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Well, I want to suggest method how to compare strength of CDS and MMS.

First, my results I have so far. With my friend I tested how strong is 1 drop of MMS, activated with 10% citric acid. We used industrial device for measuring ppm of CD. The result was that 1 drop of MMS in 100mL of water makes 2 ppm of CD. That translates to 1ppm in 200mL of water. It further means that 1mL of water with 1 drop is equivalent of about 200 ppm of CD in CDS. That is, if you have CDS with 400 ppm, each mL equals to 2 drops of MMS.

But, I may be wrong (we did test it more than once) and you use different measuring equipment. So my suggestion how to test it:

First, make CDS and test its strength, i.e. how how many ppm of CD it has. Of course, use test strips you have.

Then: Activate 10 drops of MMS with 10 drops 50% citric acid (standard procedure). Then add water up to 10 mL. You need to have 10 mL of MMS solution. Basically you'll need to add something less than 9mL of water (we have 20 (10 MMS and 10 citric acid) drops, as 17 drops are 1 mL, it's a bit more than 1 mL).

You just test this solution with your test strips. This solution equals to strength of 1 drop of activated MMS in 1mL of water, which coresponds to CD in CDS.

If I measured correctly first time, you'll get strength of about 200 ppm (or somewhere in that range).

On the other hand, if 1 mL of CDS equals 3 (or 4) drops of MMS, and average CDS solution is 250-300 ppm, then you should get somewhere between 80-90 ppm.

Just to note, you don't need to use 10 drops. You could use more or less, but it's important that you use same number of drops as number of mL you add water up to, i.e. if you use 5 drops of activated MMS, you add water up to 5 mL and then measure. I just think that 10 drops are good number to reduce errors.

Of course, you could scale it, and use for example 1 drop of MMS and add water up to 10 mL, so you would need to multiply measured ppm with 10. It all depends on what scale test strips have, where they are most precise. I think that readings in tens of ppm are most precise.

And of course, please share your results with all of us.

Hi Bill,

In reference to your comments about slowing things down, I'll just speak from my own personal viewpoint, not speaking for the forum or the church, just my own perspective. You are certainly entitled to have your own view and I appreciate the thought you put into your post.

However, I think this technology is life saving, and the sooner it gets disseminated and put to use the better. This is usually my worst time of year healthwise and the CDS is helping me tremendously, much more than the MMS1 & 2. I'm still doing MMS1 in bag treatments daily but that is a pure chlorine dioxide approach also, more similar to the CDS. I think many people who have had trouble with MMS will benefit greatly with this CDS. People are dying for lack of it.

There is no reason at all we can't press forward with the knowledge we have and find more and better solutions, and then teach it to others. This forum is a perfect place to share our experiences so we can pool our knowledge and move forward.

Part of what we are doing is learning to take responsibility for our own health. That means learning to be our own authority and learning to make our own decisions. That means people have to be allowed to make their own mistakes and learn from them. But really I see a whole lot of benefit here, and no one getting hurt.

I won't say, 'slow down', I say, "Full steam ahead!!!"

Michael

@Alan_SP

I was thinking, and could be wrong, that I would activate 3 drops of mms, put it in 4 oz of water, and measure the ppm. This would give me a "base measurement"

Then I would take 1mL of CDS, made as Mark and Andreas have shown, put it in 4 oz of water, and measure the ppm.

Assuming that Mark and Andreas are correct, (each mL is equivalent to 3 or 4 drops of activated MMS) would this not work as a test?

Made some yesterday, a couple things to say:

avoid the natural cork route, the gas will leak out/through before it gains enough pressure to make bubbles.

I made my "airtight" reaction chamber by removing the glass tube from a dropper cap, poking a hole through the top of the squeeze bulb, pushing the pointed end of the tube out through the hole, and screwing the cap back onto a 4oz glass bottle. (like that picture of the bottle with pour spout and inverted dropper tube)

and...

it tastes fine in milk. Thanks everyone!

Ok, I just made some for myself.

I'd like to say a thank you to all here for the exchange of information.

Bill too.

I did the hot water way, with no forced air and the bubbles stopped in the second bottle until I shook the first bottle some more and when I thought there was no more, I capped my ClO2 bottle and put it back in the fridge.

So, then I went to pour the "spent" MMS down the bathroom drain. Whew! what a whiff. That was ok though. It gave me a bit of a dry throat and I didn't mind.

Then I thought of Bill's caution and that made me think of my iron drain pipes. Woah. So all I could do was to turn on the faucet with cold water and hope for the best.

I turned on the bathtub faucet too so more water would wash it down below.

Next time it's going outside in the yard. That is unless someone finds a use for it.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is still some healing potential left in the reaction chamber after making the ClO2.

Now I can see how I did with that batch.
I think I will get some test strips too.

Oh, and Dishpan and Michael are right about the corks too. I added some masking tape around the polyethylene tubing where it goes into the corks and it sealed. I will have to get a new setup, but this works for now.

Thanks everyone!

Joe

I'm going to start with less MMS1 and use whatever "less than spent" solution is left after the receiving end is saturated. I'll dilute, fill a couple of teeth-brushing and spray bottles, refrigerate and use it until it's completely spent. Why not, eh? It isn't going to be contaminated in any way, right?

I don't throw out MMS1 solution until it is completely clear and the taste is gone. Why should I? Perhaps there is a reason I shouldn't brush my teeth with it, but even a weak solution will deodorize smelly trash cans and detoxify a bag of dry-cleaning, eh?

I will also be using an ice bucket to keep the receiving solution good and cold.

If I were going to ship CDS, I would use half full bottles, squeezed to remove as much air as possible and then thoroughly sealed in the squeezed configuration. With instructions to refrigerate for 24 hours before opening. That way the gas will have room to expel as it warms up or if it gets too warm, during shipping, and then be reintegrated with refrigeration before use. One could experiment with that, readily enough. How much you could put in a bottle, how much air must be released, how warm it could get before bulging the bottle, how long it would take to cool it back down and get the gas back into solution, etc., etc..

I don't sell MMS but those of you who do could practice sending bottles of CDS back and forth. Or I'll practice with someone. You never know - I might need to send some somewhere, some day.

edit: Just saw the new vid with Jim making CDS and he has the receiving end in ice water so I guess that will work. Hadn't thought about using a small bottle for the MMS. Makes perfect sense to leave no room for the gas in the MMS bottle. Cool!

I just watched the Jim Humble video, too, and was wondering about his 8 ounce bottle. It appeared to me in the video that he had no lid/nipple on it and it was just open? I may have not seen that clear enough in the video but that is what it looked like to me! I thought both bottles were airtight with the CDS solution bottle having a needle to vent, etc. Did I see this incorrectly or can it be made in the open bottle? I want to try making this but want to be certain about that 8 ounce bottle. Thanks for any info.

I believe you're right. I suppose it wouldn't matter - if you don't smell the gas until it's saturated anyway...why bother? If it was popping out of bubbles at the top, you'd smell the gas from the vent tube, continuously, right?

Perhaps the original method is a laboratory technique designed for more volatile or more toxic gases? If left to its own devices, i don't suppose you'd want some yucky kind of gas pouring out the top of your bottle once your solution was saturated. You'd want to minimize leakage. Of course, even with a vent, you're going to lose control of it once you remove the seal, anyway.

Confusing, a bit - Andreas and Mark have different protocols than Jim - although, overall the outcome is probably the same. But, I think, for me the bottom line is going to be found on the test strip - comparing MMS1 to CDS.