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David, I just reviewed Jim's Articles. You will be the Bishop and President of the church. Then 3 other people are needed to be Trustees on the Board of Trustees. I am willing to be one if you want.

Other positions needed are vice president, secretary and treasurer. You could also fill some or all of these positions if necessary, but your bank may want to have at least one other person share these positions with you. I could probably be the secretary if you wish because the secretary keeps the minutes of meetings, and I could do that. We just use UWCs "Unanimous written consents" in place of face to face meetings. That is how we operated our business entities and never had any trouble.

I have a scanner so I can sign, scan and email docs wherever you need them. The banks and other agencies will want to see docs signed by the necessary parties, usually scanned images are good enough and can be followed up with originals through regular postal. There really won't be that many documents, most of it is just to get the bank account set up. Then we just document things with a resolution if the church makes some big decision, and we should have an annual meeting document, UWC again, just to maintain legal formalities so the church is respected in court.

Your friend,
Michael

Hi Michael ,thanks for your message, in charge of licenses in TZ is BRELA- www.brela-tz.org/ regrets the regional commissioner has no website:0)

Called the product manager at Barclays up this morning and he told me for churches to open accounts it is a community account that is the correct one, sorry lets ignore the last attachment here is the correct one:


Yes we would have to register on Zanzibar and on TZ mainland, Zanzibar would be faster I am presuming its smaller and probably a good idea, as I have over 20 acres of land there that could come into play to the churches advantage, already semi developed and could be operational in a very short time span, not only as a church base but as a tourist project with medical tourist, accommodation, MMS training and healing/health services of the Genesis 2 church in the middle of the country side will forward you a business plan I am working on involving, culture, entertainment, sport, shops with spas and swimming pool and spice plantations and now MMS- ha , ha I still have one or two surprises for all of you up my sleeve, also have empty plots in Dar that can be developed for Genesis Church, have assets here and there:0)

We should get registered both on Znz and in TZ to fullfill both places requirements, I will be meeting my mate doing the registrations on TZ on Monday and as I am on Znz on Tuesday will also see my lawyer there and get back to you, but I believe its going to be on both locations as each has its own requirements, Tanzania mainland companies are not recognized on Zanzibar.

Excellent idea for you to be on the Board as the companies secretary, Ms. Naseen Bokhari a trusted elderer friend of mine could be the Vice President she assists me in curing people of MMS, her friend was our first HIV/Aids patient we cured, she has already consented, still trying to reach another lady called Clara Mwaikitosi to be the treasurer, she also been cured of an illness with MMS and is the one that introduced me to the Deputy Minister of Health, both have excellent characters and reputations with contacts in government and private and can open many doors for us, myself just my name KIANGO is reputable in the health sector my dad Profession KIANGO used to be the head of the blood bank, anything to do with blood the whole history of blood in TZ is my old man and all these heads in health ministry and doctors are his students both on Zanzibar and in the mainland, so I thing we have a very good experience and qualified determined management team with skills to carry this thing forward as I have worked with all involved and have 200% confidence in you my friend to guide us with the whole concept with Jim Humbles blessings.

Yours Truly,

David

Hi Michael I am quickly going to post under alternative medicine a follow up about the Babu- (grandfather) in northern Tanzania who is curing people practically for free, he had a dream and claims is guided by an angel from God, whatever he dreams comes true, was shown which trees to use to cook a medicine that is curing on the spot people of hiv/aids, diabetes, cancer, blood pressure etc, it is rumored even the President of Tanzania has already been to see this old man, the Ministry of Health and Welfare just tried to close him down for not been licensed and his medication has not been tested will just upload here some pics and articles and news paper clippings, and do a full story about this unfolding miracle in Tanzania that has already shaken the government and is probably a great precedence for us to follow on with MMS as quickly as possible, the government tried to close him up, he swore never to stop treating the sick, they failed to shut him down, public outcry was great with debates on the street, told you I was too trying to protect him writing to the press with the opinion how stupid they and the government were instead of supporting a guy to carry on performing miracles they want to shut him down, they are supporting him now he is not qualified not does he hold any license, they have taken his brew away to test but he claims it only works if you believe in it and he has to administer it himself and withing his compound village.

The interesting legal point I found very interesting from the church was the argument they threw to the government was this.

For this medicine to work you need to have faith in it, you have to pray to what ever GOD you believe in before drinking it for it to work, does not matter what faith you believe in, how can you possible test scientifically a new medicine that only works with faith from your heart, so it is not possible for our FDA to pass a test and approve a medicine that does not come under the jurisdiction of normal medicine, besides how many other which doctors and traditional medicine man are there giving treatments in the country with out any testing on their roots and herbs etc.... As when the local medicine man hand in there herbal medicines the government only steals the patents from them anyway and they never get anything is what they claim.

Do you get the point being made here, check out the attached pics this is of biblical proportions I do not think the government can stop this old man, he got principals and the only person he fears is GOD saying he has been order by a divine power more powerful than any government, this whole story makes our follow up task with MMS even more the easier now...... and the legal aspect even in court in the US and other countries if medicine only works if you believe in it in the first place, its all in the head, how do you go about testing and approving it when you are testing it without the belief it works, it will never work, you the lawyer what do you think from the churches point of view, an extreme example would be Jesus never walked on water and it cannot be proved scientifically so stop the people believing it and going to church is the governments argument, check these pics out and tell me about it, its still unfolding down here that is why I told you all these events even me coming onto the forum now is no coincidence, there's a mightier divine power at play all over the world.....

Could this point not stand up in your western courts, looks like Goliath is already taking a beating in TZ as we correspond...................

David, this is in response to your post re REGISTRATION.

Excellent work on your part, thank you. BRELA stands for Business Registrations and Licensing Agency (BRELA). And here is what they say below on their "About Us" page, I added some highlights:

www.brela-tz.org/about.php
About us

INTRODUCTION: Profile and General Information
Market economy, is by and large a catalyst to sustainable economic development as it breeds and nutures competition in the markets for both goods and services. Competition in turn leads to product and systems innovations for better quality products and services in the market and also value for money, all for the benefit of consumers. Market economy unregulated and unfacilitated breeds chaos and social economic anarchy.
Regulation and facilitation therefore, are a necessary ingredient for a vibrant, sustainable and effective market economy. The two activities are responsible for the refereeing and provision of level field in which participants in the market economy compete.
In other words regulatory and facilitatory mechanisms in the market economy arena are responsible for the fair play of all players in the market.
In recognising this fundamental requirement, as our society gallops towards market economy, the government as part of its civil service reform has decided to establish Government Executive Agencies, among others is the Business Registrations and Licensing Agency (BRELA).

WHAT IS BRELA
BRELA is a Government Executive Agency established under the Government Executive Agencies Act No. 30 of 1997.
It was established on the 28th of October, 1999 by Government Notice No. 294 A published on the 8th October, 1999 and it was officially inaugurated on the 3rd December, 1999.

AIM, ROLE AND STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES

Aim
The aim of the Agency is to ensure that businesses operate in accordance with the laid down regulations and sound commercial principles.

Roles
The specific roles include the following:

* To administer companies and business names laws.
* To regulate business by administering business and industrial licensing laws.
* To administer intellectual property laws.
* To encourage and facilitate local and foreign business investment.
* To stimulate scientific and technological inventiveness and innovation and encourage technology transfer.
* To protect the development of creativity in artistic, literary works, and expression of folklore by protecting such work in conjunction with rights owners.

I also did some name searches. They have databases for company names and business names. Here are results for both:

Company name: church
Company Registration # Company Name Date Of Incorporation Type of Registration
36 CHURCH MISSIONARY TRUST ASSOCIATIATION LIMITED 12/12/2028 struck off
30187 TABATA CHURCH HEALTH SERVICES LTD 25/06/1996
32235 CHRISTS ABUNDANCE CHURCH LIMITED 01/07/1997
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business names: church
Business Name Registration # Business Name Date Of Registration Type of Registration
57437 ELCT/KARAGWE CHURCH BOOK SHOP 29/03/1984 sole proprietor
57676 AFRICAN INLAND CHURCH BOOKSHOP] 9/2/1984 sole proprietor
99144 TANZANIA MONONITE CHURCH DISPENSAR 27/08/1993 partnership
100267 TEMEKE CHURCH HEALTH SERVICES 24/11/1993 partnership
105052 MORAVIAN CHURCH KIGOGO DISPENSARY 25/01/1995 partnership
116688 UHURU MORAVIAN CHURCH WOMENT GROUP 2/4/1998 partnership
147268 MAGOMENI LUTHERAN CHURCH HOSTEL 18/06/2004
156921 TABATA SDA CHURCH WOMEN GROUP 30/01/2006 partnership
159276 AIRPORT CHURCH DISPENSARY 23/05/2006 partnership
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You will notice none of these appear to be strictly a church name. These are business/commercial operations associated with churches. I also highlighted above showing that BRELA handles only BUSINESS licensing. Churches, that are operating strictly as churches (ie no business/commercial/selling), are NOT businesses. Churches take in voluntary donations and use the money for religious purposes.

In the field of law, there is a fundamental legal difference between church activity and business activity. Businesses sell things, they exchange one thing for another thing (eg money), in a transaction. Churches do not transact business. They take in voluntary donations and they provide religious services.

I do not have the actual laws that give BRELA its jurisdiction before me, but based on what they say on their site and based on the names of entities they have in their databases, they do not register churches, that operate as real churches based on donations. If a church gets involved in a business by selling something, then they would fall under BRELA jurisdiction.

There are usually plenty of government agencies that regulate "commerce" but that means only businesses. They have no jurisdiction over churches. There may not be any government agency licensing churches.

And since you will not be selling the MMS, there should be no need to get it approved. If you have an agency like the FDA, then they only have jurisdiction over health products offered for sale to the public. They have no power over you if you are giving MMS away and only accepting purely voluntary donations. So no product approval is necessary.

Thank you also for your other post about the persecution of the Babu. That is something we definitely should learn all we can from. That shows us just what enemy we are up against. When you start using MMS on people, you will get lines of people just like he has. So we need to be ready for the enemy and lay the groundwork for those battles right now. Please do send me good pics of the newspaper articles to my personal email address This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. so I can print them and read them.

Thank you for all your work on this David, and thank you for letting me be a part of it.

Michael

PS: Earlier this morning I sent you a private email to your zanzibarmagic gmail account, just want to make sure you got it.

Thanks Michael, I will actually be meeting my friend tomorrow who has been doing all the licensing research for me spoke to him over the phone yesterday and he says it is probably we have to register the church as a non profit organization, but give me a couple more days to find out even from BRELA itself what is required, will be on Zanzibar too and my lawyer there will be in a position to clarify the whole situation for us on whole a proper church involved as a charity is registered, once I get the right info I will be waiting for Articles of Association and I am sure wew can get the church registered properly the way we want it, will of course make sure that pressure is applied so that licensing is done super fast.

MIchael thanking you for all your time and effort in helping to get this exciting adventure of the ground, will be in touch over email back to you shortly.

GIG- GOD IS GREAT.

David

David, I found a US Dept. of State document that says what needs to be done to register a church there.
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2010/148725.htm

Religious organizations must register with the Registrar of Societies at the Ministry of Home Affairs on the mainland and with the Chief Government Registrar on Zanzibar. Religious organizations must have at least 10 followers to register, provide a written constitution, resumes of their leaders, and a letter of recommendation from their district commissioner. In addition groups registering on Zanzibar must provide a letter of approval from the mufti.
On the mainland BAKWATA elected a mufti, the community's religious leader. On Zanzibar the mufti was appointed by the president of Zanzibar under the 2001 Mufti Law and served both as a leader of the religious community and as a public servant assisting with local governmental affairs.
The Zanzibar mufti possesses the authority to settle some religious disputes involving Muslims. During the year the mufti's office settled two religious disputes involving youths at two mosques who wanted the mosques to adopt the Hanbali school of Islamic thought. Officials from the mufti's office ruled that the youths could not hold leadership positions within the mosques and the mosques should adhere to the Shafii teachings of Islam, which predominate in East Africa.
The Zanzibar mufti nominally approved all Islamic activities and gatherings on Zanzibar and supervised all Zanzibari mosques. The mufti also approves religious lectures by foreign clergy and the importation of Islamic literature from outside Zanzibar. Under the 2001 Mufti Law, Zanzibar's mufti was able to recommend that the Chief Government Registrar approve or deny the registration of any Islamic organization. However, the small staff and resources of the mufti's office significantly limited the mufti's role in practice.
During the reporting period, the Chief Government Registrar did not receive any new applications for registration.

I was also able to find a copy of the Companies Act 2002 which is the law governing companies and BRELA. That statute is very ambiguous about its scope of jurisdiction, very unclear whether it would apply to nonprofit and/or religious organizations.

God is Great brother,

Michael

HI Michael, so it looks like we have almost all the necessary contacts and info on how to open the church could you please prepare necessary docs for muftis and regional commissioners etc, and forward, will easily get 10 or more people to join the church as founding members do you think it is still wise to carry on discussing sensitive issues openly on the forum??

Have attached todays local English newspapers carrying the Loliondo Magical cure story of my BABU- (Grandpa)

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David, tonight I will be searching online to see if I can find the requirements of these govn't entities. Thank you for the reports on BABU, I pray he can take down some of these Goliaths. Like you say, he is a man who fears God, not man. So he is doing the right thing, may the Most High bless him and give him courage and victory!

We should keep reporting anything we can here on the forum so this process can be replicated by others in different countries. Everyone can learn from our experience. We are not doing anything illegal or unlawful. We are trying to be totally obedient to the law, so nothing incriminating about that. So let's keep as much on this forum as we can.

The Articles of Faith of our Church say, We Believe … in One God, the Supreme Being and Creator. To that God, the Most High, I pray and seek guidance and wisdom, Most High God, please guide our steps, help us to carry out your will, serve you faithfully as stated in Article Two of our Church, help our brothers and sisters and do good deeds in your sight, Amen.

Michael

Hi David, Just for your information, Jim Humble and the Ministers in Genesis II have so far decided not to register with any state authorities. Registering an organization makes the state a partner, the SENIOR partner in your institution, and puts the church under the administrative authorities associated with the state. Whereas, under our invocation of religious freedom, most people intuitively understand that no one has the legitimate authority to interfere with our personal practice of whatever constitutes our Truth.

Bruce