Polak, as I recall (correct me if I'm wrong, Edwin) - in Malasia, Edwin cannot get powdered sodium chlorite - only liquid, which is at differing strengths. So some of his work is adaptive to what he has available, yet staying within the protocols.

Hi;

In the beginning... as the photo shows... i used the 25% Sodium Chlorite Solution to mix with 6% HCI... i have seen it very volatiles during the making of CD gas.... but my both plastic tupperware were not effected at all.... seeing this... i feel if one try to used glasses for the mix as i do it may be danger because the gas is quick to produce CDS..... I like this way of producing because it take less time...

My upcoming mixture will only used 6.25% of sodium chlorite to mix with 6% HCI..... to produce a 800ml CDS solutions....

Edwin3110 wrote:

If using glass bottle... do not try the 6% HCI activator.... it is dangerous if its explode.... i use a tupperware types bottle with no problems using 6% HCI.....

Edwin, I can not understand this. You are not using a 28% activator? What are these 6%?

If using glass bottle... do not try the 6% HCI activator.... it is dangerous if its explode.... i use a tupperware types bottle with no problems using 6% HCI.....

If the PET plastic will melt, then shouldn't we suspect rubber (for the stopper) as well?
I have not yet made CDS, but I purchased two cork stoppers for 20 cents and three feet of polyethelyne 1/4 OD tubing for 12 cents per foot.
I have two beer bottles to use.

This is the solution which I did on Friday. The color of the solution is deep yellow, but this is not clearly visible because the image is of poor quality.

I do not think there should be a new protocols. These are great! Only need to define criteria by which to determine individual doses. That's it.

Today I did a generation using 6% HCl for activator and I did get melting of PET plastic in the cold recipient bottle. The gas generation happens really fast with the 6% HCl. The smaller reaction bottle turned to a lighter color quicker.

Most of the gas was generated in the first 5 minutes and I even smelled chlorine dioxide coming out of the vent valve on the cold bottle right at first. I had the distilled water chilled very well and in a bucket surrounded by ice water. So I think the gas generation is too quick with 6% HCl and you lose some because it could not absorb quick enough in the cold water. And you need to use glass bottles or you get plastic melting, at least with the thin PET bottles.

It is probably good i was using a glass bottle for the reaction chamber. My HDPE stiff hose does still look fine like it was not affected.

Also, kwag sent me this link for stoppers (www.hometrainingtools.com/stoppers/c/126/), which looks pretty good. Thanks Karl!

One more link I found today is for a dilution calculator www.restrictionmapper.org/dilutioncalc9.html that was great for finding out how much 37% HCl and how much water to get 6%.

Michael

Hi Polak,

In regard to the dosage question for the lung cancer, I can tell you I took 1 tsp. (5 ml) doses every hour for 10 hrs one day and didn't get anything but maybe a slight headache a few times. Ever since I started making it 10 days ago, on the other 9 nine days I have been taking 1/2 tsp. (2.5 ml) doses every hour usually about 10 hrs/day.

Half tsp. (2.5ml) feels right for me.

Mark did say in that video of his that 1 cc/ml of CDS equals 4 drops of MMS. So it appears they have decided it equals 4 drops instead of 3 drops as Andeas reported. Mark also said that they used the 4 drop calculation to cure the Leukemia case using the equivalent of protocol 1000, 3 drops every hour for 8 hours/day.

Mark also pointed out they took 6 ml of the CDS (same as 24 drops MMS) and put it into a liter of water and then the patient drank 1/8 liter each hour--so that is very convenient.

Michael

OK, I will throw this in - a cancer patient traditionally would be on the 2000 protocol. Which is start low with MMS1, and increase - (beyond the 3 drop dose) to as much as they can take without being sick. This is hourly for 10 hours. Plus you do the calcium chloride (MMS2) every 2 hrs, 4 or 5 x a day, again starting LOW, and building up.

I would think that the protocol would remain the same. The value is that someone who can't stand MMS1 can do the CDS - I'd start at the 3 drop dose (1mL) if they can do that, in a day or so, I'd go to 1.5mL, increasing slowly, just as you would with MMS1. If they have a problem with the 1mL dose, I'd drop back to .5mL. Just as you would do with MMS2. The thing you're looking for is the herx reaction to determine the dosage. You're going to have to do the same thing with the CDS.

I can't do MMS1 at anything greater than a 2 drop dose. I started CDS on a 3 drop (1mL) dose with no problem

LOL, I just read Nir's post and realized I'm basically repeating what he said.

This is about the best thing I can state, and it's based on common sense, not on anything that has been published.

well, i really do not think we will have new protocols for CDS for a few months, until more data will be available from people that experiment on CDS.

So, for now all i can say is that if the protocol for cancer is as many drops as one can take without getting sick for 10 hours + MMS2 every 2 hours, I would suggest taking 3-4ml every hour for 10 or more hours a day + MMS2.

or to keep taking the protocol of MMS drops and wait with the CDS for a while until answers will start coming. for now there are no protocols or suggestions for use of CDS for a specific illness except for the idea that 1ml of CDS is equal to 3-4 drops of MMS1.

For now, people should use their own judgment on how to use it or if to use it at all....

Nir

Nir, I'm just trying to understand, the mechanism by which to determine the dosage of CDS. A client of mine, with lung cancer, feels very bad drinking MMS1 and I would like to know, what dose of CDS can recommend. 1ml, 2ml...?

Polak - a long time ago, when i was still taking antibiotic (before i moved to natural alternative medicine) when i had a Strep throat i used to take penicillin. i had no symptoms from the antibiotic, no side effect and i didn't think that because i do not have those the antibiotic is not working. not everything you cure gives you reactions. but after a few days the Strep throat was gone and that is how i knew the antibiotic worked.

why do you think that if people will not feel sick they will think that the CSD is not working.
If they do not have the Patience to just take it like any other medicine and see if they feel better after a few days or weeks then give them MMS1 not as a CDS but drops in water, maybe they will feel sick and everyone will be happy.

About all the questions - the CDS is only out for two (plus) weeks. there are no answers yet. nobody is trying to hide the information and as soon as more information will be available i am sure that you will be able to read it here in the forum.

Until then, we all experiment on ourselves and anybody else that is willing to be experimented on without answers.

So.... Patience, Patience, Patience all will be answered in good time.

Nir

Pam, at the standard dose MMS, some people need higher doses to have progress in treatment. How will we know whether we should increase the dose CDS?
Yes, I know that they are still experimenting, but we need to ask questions, because people will ask us the same, and we need to know the answers.
Also, our own experience, will also be of great benefit. So far I feel nothing after these doses, because there are no symptoms. For this, I will drink CDS constantly to see what changes will have! There should be some indication that the CDS works, without any laboratory test. I say this, because there are people who will think that the CDS does not work, when they have no symptoms.

And, how to understand a cancer patient what dose CDS needs, when no symptoms? Now, based on what we can determine the dosage? Until now it was according to symptoms, but once they are gone...?

I use silicone tube, i have it from my Ozone generator. Silicone is the only thing you can use with ozone because other kind of plastic will be destroyed by the Ozone. I think that Silicone is the best for CSD as well.

Thanks for getting the link up there. I went out to do laundry, and when I got back saw Mark's note to me to put it up - thanks for getting it up earlier, Michael.
@Polak
1. For many of us it will be the amelioration of our symptoms, Polak. And for some of us, there will be laboratory tests to prove it, as Michael shared. They're still experimenting.
2. A litre is 1000 doses, yes. at 3 to 4 drops a dose.
3. I don't have any idea on the hose. I used vinyl the first time and now am going to be using polyethylene the second If you think about it, there's a low density polyethylene tubing and a high density polyethylene tubing. The HDPE (which is what we get in the bottles that MMS comes in) is food grade and sturdier - but I don't know for sure why he made that comment.
4. I'm sure the "how do they know" answer involves math, and I'm a social scientist, LOL = maybe someone else can do the numbers.

Hello.
On friday I made CDS. Unfortunately, I can not upload photos to my computer to show it to you.
I used:
50ml. - 28% sodium chlorite
50ml. - 50% solution of citric acid
500ml. - Distilled water

3 days, I drink to the following schedule:
1 day - 1ml. per dose.
2 days - 2ml. per dose.
Day 3 - 3ml. per dose, 8-10 doses per day

However, several questions arise.
1 - If the intake of CDS does not cause nausea or diarrhea, how will we know if it works? Until now, these symptoms indicate, that MMC works!
2 - If 1ml. is equal to the dose of 4 drops, then in a solution of 1 liter is 1000 doses, right?
3 - Why Mark says that we must use only rigid hose? I used silicone.
4 - How they found that 1ml. CDS is equal to 4 drops of MMS?

Thanks Pam! Excellent video, here is the link to his wall www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002553201592#!/mark.grenon?sk=wall .

Here is the video link www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150991514880160.

Mark says the CDS has lasted for 6 weeks so far in a bottle and they think it will go longer, but that is how long they have had it so far. They are still experimenting on how much MMS/activator to use to get saturation of the CDS. Andreas said 5% each of MMS/activator but Mark says they are still experimenting.

Recipe Mark is using in this video is 50 cc/ml of MMS and 50 cc/ml of citric acid and 500 cc/ml of saline solution.

1 cc/ml of CDS is equal to 4 drops of MMS and he adds 3 oz. of water for a tasteless dose.

Mark also stressed to use the stiff tubing; he calls it 1/4 inch 'pressure hose' but it looks and sounds just like the HDPE icemaker tubing at home depot, that says polyethylene on the label. It is stiff and translucent whitish.

Mark also reports a remarkable testimonial from a famous doctor who called him. Mark had shown the CDS making process to the doctor 3 weeks earlier. The doctor had a leukemia case confirmed by 3 positive blood tests that he treated with the equivalent of protocol 1000 using the CDS. 6 ml of CDS daily put into one liter of water and drink 1/8 each hour for 8 hours. Six cc/ml of CDS is equivalent to 24 drops of MMS, so drinking 1/8 each hour was like protocol 1000.

After only 1 week of CDS, a blood test verified the leukemia was cured!

Bravo Mark, Jim and Andreas!

Michael

Mark has a little series of videos on making CDS on his FB page - They're not on YT at this time, that I can see.