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Re: NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker 24 Jul 2015 01:21 #49939

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I use 24 drops of MMS and 24 drops of 50% citric acid mixed in a dry glass, I wait 20 seconds to I minute ,I check to make sure the liquids of MMS and citric have turned dark reddish brown and then add the 600 ml bottle of soda-Sprite. The taste is ok on the first 5 hour dose , but the taste becomes awful on the last 3 hour doses, the taste of sprite disappears you only feel the very strong smell of MMS (chlorine dioxide) especially the 8 hour dose. .How can i improve the taste.

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Re: NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker 25 Jul 2015 22:28 #49949

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To improve the taste, don't use citric acid! Use 4% HCL instead. 4% HCL really does not have any taste. To me, citric acid tastes terrible and can upset your stomach. HCL is native to our stomachs.

Found this at www.rocketswag.com/medicine/nutrition/junk-food/soda/Sprite-Soda-Ingredients.html

It (Sprite) contains water that is carbonated, phosphoric acid, potassium citrate, potassium benzoate (a taste protector), citric acid, natural flavors, aspartame and acesulfame potassium. It also contains fructose corn syrup and caramel color.

I would not want to be ingesting those ingredients. Note the citric acid. That is probably what is increasing the CLO2 content from the unactivated MMS, so at hour 8 there will be more CLO2 in the bottle. Normally when ingesting MMS1, the unactivated MMS will be activated by the HCL in your stomach. Letting it activate in the bottle of Sprite will allow you to taste more CLO2.

Try using distilled water instead of Sprite. If you have to, add a few drops of Sweetleaf brand stevia drops. It will not reduce the CLO2 content of the MMS1.

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NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker 22 Sep 2020 20:04 #66011

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I just found this post after I did a search for CDS posts after I found this video of Andreas Kalcker on how to create something called 'CDS'.

I use MMS as described by Jim Humble. This CDS (chlorine dioxide solution) alternative as Andreas calls it looks promising to me:

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NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker
CDS ON THE NEW PRODUCT
NO SMELL
DO NOT HAVE BAD TASTE
DO NOT HAVE STOMACH PROBLEMS
1 CC. Of CDS is equal to 3 drops of MMS


Well, that was in 2012. There are 25 pages in this post discussion. And many other posts about CDS in this forum. It is now 2020 and this might be old information.

Can someone tell me shortly if CDS is as effective as MMS1? Because taste and smell of MMS1 are very bad in my experience.

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NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker 22 Sep 2020 23:48 #66014

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MMS1, CDS and CDH are made using the same two ingredients; 22.4% Sodium Chlorite Solution (aka MMS) and an acid activator (plus stomach acid if ingested). All three produce chlorine dioxide gas (CLO2).

Why would there be any difference in effectiveness?

mmsinfo.org/infosheets/What_is_CDS.pdf

One way to improve the taste of MMS1 when made using MMS & 4% HCL is NOT to drink from a glass or cup because your nose is inside those and if you can smell CLO2 gas, the bad taste will be enhanced. Drink from a small mouth bottle.
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NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker 18 Dec 2020 15:34 #67073

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I use MMS as described by Jim Humble. This CDS (chlorine dioxide solution) alternative as Andreas calls it looks promising to me:

Hello friends:

NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker
CDS ON THE NEW PRODUCT
NO SMELL
DO NOT HAVE BAD TASTE
DO NOT HAVE STOMACH PROBLEMS
1 CC. Of CDS is equal to 3 drops of MMS


"NO SMELL." hmm. I just produced CDS using Andreas's double infusion method. It has a very strong smell! And it is the same smell as MMS1, repulsive. How can this be?

When you say "no smell", should I interpret that as odorless?

Anyway, my CDS has an odor and I'd go as far to say it smells as bad as MMS1.

edit - can someone describe exactly what a good quality CDS odor is, describe it in detail?

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NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker 18 Dec 2020 21:32 #67088

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I never understood why anyone would say that CDS has no smell. If anything, it has more CLO2 smell because it has so much CLO2 when made compared to MMS1 and CDH (now called PAMMS). Those two are activated 10% and 50% respectively, when made.

There are ways to make MMS1, CDS and PAMMS that will reduce CLO2 odor escaping. Similar ideas can reduce the taste problem as well.
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NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker 19 Dec 2020 16:37 #67106

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Thank you so much for clearing that up, CLO2!

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NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker 19 Dec 2020 20:51 #67110

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I forgot to talk about the statement "1 CC (ml) Of CDS is equal to 3 drops of MMS"

Keep in mind that this discussion is only concerned about ingestion of MMS1, not when used topically, in an enema, douche, etc.

For years people have believed that wrong statement about CDS and PAMMS (CDH) which caused both CDS and PAMMS to be under-dosed. When those two sodium chlorite solutions (SCS) are under-dosed when compared to MMS1, of course you don't get the same results as you might when using MMS1. So, both CDS and PAMMS have the reputation of being 'weak' compared to MMS1.

How can 1ml of 3000ppm CDS, which contains 3mg of chlorine dioxide (CLO2), be equal to 3 drops of fully activated MMS which would contain 24mg of CLO2? That is 8 times more CLO2 than 1ml of CDS contains!

That comparison assumes that the 3 drop dose of MMS1 will be fully activated. The first activation of MMS is about 10% when MMS1 is 'activated' for 30 seconds when made, and the second activation should happen in stomach acid. We don't know how much secondary activation happens in stomach acid and we can't measure it, even in simulated stomach acid. We can visually see an increase in CLO2 color when MMS1 is added to simulated stomach acid.

Today, one person that I know of who acknowledges that original 1=3 mistake of years ago, is Andreas Kalcker. In his latest book, Forbidden Health on page 116 he says "The approximate equivalence of ingestion between CD (MMS) and CDS has been newly established as 1 ml of CDS = 1 drop of activated CD/MMS. While this is not scientifically accurate, this ratio takes into account the secondary reaction in the stomach."

That statement says that 3mg of CLO2 in CDS is equal to 8mg of CLO2 of MMS1 when in stomach acid. Well, that is more accurate than the previous belief that 3mg is equal to 24mg. :ohmy:

Progress.

Another discussion could be about the comparison when MMS1 is used outside the stomach. :woohoo:

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NEW ! CDS Clorine dioxide solution (MMS) by Andreas Kalcker 06 Jan 2021 20:10 #67418

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Anyway, my CDS has an odor and I'd go as far to say it smells as bad as MMS1.


I have to retract that statement!

Of course CDS at 3000 ppm has a strong smell. But when drinking it, like for example with Protocol 101 or Protocol C , we dilute it to 1% (or 5% max).

I took CDS several times as prescribed at 1% dilution of 3000 ppm (resulting in 30 ppm ClO2) and there is no bad taste, yay! There is still some of that smell, but that's avoidable, just avoid breathing in through the nose while drinking. Also with CDS you prepare a bottle for one-day use - no need to mix each hourly dose, having to go outside etc.. So much less hassle, so much more convenient than MMS1.

So yes, CDS does fix the problem of bad taste with MMS1.
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