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I live next to a dairy farm in North Wales, UK. I have recently been talking to the farmer about MMS and he has agreed to using it on a very sick male calf. We have not administered any MMS as yet to calf. When I was learning how to make CDS from Andreas Kalcker he mentioned he started looking into MMS as a way of helping his friend with his 800 cows. Andreas said CDS (chlorine dioxide in a saline solution) could be injected directly into muscle as the cows stomachs didnt respond well to the MMS or CDS. The farmer is a friend of mine and I would very much like to help him as the antibiotics he has administered the calf have not worked. He told me the calf has at least three different viruses, he named them but I will have to repost what they are as I don't remember. Some other members here don't seem to be having too many problems administering oraly to cows but I take andreas's word for it and am after any information regarding intramuscular injections, the dose per kilo of body weight and how regularly to administer? I realise these are very specific questions but if anyone could even point me in the right direction I would be forever grateful as I don't think there is too much time left for the calf has Andreas posted his data from his work with cows?

Thank you so much for reading this

Damian

Here is a cut and paste from the animal thread. www.genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=showcat&catid=43&page=2&Itemid=66
This is from Michael Harrah.:

From my experience it seems you can take really high oral doses of CDS without problems. I am super sensitive and MMS1 & 2 will give me gut problems. I took 1 tsp (5ml) of 3000 ppm CDS every hr for 8-10 hrs/day for about 10 days and had no nausea or diarrhea. It helped greatly with my symptom which was lung congestion.

I have heard that when Andreas was using CDS on the cows, they were injecting to specific disease sites. The idea was to get it right to the problem area and that is what worked for them. In other words the intramuscular injections were not for treating a whole body infection, at least as they were doing it. I do not know if my info is correct, but the person I spoke with had spoken directly with Andreas.

I think CDS can be used for many things and via many methods so anything is worth trying. Paul I think you are right that we don't usually see anything stronger than 6000 ppm at room temp.

Please keep us posted major1, thanks,

Michael

I think that Andreas recently mentioned adding MMS1 (unactivated) to bring the PH up for CDS for injection.

www.genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=43&id=17833&Itemid=66

This is under horse with sarcoids. A fellow treats a cow with mastitis.


I have been giving my horses 15 ml of CDS 2 X's daily. It is 10,000 ppm and up. They are doing fine. They get it in their grain. You may have to give the calf his in a feeding syringe. At least I would go a smaller dose, orally until one can find out more about injection.

Thankyou Pam and Horsefeathers, very quick replies! I will look into the links you posted straight away.

Damian :

If you have MMS and are yet to produce CDS - get some MMS into him orally now. Jim Humble's rule of thumb is 1 drop per 25 lbs. I'm the fellow that saved a cow with mastitis, orally feeding CDS and then CDS / MMS, that Horsefeathers was referring to. I'm sure that Andreas is correct on the effective benefit of injected CDS - but we don't have all his experience posted yet (that I'm aware of). Until then ( or the willingness to just experiment) - I witnessed no problems of feeding oral MMS or CDS to cows.

Do a search for " neula " for my posts on the treatment of Neula - the cow saved from mastitis.

Good luck

Thanks fourfingerz, I have made CDS at around 6000ppm, however its in distilled water not saline solution so your advice to go ahead and give orally is much appreciated as I could not inject until I get the correct saline solution. Would you advise hourly CDS or just a few times a day, going by the one drop mms to 25 lbs weight amounts?

Ok, I started dosing the male calf orally this morning, I tried to stand him on his feet first to see how strong he was but he could not stand. He is very thin, weighs around 30kg and dehydrated, he cant keep fluids inside himself and has diarrhea. I mixed 4cc CDS (around 6000ppm) with roughly 200ml of distilled water and he readily drank it down. I returned an hour later and did exactly the same, again he couldn't get enough. I was trying to roughly replicate a clara's 6 & 6 protocol as he is really weak. I figured I could back off with the strength of dose once I had gotten some inside him to start working. upon returning on the third hour he is not interested in drinking it and I did not force it on him. I plan to go back this evening around 8 hours after first dose to check on him and try again. After reading Fourfingerz posts on Neula I have decided that I will try standard MMS probably around 6drops activated, any advice on dose would be appreciated as I am making this up as I go along! fourfingerz, did you activate MMS drops and then add CDS directly to this mix or administer one and then the other (at same time or MMS first dose, CDS second dose, and so on) As he already had diarrhea I am unsure as how to proceed. He is really bad, has not responded to the antibiotics given by the farmer and I don't want to weaken him further, however there is no denying its a downhill slope if something doesn't change.

EDIT: I have decided 3 drops activated MMS is probably enough as he is around 30kg or 75lb (25lb = 11.3kg) its because of his diarrhea that I am finding it hard to decide how much to dose. I am not sure if his diarrhea will stop until I kill the viruses inside him!

Hi drgreen,
You might want to try my 7 Day Fridge MMS on the calf. It seems to be easier on the stomach (for humans anyway, but who knows for a calf). Here's a link to that thread and my way of preparing it:

genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=31&id=20140&limit=6&limitstart=60&Itemid=66

Hope it helps the little guy,
Scott