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I'm going to throw out something here - just a suggestion - as we all know, anything is toxic in too large a dose. Even water.

OK, here's my thought... Check the ppm in a regular dose of 3 drops of MMS and 3 drops of 50% citric acid, and then check the ppm in your 1mL dose of CDS. You can buy chlorine dioxide test strips 0-500 ppm for around $10.

If you have a VERY STRONG CDS formulation, you may need less of it per dose, to get to the same ppm as "old style MMS" - or you could add more water to your base batch to dilute it. If you're selling it, the ability to dilute would certainly make it more cost effective.

These are just noodlings, and I may be making more work for myself thinking this way, but it's been something going around in my mind. For me, my concern was that I might have too few ppms in my CDS - just wanted to be as consistent as I could.

pam wrote:

OK, here's my thought... Check the ppm in a regular dose of 3 drops of MMS and 3 drops of 50% citric acid, and then check the ppm in your 1mL dose of CDS. You can buy chlorine dioxide test strips 0-500 ppm for around $10.

+1 to that, Pam!

Hello everyone. I just made my first batch of cds today and would like some advice on storage. I'm thinking a 100 ml dropper bottle would be convenient for measuring out the 1cc/ml of cds but they have a rubber seal along with the rubber thing you squeeze to suck the liquid up the tube. Will the cds melt/harm the rubber? Please let me know asap please because I bought the bottles with the droppers and am now afraid to use them. (I just checked the video with Andreas and he is using the same type of dropper bottle in his video) But if anyone has heard that it's not good or fine, please let me know.

Thanks for all the great posts on this topic. I'm going to be using the cds mixed with dmso for a leg infection and will let you know how it works. We are going to be applying it to the skin - hoping the dmso will take the cds into the infection through the skin.

Take care,
Scott

PS. I'll post my pics of my setup when I get a chance - I just drilled holes in plastic bottle caps.

Hello All,

I am really excited about this new process as I like many others simply cannot handle the MMS taste. But being new to this all this science talk is just confusing my little brain! PPM? Also people seem to be doing extra things with pumps etc that I don’t understand? I thought from the video all you needed was 2 bottles, some tubing, and a needle to let out the excess gas and then a bowel with hot water to help the process and a bowel with ice in it to keep the water or saline cool. Not trying to seem ungrateful with everyones comments just want to make this and feel a bit over my head right now

Lily

You are right lily

I think all those people here that are trying to develop other method to make the CDS should open a new thread for that. because i can see how this simple thing turn into a complicate scientific thing that is confusing people.

For now, Lily, I would suggest to you to just ignore all those posts here and just do it as it is shown at the video of Andreas Kalcker (the first post of this thread) and you can use distilled water or saline with ice around it.

Nir

In the US, we have syringes (shot apparatuses) that are in 3mL and 1mL sizes. They measure in mLs, which I think is important, and have markings on the barrels to indicate partial amounts. I remove the needle and discard it (I actually use a needle nose pliers and curl it up into itself, and then put it back in the shield, so it's not a true "needle" any longer) - I use the needle-less barrels to measure my doses. I use the 3mL for me (draw up a 1mL dose) and the 1mL for my cat (draw up a .1mL dose) My dose I put in a shot glass full of water. For my cat, I continue to pull water into the syringe until I have a .9 or 1.0 mL dose complete, and then I use that for my cat. I can't speak to the dropper bottles - those doses seemed to me to be not as exact as the syringes. I looked for what Andreas had, but none of the droppers actually had measurements on them. To store the CDS, I have most of it in a quart jar, which I keep in the fridge. I also have a 2oz PET container (got it at the drug store, they gave it to me for free) - and that's what I use for my "working" container. The PET container is the kind that the drugstore would - say - make a cough syrup and put it in the 2oz container for sale to the public. it works fine with the syringe barrel.

Truthquester wrote:

Hello everyone. I just made my first batch of cds today and would like some advice on storage. I'm thinking a 100 ml dropper bottle would be convenient for measuring out the 1cc/ml of cds but they have a rubber seal along with the rubber thing you squeeze to suck the liquid up the tube. Will the cds melt/harm the rubber? Please let me know asap please because I bought the bottles with the droppers and am now afraid to use them. (I just checked the video with Andreas and he is using the same type of dropper bottle in his video) But if anyone has heard that it's not good or fine, please let me know.

Thanks for all the great posts on this topic. I'm going to be using the cds mixed with dmso for a leg infection and will let you know how it works. We are going to be applying it to the skin - hoping the dmso will take the cds into the infection through the skin.


Take care,
Scott

PS. I'll post my pics of my setup when I get a chance - I just drilled holes in plastic bottle caps.

I haven't gotten setup yet-- still waiting on delivery of double hole stoppers.

Anyway-- I have an idea that might make the Andreas Kalcker setup more efficient.

In regard to the tube that goes into the CDS jar. If you were to blow air through it-- there would be-- X amount of air flow at a given pressure. I'm thinking of plugging up the end, and using a hot pin to put lots of little pin size holes at the bottom of the tub. Enough to enable the tube to once again handle X amount of air flow or CD gas, at the same pressure.

In this way, the CDS exhaust tube would create lots of little bubbles, and that the smaller bubbles would allow more of the CD gas to dissolve in the water, than the large bubbles would, thus making the apparatus more efficient.

Also, if need be, it might be necessary to have the CDS tube spiral around the bottom of the jar, so that all the pin size holes are at or near the bottom of the container, thus maximizing the travel distance to the surface, and giving the CD gas the best chance of being completely dissolved.

It appears to me that eveyone is trying to re live their high school days like when the teacher leaves the room and says come up with your own ideas and we will discuss it when I get back.

Slow down eveyone -- too many of you are trying to out do the teacher here. It is not a contest! Wait on Jim Humble and his team for further comments, I am sure they are writing proceedures as we speak. Let them test the new product.

So -- what have we learned so far?

1/ We know how to make MMS1, we know the activation time & we know how to take it. Okay we all got that part-- the basics.
2/ We now have CDS, we now how to make it the simple & safe way way per the video.
3/ So what do we need to know about CDS?
I) We kneed to know how to store it to keep the gas in solution--below 11c & out of UV light. What period of time will it last in the fridge?
II) We need to know how to messure the concentration of CLO2 in the solution so we can take the proper safe amount each time. We need a chart. III)
III) Can it be transfered over a period time in a sealed air tight bottle then cooled down again when it reaches it's destination to re absorb the gas into the solution?
IV) How does this solution get absorbed into our bodies if the gas comes out of solution above 11c ? Wouldn't the gas fill our stomach & get vented out the mouth?

We have many questions yet to be answered.
Plus there is IV directions to learn and needles all this is still in the discovery stage.

It is good to ask question and share ideas but it is best to wait for approval before giving others the green light on your new ideas. This is called due diligence and quality control or damage control.

Yes, we could leave it to Jim, but I was also thinking that we may be giving ideas to Jim by this discussion.

I have a couple of thoughts too.

I have my materials ( two beer bottles and about a dollars worth of two corks and tubing ). I'll probably post a photo too when I make my first batch this weekend, tomorrow.

One of my questions is: do we know the comparison of how much 28% sodium chlorite is used to make an amount of chlorine dioxide as opposed to how much of the same MMS is used in the old method to make an equivalent number of doses?
I mean, does it cost more MMS to get this new method?
I suppose I will find that out when I make my first batch and taste it and then I'll make a rough guess, but it would be nice to know.

My other thought is this: The MMS and activator (citric acid for me) is in the first bottle.
The saline or distilled water absorbs an amount of chlorine dioxide and then when saturated, it vents chlorine dioxide and I suppose then it is time to take it all apart and put a lid on the saline/chlorine dioxide bottle and refrigerate it.

Correct me if I am wrong, but that is what I thought.

Well, just for experimentation, and please forgive me Bill, but hey talk is cheap and I'm just talking at the moment. So, why not increase the amount of saline before starting, so all of the chlorine dioxide is absorbed?

I'd like to maximize the quantity of chlorine dioxide captured.

Cheers to all our good health and here's hoping and praying that we can convince others to get interested in this and succeed in their own health!

Joe