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MMS1 or Activated MMS: chlorine dioxide (ClO2)
MMS1 or Activated MMS: chlorine dioxide (ClO2)
Activation question
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03 Jul 2011 04:00 - 16 Aug 2011 20:06 #3534
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Found a place in Jim's new book where he talks about acids that can be used for activation. He says HCl and many other acids can be used for activation but he recommends vinegar and citric acid because that is what we have the most experience with. However, anyone experiencing a problem with these activators can use others that Jim mentions here.
Excerpt from Jim Humble, The Master Mineral of the Third Millennium (Get it now www.miraclemineral.org )
Acids That Can be Used to Activate MMS
Most of the mineral acids and many of the organic acids can be used to activate MMS. However:
● There is one mineral acid that you definitely must not use and that is hydrofluoric acid. It is poisonous.
You can use tartaric acid, citric acid, acetic acid, hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, and sulfamic acid but not ascorbic acid as it prevents the chemical reaction required to make MMS work.
In fact there are too many different acids for me to list. All the mineral acids can be used except hydrofluoric acid. It was put in our water supplies to keep our teeth hard, they say. But the fact is that it is one of the most poisonous substances and the most dangerous acids known. There were millions of gallons sitting unused and no one knew what to do with them. It is so poisonous it couldn't be thrown away, so someone suggested putting it in our water supply. So that's that they did. That's basically my story, but it is true.
Most water supplies contain hydrofluoric acid because someone said that it hardens tooth enamel. There is no proof of that, but it was a chemical theory, so all those guys who care nothing for the truth somehow pushed the idea until they began emptying millions of gallons of hydrofluoric chemicals into our drinking water. That was nearly 50 years ago and there is still no proof of improved teeth, but there is a lot of evidence of other negative health problems.
As a rule of thumb, use only citric acid or vinegar (or lemon or lime juice, which are both 10% citric acid).
● Use the 10% acid at five drops of acid for one drop of regular MMS1; or
● Use the 50% citric acid at one drop of acid for each drop of MMS.
Some people think that hydrochloric acid (the acid in our stomachs) makes the MMS taste better. Maybe it does, but the problem with all those other acids is that they haven't been used on thousands of people. Each acid produces a different amount of chlorine dioxide for the amount of drops used, so there is no way of telling whether you are getting a standard dose each time you take it, or not. Some people think tartaric acid is better. It is readily available in grocery stores. In my opinion it is best to use citric because it's been used in all the research. We have a better idea of what the outcome is supposed to be.
Most acids work. Just don't use a poisonous acid, especially the hydrofluoric acid I mentioned above. On the other hand, all the research and data from treating thousands of people have been obtained from the use of citric acid. My suggestion is that you always use citric acid as then you always know what to expect, how many seconds to wait and that sort of thing. Why try to re-invent the wheel when thousands of other people have already used citric acid and the results are recorded?
You will not know if you are getting what I say you should get if you are using something different than what I suggest. You would be setting up a whole new program of research. Will you be able to check it out on thousands of people like I have? If not, then your research will be lacking in authenticity.
If you want to use a new acid, don't let me stop you, but be prepared to get different results and have people wondering what your MMS really is. In fact, now that I think about it:
● If you do use an acid other than citric acid, you should add somewhere, if you are selling it, "not approved by Jim Humble".
Anybody buying it from you should know that I am not approving other acids. If I did, we would soon have dozens of different mixtures. It would wind up being a hodgepodge of MMSs being sold. So that is the answer to different acids. There are dozens that will work but thousands of people have already used citric acid successfully, so why not join them? Don't try to re-invent the wheel.
Excerpt from Jim Humble, The Master Mineral of the Third Millennium (Get it now www.miraclemineral.org )
Acids That Can be Used to Activate MMS
Most of the mineral acids and many of the organic acids can be used to activate MMS. However:
● There is one mineral acid that you definitely must not use and that is hydrofluoric acid. It is poisonous.
You can use tartaric acid, citric acid, acetic acid, hydrochloric acid, sulfuric acid, and sulfamic acid but not ascorbic acid as it prevents the chemical reaction required to make MMS work.
In fact there are too many different acids for me to list. All the mineral acids can be used except hydrofluoric acid. It was put in our water supplies to keep our teeth hard, they say. But the fact is that it is one of the most poisonous substances and the most dangerous acids known. There were millions of gallons sitting unused and no one knew what to do with them. It is so poisonous it couldn't be thrown away, so someone suggested putting it in our water supply. So that's that they did. That's basically my story, but it is true.
Most water supplies contain hydrofluoric acid because someone said that it hardens tooth enamel. There is no proof of that, but it was a chemical theory, so all those guys who care nothing for the truth somehow pushed the idea until they began emptying millions of gallons of hydrofluoric chemicals into our drinking water. That was nearly 50 years ago and there is still no proof of improved teeth, but there is a lot of evidence of other negative health problems.
As a rule of thumb, use only citric acid or vinegar (or lemon or lime juice, which are both 10% citric acid).
● Use the 10% acid at five drops of acid for one drop of regular MMS1; or
● Use the 50% citric acid at one drop of acid for each drop of MMS.
Some people think that hydrochloric acid (the acid in our stomachs) makes the MMS taste better. Maybe it does, but the problem with all those other acids is that they haven't been used on thousands of people. Each acid produces a different amount of chlorine dioxide for the amount of drops used, so there is no way of telling whether you are getting a standard dose each time you take it, or not. Some people think tartaric acid is better. It is readily available in grocery stores. In my opinion it is best to use citric because it's been used in all the research. We have a better idea of what the outcome is supposed to be.
Most acids work. Just don't use a poisonous acid, especially the hydrofluoric acid I mentioned above. On the other hand, all the research and data from treating thousands of people have been obtained from the use of citric acid. My suggestion is that you always use citric acid as then you always know what to expect, how many seconds to wait and that sort of thing. Why try to re-invent the wheel when thousands of other people have already used citric acid and the results are recorded?
You will not know if you are getting what I say you should get if you are using something different than what I suggest. You would be setting up a whole new program of research. Will you be able to check it out on thousands of people like I have? If not, then your research will be lacking in authenticity.
If you want to use a new acid, don't let me stop you, but be prepared to get different results and have people wondering what your MMS really is. In fact, now that I think about it:
● If you do use an acid other than citric acid, you should add somewhere, if you are selling it, "not approved by Jim Humble".
Anybody buying it from you should know that I am not approving other acids. If I did, we would soon have dozens of different mixtures. It would wind up being a hodgepodge of MMSs being sold. So that is the answer to different acids. There are dozens that will work but thousands of people have already used citric acid successfully, so why not join them? Don't try to re-invent the wheel.
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04 Jul 2011 13:05 #3559
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Just an opinion...
although i am also prefer to convert to HCI, i also believed that bishop jim may had it reason not to use HCI but prefer Citric acid... I would advice for those feeling hard to take high dosage of MMS1 start its protocol with HCI activation... after it recover or already improved a lot.. and going to use a low maintenance drops of which the taste of citric acid not that bad to continue using citric acid as long term MMS1 activator....
although i am also prefer to convert to HCI, i also believed that bishop jim may had it reason not to use HCI but prefer Citric acid... I would advice for those feeling hard to take high dosage of MMS1 start its protocol with HCI activation... after it recover or already improved a lot.. and going to use a low maintenance drops of which the taste of citric acid not that bad to continue using citric acid as long term MMS1 activator....
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06 Jul 2011 11:44 #3603
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I have a question about how you're using the HCL. I'm allergic to the Citric Acid and get mucus in the sinuses and the nose and want to switch to HCL. I asked about how to dilute it so I can use it drop for drop like I was using the Citric Acid to activate MMS1 and this person replied that I simply put a drop of the MMS1 into a half glass of water and drink it down letting my stomach acid (HCL) activate it from within. I just wanted to know before I do this if you recommend I do this. Otherwise, I'd like to follow your procedure with the HCL. What do you think?
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Replied by Edwin3110 on topic Re: Activation question
Hi Dan;
I would suggest that you activate MMS1 using HCI for better taste. I have tried using non activated types once.. it feel difference. Better used the protocol that many is using...
I would suggest that you activate MMS1 using HCI for better taste. I have tried using non activated types once.. it feel difference. Better used the protocol that many is using...
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07 Jul 2011 04:16 #3621
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Hi Dan,
Here is the info and it is on this page ( genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=11&id=3303&limit=6&limitstart=6&Itemid=66 ):
With the muriatic acid (HCl) that is available for swimming pools and says 14.5% hydrogen chloride on the label, you take 1 part of that right out of the bottle (be careful because it is a strong acid) and mix it with 4 parts water, so 1:4, which gives you a 20% solution of what you purchased. Earlier I was a using a 25% solution (1:3, one part acid to 3 parts water) but it does not need to be that strong.
So once you have your 1:4 (20%) muriatic acid solution, then mix it one drop of it to one drop of MMS (1:1) and allow 20 seconds activation. Therefore, this is a substitute for the 50% citric acid activator.
You can try using the no-activator approach and see if it works for you. Jim had an 80% success rate against malaria without activation, then it went to 100% with activation. So the HCl should give a higher rate of success in most cases, but each of us are individuals and if it works for you, then that is all that matters. Jim does not generally recommend no activation, but there are always individual differences and in certain cases that might be best for someone.
Michael
Here is the info and it is on this page ( genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=11&id=3303&limit=6&limitstart=6&Itemid=66 ):
With the muriatic acid (HCl) that is available for swimming pools and says 14.5% hydrogen chloride on the label, you take 1 part of that right out of the bottle (be careful because it is a strong acid) and mix it with 4 parts water, so 1:4, which gives you a 20% solution of what you purchased. Earlier I was a using a 25% solution (1:3, one part acid to 3 parts water) but it does not need to be that strong.
So once you have your 1:4 (20%) muriatic acid solution, then mix it one drop of it to one drop of MMS (1:1) and allow 20 seconds activation. Therefore, this is a substitute for the 50% citric acid activator.
You can try using the no-activator approach and see if it works for you. Jim had an 80% success rate against malaria without activation, then it went to 100% with activation. So the HCl should give a higher rate of success in most cases, but each of us are individuals and if it works for you, then that is all that matters. Jim does not generally recommend no activation, but there are always individual differences and in certain cases that might be best for someone.
Michael
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11 Jul 2011 00:16 #3721
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Quotes taken From the MMS Training Seminar
Dominican Republic
June 7-18, 2010
notes:
"Sodium chlorite has a PH of 13." "The way to generate chlorine dioxide from sodium chlorite is to bring the PH down. When we add 50% citric acid solution to the sodium chlorite, it brings the PH down to 4.8 (acidic) and it will generate the chlorine dioxide in about 20 seconds. This is what you are doing when you are activating mms.
I have a water ionizer which can make very acidic water down to ph 4. I going to try using it as an activator and see how it works. If I get the color change indicative of a reaction or not.
Dominican Republic
June 7-18, 2010
notes:
"Sodium chlorite has a PH of 13." "The way to generate chlorine dioxide from sodium chlorite is to bring the PH down. When we add 50% citric acid solution to the sodium chlorite, it brings the PH down to 4.8 (acidic) and it will generate the chlorine dioxide in about 20 seconds. This is what you are doing when you are activating mms.
I have a water ionizer which can make very acidic water down to ph 4. I going to try using it as an activator and see how it works. If I get the color change indicative of a reaction or not.
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11 Jul 2011 00:33 #3722
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Hi ab288,
This may work fine, but you may have to wait for activation. For activation of IV MMS, Jim Humble recommends simply putting the MMS drops into the IV bag of saline solution and waiting an hour for the acidity of the saline to do the activation.
Bruce
This may work fine, but you may have to wait for activation. For activation of IV MMS, Jim Humble recommends simply putting the MMS drops into the IV bag of saline solution and waiting an hour for the acidity of the saline to do the activation.
Bruce
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23 Jul 2011 19:19 #4046
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Hi Michael,
Is there an error here in these postings below on the dilution of muriatic acid? It seems the post starts out with the purchace from a pool supply of a 30 percent Muriatic solution and
instructions are given to make it into a 20 percent solution by diluting 1:4 which seems correct. But then subsequent posts go on to say that starting with a 14 percent Muriatic solution you dilute that 1:4 to come up with a 20 percent solution. Im a little confused now as to which is the starting concentration . I post the link above in question.
Bryan
08 Jul 2011 21:23
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Re: Hydrocholric Acid: how to make it for MMS1?
Michael
I went to the local pool and spa store and bought a gallon of Muriatic Acid but it was a 30% instead of 14.5% concentration. So, I am assuming that I need to follow you directions for the 14.5% adjusted for 31.45%. Please confirm this before I do anything. Thanks. I always appreciate your helpfulness. Thank god you're doing this.
Dan
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07 Jul 2011 04:16
Michael Harrah
Hi Dan,
Here is the info and it is on this page (genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_k...tart=6&Itemid=66):
With the muriatic acid (HCl) that is available for swimming pools and says 14.5% hydrogen chloride on the label, you take 1 part of that right out of the bottle (be careful because it is a strong acid) and mix it with 4 parts water, so 1:4, which gives you a 20% solution of what you purchased. Earlier I was a using a 25% solution (1:3, one part acid to 3 parts water) but it does not need to be that strong.
So once you have your 1:4 (20%) muriatic acid solution, then mix it one drop of it to one drop of MMS (1:1) and allow 20 seconds activation. Therefore, this is a substitute for the 50% citric acid activator.
You can try using the no-activator approach and see if it works for you. Jim had an 80% success rate against malaria without activation, then it went to 100% with activation. So the HCl should give a higher rate of success in most cases, but each of us are individuals and if it works for you, then that is all that matters. Jim does not generally recommend no activation, but there are always individual differences and in certain cases that might be best for someone.
Michael
Category: Questions About MMS and How to Use It
Hi Michael,
Is there an error here in these postings below on the dilution of muriatic acid? It seems the post starts out with the purchace from a pool supply of a 30 percent Muriatic solution and
instructions are given to make it into a 20 percent solution by diluting 1:4 which seems correct. But then subsequent posts go on to say that starting with a 14 percent Muriatic solution you dilute that 1:4 to come up with a 20 percent solution. Im a little confused now as to which is the starting concentration . I post the link above in question.
Bryan
08 Jul 2011 21:23
Dan7716
Re: Hydrocholric Acid: how to make it for MMS1?
Michael
I went to the local pool and spa store and bought a gallon of Muriatic Acid but it was a 30% instead of 14.5% concentration. So, I am assuming that I need to follow you directions for the 14.5% adjusted for 31.45%. Please confirm this before I do anything. Thanks. I always appreciate your helpfulness. Thank god you're doing this.
Dan
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Re: Activation question
07 Jul 2011 04:16
Michael Harrah
Hi Dan,
Here is the info and it is on this page (genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_k...tart=6&Itemid=66):
With the muriatic acid (HCl) that is available for swimming pools and says 14.5% hydrogen chloride on the label, you take 1 part of that right out of the bottle (be careful because it is a strong acid) and mix it with 4 parts water, so 1:4, which gives you a 20% solution of what you purchased. Earlier I was a using a 25% solution (1:3, one part acid to 3 parts water) but it does not need to be that strong.
So once you have your 1:4 (20%) muriatic acid solution, then mix it one drop of it to one drop of MMS (1:1) and allow 20 seconds activation. Therefore, this is a substitute for the 50% citric acid activator.
You can try using the no-activator approach and see if it works for you. Jim had an 80% success rate against malaria without activation, then it went to 100% with activation. So the HCl should give a higher rate of success in most cases, but each of us are individuals and if it works for you, then that is all that matters. Jim does not generally recommend no activation, but there are always individual differences and in certain cases that might be best for someone.
Michael
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23 Jul 2011 20:06 #4048
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Hi Bryan (ab288),
I don’t think there is an error in the postings, but it is confusing because different dilutions of hydrochloric acid are sold as “muriatic acid”. You have to look at the percentage of “hydrogen chloride” listed on the label of your muriatic acid. I bought muriatic acid from home depot that had 14.5% hydrogen chloride on the label. Dan bought some that said 31.45% hydrogen chloride on the label. Each of these must be diluted by a different formula to arrive at the same final dilution of hydrogen chloride (ie, hydrochloric acid).
You want to achieve a final hydrogen chloride dilution of 3-4% to get an activator that can be substituted for 50% citric acid.
So here are the two formulas depending on what your “muriatic acid” label says:
14.5% hydrogen chloride; dilute 1:4 with water, that is 1 part acid to 4 parts water; yields 2.9% hydrogen chloride.
31.45% hydrogen chloride; dilute 1:8 with water, that is 1 part acid to 8 parts water; yields 3.5% hydrogen chloride.
There is further discussion of these different formulas here ( genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=2&id=3593&limit=6&limitstart=6&Itemid=66 ).
Dan reported back he is using the 1:8 dilution for his 31.45% muriatic acid and it is working well for him.
Michael
I don’t think there is an error in the postings, but it is confusing because different dilutions of hydrochloric acid are sold as “muriatic acid”. You have to look at the percentage of “hydrogen chloride” listed on the label of your muriatic acid. I bought muriatic acid from home depot that had 14.5% hydrogen chloride on the label. Dan bought some that said 31.45% hydrogen chloride on the label. Each of these must be diluted by a different formula to arrive at the same final dilution of hydrogen chloride (ie, hydrochloric acid).
You want to achieve a final hydrogen chloride dilution of 3-4% to get an activator that can be substituted for 50% citric acid.
So here are the two formulas depending on what your “muriatic acid” label says:
14.5% hydrogen chloride; dilute 1:4 with water, that is 1 part acid to 4 parts water; yields 2.9% hydrogen chloride.
31.45% hydrogen chloride; dilute 1:8 with water, that is 1 part acid to 8 parts water; yields 3.5% hydrogen chloride.
There is further discussion of these different formulas here ( genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=2&id=3593&limit=6&limitstart=6&Itemid=66 ).
Dan reported back he is using the 1:8 dilution for his 31.45% muriatic acid and it is working well for him.
Michael
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01 Aug 2011 21:00 #4243
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Hi Michael,
Well, we have been using the HCL 31.45% , diluted 1tsp. to 9tsp. water. Jared still has sinus congestion and he wakes in the middle of the night choking on his mucos. He gets it up but I don't know why we can't get rid of it. Do you have any other suggestions. I would so appreciate any help. We have been dealing with this sinus congestion for over a month this time around with no relief.
Thanks,
Brenda
Well, we have been using the HCL 31.45% , diluted 1tsp. to 9tsp. water. Jared still has sinus congestion and he wakes in the middle of the night choking on his mucos. He gets it up but I don't know why we can't get rid of it. Do you have any other suggestions. I would so appreciate any help. We have been dealing with this sinus congestion for over a month this time around with no relief.
Thanks,
Brenda
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