lopez. I did not state that about you, but about the person that was mentioned in the quoted post. The whole post was about a man named Wil - which should have been abundantly clear.

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This was my post :

of Steve's post:

I myself have given serious thought to taking the MMS acronym off my labeling altogether. I understand the reasons a supplier or professional would do this. It doesn't bother me, and if Wil stopped visiting here because of something said, then I'm sorry I missed that, I would have certainly said something. I speak with lots of folks, and some people follow JH quite fervently.

My response to Steve's post:
I haven't seen anything Wil might have said that caused that kind of a ruckus - He pops in every so often and reads threads and gives a tidbit of information on a topic and then suggests people contact him for more (I assume as clients or for fee) - but I've never seen anyone contradict or have an issue with him.
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Sorry Pam, read it wrong !

By the way I have experienced the energy people are talking about, I am taking MMS to cure something I have that hope does not turn to be serious kinda worries me, Let see what happens.

Let you know how it goes, I can say that taking the MMS with activator, I am up to 6 drops per dose without any advert effects, I in two weeks have not gotten any nausea at all. I gave to a friend with a cold and knock the cold immediately.

Thank-you Lopez for trying to further the quest for knowledge. Whether you other guys like it or not, you did come across harsh on him, and don't really give a good impression of the church. i arrived here expecting to find people hungry for knowledge to try and help other people, and in this thread thread the overwhelming impression is more like "don't question anything, this is the way we do it, and that's it."

what a shame.

This is my impression of this thread and some of the reactions to it. Criticise how I feel if you like, but it is just how I feel.