Hi Lily,

I just watched the Kalcker video again and at about 8:15 he says that 1 cc is equal to 3 drops of mms. And 1 cc is equal to 1 ml.

Take care,
Scott

Excellent, Scott. I am wondering, if you could freeze it, how long the CDS would "keep" - oh, another test (but it would take a while, LOL) - I'm betting it would remain in solution a lot longer, frozen, in a container that has no air. The 200mL would actually contain sufficient to do one 3 week round of 1000 at 1mL per dose (actually, a little more) - may I ask where you got the one you show in your photos?

Here's one quite a bit more expensive (but you don't have to buy 250 <G>), but holds 2 liters. I think we'd need to find out what the plastic is, and how well it stands up to temps and the CDS gas...
www.e-omc.com/catalog/products/6597/Platypus-Bottle.html

Also, Amazon has some
www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_sc_7_12?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=collapsible+water+bottle&sprefix=collapsable+


One thing I've found for mailing traditionally that is brand new is something called "Techni-Ice" - it's out of Australia. I want to send some to my brother, and didn't want it to get too warm. This stuff, unlike gel packs, will stay frozen for days. And it's less problematic than dry ice. And it can be cut to size. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000ZOUYV6/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details

You can get it in various sheet numbers - i.e., buy in 3 sheets, or buy in 5 sheets.

Orv, I'd say you had complete saturation at that point. What temperature was the water you were keeping the 2 oz bottle in? If it were a bit higher than 160 degrees, it's possible that it caused the gas to bubble out quicker.

orv wrote:

Hi Pam I got my green sprouts 2 oz glass bottles today from ups. And went rite to work. But most of the bubbling in both bottles had completed in 45 min. All of the color in the 2oz bottle was gone and clear within 1:15 min. so I stoped every thing and bottled up everthing and put it all in refer. Tried it out and was no real taste but a little tiny burn in my throat which a little more water took care of. I'll be glad to hear your comparing with your strips.

Yes, Lily. Andreas and his friends who devised the original protocol determined this. However, CDS is what I call a "moving target" - people in the DR, and people on this forum are making changes to the processing part of it, which can make it stronger, improving it, practically as we type.

CDS has been "out" for a very short time. So, that's why you're seeing the differences in the measurements - As soon as we get what I call "consistency in processing" (which is what Jim is setting up with his video, I think) and consistency in dosing - which we haven't yet seen out of the DR group, and everyone is on the same page, I think you'll start to see "consistency in drops per dose."

I am totally confused, in Andrea video I am sure he said 1 drop of CDS is equivalent to 3 to 4 drops of MMS?!

Lily

Hi,
I made a batch of cds today, am trying out a 20 drop cds to 1 glass water mix and will see how it goes, yes i do notice a taste in the water but certainly much better to drink than mms1, thanks for the info.

Hi ascepticworld,

I do not know what Jim will decide on this. But this CDS is strong, probably 1/2 ml would be about equal to a 3 drop dose of MMS. Except with the MMS, there is more chlorine dioxide in the chlorous acid that is part of the mix and when that gets into your body, some more chlorine dioxide probably gets released. But that won't happen with the CDS.

So maybe Jim will decide 1 ml of this CDS is more like a 4 drop dose.

We'll just have to wait for Jim on this. I'm sure he is working on this diligently to arrive at a conclusion.

Michael

Hi Micheal,

Thanks for doing the new tests.

So, now you have the undiluted CDS at 5900-6000ppm concentration, our question here would be should we use 1ml of this 6000ppm CDS as the equivalent of 3 drops of activated MMS1?

Or should we dilute it down to 3000ppm (as per your comparative tests done previously), which means 0.5ml of 5900ppm CDS per dose for protocol 1000.

Since you already tested 1ml 3000ppm CDS is equivalent to 3 drops of activated MMS1 in terms of Chlorine Dioxide concentration (ppm), I am leaning towards believing that 3000ppm CDS should be the standard CDS concentration if we want to use the 1ml CDS = 3 drops MMS1 formula for administrating the dosage.

This would mean that if using Jim's latest method to produce CDS at 6000ppm, the formula would have to be essentially changed to 0.5ml CDS = 3 drops MMS1.

Thanks!

Please note: it is not necessary to be as elaborate as I have been here, just do what Jim says and you will have potent CDS!

Today I made a batch of CDS trying to follow Jim's instructions exactly, and I took ppm measurements of the chlorine dioxide in the CDS. This is by far the most potent CDS I have made to date, and I highly recommend anyone starting to make CDS, make it according to Jim's instructions first, so you know what good CDS is like.

The only thing I did not have was baby bottles, which will arrive in 2 days. Instead, I used a 2 oz. brown dropper bottle for the reaction chamber and a 12 oz coke bottle for the receiving chamber. I used the stiff 1/4" polyethylene tubing cut on a slant that looks just like the tubing in Jim's video (original video has been removed; current Jim Humble video is dated 12/26/11) and that is sold in hardware stores. I used a one-hole black rubber stopper on the 2 oz brown bottle and no top at all on the coke bottle, as in Jim's video.

Ingredients:
1 oz. MMS1
1 oz. 50% citric acid
8 oz. cold distilled water
ice & water

Materials:
2 oz. brown dropper bottle
12 oz. coke bottle
1-hole rubber stopper
18" of stiff 1/4" polyethylene tubing
electric hot plate
pyrex pot for hot plate
thermometer
small funnel
bucket of ice water
0-500 ppm chlorine dioxide test strips
graduated cylinders to measure liquids
oral syringe to measure 1 ml (get at drug store)

Useful measurements: (referencing U.S. cups)
1 oz. = 1/8 cup = 30 ml
2 oz. = 1/4 cup = 59 ml
8 oz. = 1 cup = 237 ml
1 teaspoon = 5 ml
1/4 teaspoon = 1.25 ml

Procedure to make CDS:

I followed Jim's video instructions. Measured out 8 oz. of cold distilled water from the refrigerator into the 12 oz. coke bottle and put it into a small bucket with water and lots of ice. Added more ice a couple times during the 2 hour process.

Measured 1 oz. of MMS and using a plastic funnel put it into the 2 oz. brown dropper bottle. Measured 1 oz. of 50% citric acid and put it into the brown dropper bottle. Brown dropper bottle is full nearly to the top.

Put 1-hole rubber stopper, into which one end of the 1/4" polyethylene tubing had been inserted, into top of brown bottle, and put it into the pyrex pot on the hot plate, and turned hot plate onto low setting. Put other end of 1/4" tubing into the coke bottle, resting it on the bottom of the bottle, in the bucket of ice water.

Had thermometer installed on pyrex pot to watch the temperature. A couple times it got up to 180 degrees when the burner cycled on. Tried to keep it between 150-160 degrees most of the time. It was still bubbling just a little even after 2 hours but I stopped at that point and then tested the CDS with the test strips.

Procedure to test CDS for ppm chlorine dioxide:

Once I had the 8 oz. of CDS, I removed 2 oz. to a shot glass and suctioned up 3 ml into an oral syringe. I used graduated cylinders to measure 3 portions of 2 oz. of cold distilled water. I put 2 oz of distilled water into a 1 cup pyrex measuring glass and then put 1 ml of the CDS into that and stirred it well. Then I took a 0-500 ppm chlorine dioxide test strip, dipped it for 2 seconds, waited 10 seconds and took the reading. The color closely matched the 100 ppm color on the chart.

I then added another 2 oz. of the distilled water to the existing 2 oz. with the 1 ml CDS that I had just tested. So now I have 4 oz. of distilled water and 1 ml of CDS. I followed the test procedure again with a new strip and the color matched the 50 ppm color on the chart.

I then added another 2 oz. of the distilled water to the existing amount I had just tested. So now I have 6 oz. of distilled water and 1 ml of CDS. After following the test procedure, the color seemed closest to the 25 ppm color on the chart, however the difference between 25-50 ppm is not much, and it just seemed closer to 25 ppm.

I then repeated this whole 3 step process with another ml of the CDS, testing at 2 oz., 4 oz., and 6 oz. dilutions, and the readings were all identical to the prior tests as far as I could tell. I think the most reliable reading of all is the 100 ppm reading because that color seems to be easiest to clearly distinguish on the color chart for the test strips.

Therefore, based on the above, this CDS undiluted is running at 5900 ppm of chlorine dioxide, which is twice as strong as my prior batches using the forced air as I related here genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=8662&limit=6&limitstart=12&Itemid=66#8700. You can also tell from the taste; even with adding 4 oz of water to a 1 ml dose it still burns your throat a little.

Michael Harrah

Please note: it is not necessary to be as elaborate as I have been here, just do what Jim says and you will have potent CDS!

Today I made a batch of CDS trying to follow Jim's instructions exactly, and I took ppm measurements of the chlorine dioxide in the CDS. This is by far the most potent CDS I have made to date, and I highly recommend anyone starting to make CDS, make it according to Jim's instructions first, so you know what good CDS is like.

The only thing I did not have was baby bottles, which will arrive in 2 days. Instead, I used a 2 oz. brown dropper bottle for the reaction chamber and a 12 oz coke bottle for the receiving chamber. I used the stiff 1/4" polyethylene tubing cut on a slant that looks just like the tubing in Jim's video ( ) and that is sold in hardware stores. I used a one-hole black rubber stopper on the 2 oz brown bottle and no top at all on the coke bottle, as in Jim's video.

Ingredients:
1 oz. MMS1
1 oz. 50% citric acid
8 oz. cold distilled water
ice & water

Materials:
2 oz. brown dropper bottle
12 oz. coke bottle
1-hole rubber stopper
18" of stiff 1/4" polyethylene tubing
electric hot plate
pyrex pot for hot plate
thermometer
small funnel
bucket of ice water
0-500 ppm chlorine dioxide test strips
graduated cylinders to measure liquids
oral syringe to measure 1 ml (get at drug store)

Useful measurements: (referencing U.S. cups)
1 oz. = 1/8 cup = 30 ml
2 oz. = 1/4 cup = 59 ml
8 oz. = 1 cup = 237 ml
1 teaspoon = 5 ml
1/4 teaspoon = 1.25 ml

Procedure to make CDS:

I followed Jim's video instructions. Measured out 8 oz. of cold distilled water from the refrigerator into the 12 oz. coke bottle and put it into a small bucket with water and lots of ice. Added more ice a couple times during the 2 hour process.

Measured 1 oz. of MMS and using a plastic funnel put it into the 2 oz. brown dropper bottle. Measured 1 oz. of 50% citric acid and put it into the brown dropper bottle. Brown dropper bottle is full nearly to the top.

Put 1-hole rubber stopper, into which one end of the 1/4" polyethylene tubing had been inserted, into top of brown bottle, and put it into the pyrex pot on the hot plate, and turned hot plate onto low setting. Put other end of 1/4" tubing into the coke bottle, resting it on the bottom of the bottle, in the bucket of ice water.

Had thermometer installed on pyrex pot to watch the temperature. A couple times it got up to 180 degrees when the burner cycled on. Tried to keep it between 150-160 degrees most of the time. It was still bubbling just a little even after 2 hours but I stopped at that point and then tested the CDS with the test strips.

Procedure to test CDS for ppm chlorine dioxide:

Once I had the 8 oz. of CDS, I removed 2 oz. to a shot glass and suctioned up 3 ml into an oral syringe. I used graduated cylinders to measure 3 portions of 2 oz. of cold distilled water. I put 2 oz of distilled water into a 1 cup pyrex measuring glass and then put 1 ml of the CDS into that and stirred it well. Then I took a 0-500 ppm chlorine dioxide test strip, dipped it for 2 seconds, waited 10 seconds and took the reading. The color closely matched the 100 ppm color on the chart.

I then added another 2 oz. of the distilled water to the existing 2 oz. with the 1 ml CDS that I had just tested. So now I have 4 oz. of distilled water and 1 ml of CDS. I followed the test procedure again with a new strip and the color matched the 50 ppm color on the chart.

I then added another 2 oz. of the distilled water to the existing amount I had just tested. So now I have 6 oz. of distilled water and 1 ml of CDS. After following the test procedure, the color seemed closest to the 25 ppm color on the chart, however the difference between 25-50 ppm is not much, and it just seemed closer to 25 ppm.

I then repeated this whole 3 step process with another ml of the CDS, testing at 2 oz., 4 oz., and 6 oz. dilutions, and the readings were all identical to the prior tests as far as I could tell. I think the most reliable reading of all is the 100 ppm reading because that color seems to be easiest to clearly distinguish on the color chart for the test strips.

Therefore, based on the above, this CDS undiluted is running at 5900 ppm of chlorine dioxide, which is twice as strong as my prior batches using the forced air as I related here genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=8662&limit=6&limitstart=12&Itemid=66#8700. You can also tell from the taste; even with adding 4 oz of water to a 1 ml dose it still burns your throat a little.

Michael Harrah

Just did a search on collapsible drinking bottles and found a lot. Here's one that has a lot of variety for a start:

www.alibaba.com/showroom/collapsible-drink-bottle.html

Take care,
Scott

Hi Lily,

No you need 24 drops to equal 3 to 4 drops of activated mms (the old way). CDS is NOT more concentrated - it's just missing the citric acid and the byproduct of the citric acid/mms reaction (with the exception of the chlorine dioxide of course). Chlorine dioxide is the stuff that kills all the pathogens and that's what we have in the cds.

Hope that clears it up for you. You should also see Michael's new forum topic on how to take cds. Highly recommended.

Take care,
Scott

Hi Pam I got my green sprouts 2 oz glass bottles today from ups. And went rite to work. But most of the bubbling in both bottles had completed in 45 min. All of the color in the 2oz bottle was gone and clear within 1:15 min. so I stoped every thing and bottled up everthing and put it all in refer. Tried it out and was no real taste but a little tiny burn in my throat which a little more water took care of. I'll be glad to hear your comparing with your strips.

For those of us that are not too scientific, using ml and cc
is quite frustrating. Even Jim uses ounces.

All 3, Jim, Andreas and Mark have used 50/50 citric acid. The difference is in the amount of citric acid and mms to the bottle of distilled water. Mark and Andreas have used 50mL of MMS and 50mL of the 50% citric acid to 500mL of water or saline solution. Jim used one ounce of MMS and one ounce of the 50% citric acid to 8oz of water.

My 2oz glass baby bottles have shown up, I'm going to play mad scientist tomorrow. Wish I had my 1-10ppm test strips!

It may be:
genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=10&id=7515&limit=6&limitstart=18&Itemid=66#8965

You could send him a personal message as an inquiry, I suppose.

Joe

Hi Scott,

No sorry I didnt mean 3 quarters I did mean 3 to 4 drops.

My question is how is 24 drops of CDS the same as 3 to 4 drops of MMS?! I thought CDS was stronger but from what I understand youve written a that you need 24 drops of CDS to equal only 3 drops of MMS? I thought you would need fewer drops of CDS?

Lily

Hi Alan and Scott,

I changed the recommended amount of water to add to the dose to 4-8 ounces. And added a sentence about adding more water if there is throat burning.

Thanks for your suggestions!

Michael