TOPIC:

We need to determine how to test if CDS is fully saturated and what methods of production will give us full saturation.

I am referring to the 0-500 ppm chlorine dioxide test strips below.

I did some testing yesterday. I measured my CDS cold right out of the fridge. I took exactly 1 ml of my forced air CDS and mixed it with exactly 4 oz of distilled water. I also made up a 3 drop dose of MMS and put it in 4 oz of distilled water. I did this test twice and used two test strips on each glass. Then I made a 6 drop dose of MMS in 4 oz of distilled water and a 2 ml shot of CDS in 4 oz distilled water.

In all the tests, the CDS water definitely is more yellow. To me, that has to mean there is more Cl02 in it. Nevertheless, the MMS and CDS doses came out about the same on the test strips. I think the acidity in the MMS dose and the fact that it is unstable and constantly producing more Cl02 has to be affecting the readings.

Those test strips require a lot of guess work because the difference in shade between 10-25ppm is not that much. My tests with the 1 ml CDS and 3 drop MMS doses were in between 10-25 ppm. Then when I did the double dose, 2 ml CDS and 6 drops MMS, the color on both cases seemed pretty near to 50 ppm. So I think that means my forced air CDS and the 3 drop (using glass droppers and 50% citric) dose of MMS are running at 25 ppm per dose, although when you make up single dose like that the test strip seems to be between 10-25 ppm.

I'm ordering some of the 0-10ppm test strips today and I'll dilute with a lot more water to get into those values. I am ordering some baby bottles too so I can test Jim's method and see what values I get.

Michael

Re-posting here some info Steve posted on another thread genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=42&id=8936&Itemid=66 in reference to measuring CDS.

It's being worked on.
A saturated solution at 77 degrees F is closer to 2800 ppm or 2.8g/L
At 41 F is can be increased to 9000 ppm or more.

There are lots of variables. It's going to take a while to get it standardized.
From Jim's Video, and the instructions I have seen so far, as well as what has been mentioned about equivalents....

I would say that what we are looking for would be in the 7.5 to 9 g/L range.
10g/L is attainable, but atmospheric pressure won't let me get that high here.

All of this info is just from me, no official word yet.

One issue I'm sure is the fact that no strips will test over 500 ppm, and I'm not sure an affordable meter would either.
I'm having to take measurements from dilutions.


I have a lot of data from the last few days, and some observations. I am going to try to get it all together in a succinct easy table, but I am trying to wait for word back from Mark and Jim,
and get some info from them. No word as of yet.

Hi Micheal,

Thanks for the info given on your comparative tests.

From what I understand on your test, for the CDS, you diluted 1ml of CDS into 4 oz (about 118ml) of water and get probably around 25ppm reading. As such, the undiluted CDS would probably be 25ppm x 118 = 2950ppm, i.e. near to the range of 3000ppm.

If both of your diluted 1ml CDS and 3 drops MMS were tested to be in similar ppm, that means 3000ppm CDS would be the MMS equivalent.

In this case, under protocol 1000, one should take 1 ml of 3000ppm CDS (diluted in water) every hour for 8 hours. For protocol 2000, one should take up to 3ml of 3000ppm CDS (diluted in water) every hour for 10 hours, plus MMS2.

I suppose the important thing is the amount/ dosage of undiluted CDS, as to the amount of water used for the dilution really does not matter, as no matter you use 4 oz of water to dilute 1ml 3000 ppm CDS or use 8 oz of water, you are taking in the same dosage of 1ml 3000ppm CDS at the end. Am i correct on this?

Is my above assumption and calculation in any where correct?

Please kindly verify for me. Thanks in advance!

Again, based on my above unverified assumptions, if 3000ppm CDS is the MMS equivalent, then since everyone might end up producing different concentration of CDS, then one should always adjust the calculation back to 3000ppm CDS to get MMS equivalent.

For example, if somehow someone produced CDS and used 1ml of the said CDS diluted with 4 oz (118ml) of water and tested with CD test strip and get a 50ppm reading, it means that the undiluted CDS produced should be around 50ppm x 118 = 5900ppm (around 6000ppm). Then, one should use 0.5ml of this CDS per hour for protocol 1000 vice versa.

Hi ascepticworld,

I think everything you are saying is correct. Thanks for running the numbers. Jim's protocol 1000 allows the addition of 4-8 oz of water to the dose, so the significant thing is the number of drops, not the dilution.

So it looks like my CDS is running at 3000 ppm chlorine dioxide undiluted.

Michael

Please note: it is not necessary to be as elaborate as I have been here, just do what Jim says and you will have potent CDS!

Today I made a batch of CDS trying to follow Jim's instructions exactly, and I took ppm measurements of the chlorine dioxide in the CDS. This is by far the most potent CDS I have made to date, and I highly recommend anyone starting to make CDS, make it according to Jim's instructions first, so you know what good CDS is like.

The only thing I did not have was baby bottles, which will arrive in 2 days. Instead, I used a 2 oz. brown dropper bottle for the reaction chamber and a 12 oz coke bottle for the receiving chamber. I used the stiff 1/4" polyethylene tubing cut on a slant that looks just like the tubing in Jim's video ( ) and that is sold in hardware stores. I used a one-hole black rubber stopper on the 2 oz brown bottle and no top at all on the coke bottle, as in Jim's video.

Ingredients:
1 oz. MMS1
1 oz. 50% citric acid
8 oz. cold distilled water
ice & water

Materials:
2 oz. brown dropper bottle
12 oz. coke bottle
1-hole rubber stopper
18" of stiff 1/4" polyethylene tubing
electric hot plate
pyrex pot for hot plate
thermometer
small funnel
bucket of ice water
0-500 ppm chlorine dioxide test strips
graduated cylinders to measure liquids
oral syringe to measure 1 ml (get at drug store)

Useful measurements: (referencing U.S. cups)
1 oz. = 1/8 cup = 30 ml
2 oz. = 1/4 cup = 59 ml
8 oz. = 1 cup = 237 ml
1 teaspoon = 5 ml
1/4 teaspoon = 1.25 ml

Procedure to make CDS:

I followed Jim's video instructions. Measured out 8 oz. of cold distilled water from the refrigerator into the 12 oz. coke bottle and put it into a small bucket with water and lots of ice. Added more ice a couple times during the 2 hour process.

Measured 1 oz. of MMS and using a plastic funnel put it into the 2 oz. brown dropper bottle. Measured 1 oz. of 50% citric acid and put it into the brown dropper bottle. Brown dropper bottle is full nearly to the top.

Put 1-hole rubber stopper, into which one end of the 1/4" polyethylene tubing had been inserted, into top of brown bottle, and put it into the pyrex pot on the hot plate, and turned hot plate onto low setting. Put other end of 1/4" tubing into the coke bottle, resting it on the bottom of the bottle, in the bucket of ice water.

Had thermometer installed on pyrex pot to watch the temperature. A couple times it got up to 180 degrees when the burner cycled on. Tried to keep it between 150-160 degrees most of the time. It was still bubbling just a little even after 2 hours but I stopped at that point and then tested the CDS with the test strips.

Procedure to test CDS for ppm chlorine dioxide:

Once I had the 8 oz. of CDS, I removed 2 oz. to a shot glass and suctioned up 3 ml into an oral syringe. I used graduated cylinders to measure 3 portions of 2 oz. of cold distilled water. I put 2 oz of distilled water into a 1 cup pyrex measuring glass and then put 1 ml of the CDS into that and stirred it well. Then I took a 0-500 ppm chlorine dioxide test strip, dipped it for 2 seconds, waited 10 seconds and took the reading. The color closely matched the 100 ppm color on the chart.

I then added another 2 oz. of the distilled water to the existing 2 oz. with the 1 ml CDS that I had just tested. So now I have 4 oz. of distilled water and 1 ml of CDS. I followed the test procedure again with a new strip and the color matched the 50 ppm color on the chart.

I then added another 2 oz. of the distilled water to the existing amount I had just tested. So now I have 6 oz. of distilled water and 1 ml of CDS. After following the test procedure, the color seemed closest to the 25 ppm color on the chart, however the difference between 25-50 ppm is not much, and it just seemed closer to 25 ppm.

I then repeated this whole 3 step process with another ml of the CDS, testing at 2 oz., 4 oz., and 6 oz. dilutions, and the readings were all identical to the prior tests as far as I could tell. I think the most reliable reading of all is the 100 ppm reading because that color seems to be easiest to clearly distinguish on the color chart for the test strips.

Therefore, based on the above, this CDS undiluted is running at 5900 ppm of chlorine dioxide, which is twice as strong as my prior batches using the forced air as I related here genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=8662&limit=6&limitstart=12&Itemid=66#8700. You can also tell from the taste; even with adding 4 oz of water to a 1 ml dose it still burns your throat a little.

Michael Harrah

Hi Micheal,

Thanks for doing the new tests.

So, now you have the undiluted CDS at 5900-6000ppm concentration, our question here would be should we use 1ml of this 6000ppm CDS as the equivalent of 3 drops of activated MMS1?

Or should we dilute it down to 3000ppm (as per your comparative tests done previously), which means 0.5ml of 5900ppm CDS per dose for protocol 1000.

Since you already tested 1ml 3000ppm CDS is equivalent to 3 drops of activated MMS1 in terms of Chlorine Dioxide concentration (ppm), I am leaning towards believing that 3000ppm CDS should be the standard CDS concentration if we want to use the 1ml CDS = 3 drops MMS1 formula for administrating the dosage.

This would mean that if using Jim's latest method to produce CDS at 6000ppm, the formula would have to be essentially changed to 0.5ml CDS = 3 drops MMS1.

Thanks!

Hi ascepticworld,

I do not know what Jim will decide on this. But this CDS is strong, probably 1/2 ml would be about equal to a 3 drop dose of MMS. Except with the MMS, there is more chlorine dioxide in the chlorous acid that is part of the mix and when that gets into your body, some more chlorine dioxide probably gets released. But that won't happen with the CDS.

So maybe Jim will decide 1 ml of this CDS is more like a 4 drop dose.

We'll just have to wait for Jim on this. I'm sure he is working on this diligently to arrive at a conclusion.

Michael

I made another batch of CDS according to Jim's recipe today and came out with the same test results.

1ml diluted with 2 oz distilled water = 100 ppm clear match with chart
1ml diluted with 4 oz distilled water = 50 ppm clear match with chart
1ml diluted with 6 oz distilled water = 25 ppm approximate, not clear match

I have a friend who is making CDS according to Jim's instructions and he is getting 100 ppm results on a 2 oz dilution also. The 100 ppm is a clear reading that matches the color chart well.

So it appears to me that following Jim's instructions should yield a CDS that has 5900 ppm undiluted.

Michael