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02 Dec 2011 23:53
  • pam
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And, truly, Steve, the only thing I'm concerned with is the consistency of dose (which I'm sure most of us are thinking about) - the forced air method is really great - IMHO -

When I made my first 2 batches there was enough gas left over to be significant to me (hey, I cleaned out some of the mold in my back pantry, LOL) - I think this method removes a lot of that and puts it back into the CDS, where it has value.

I'm just looking (over time) for consistency of dose.
02 Dec 2011 23:34
  • kwag
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Steve,

As long as you have an opening on the end, there's hardly any pressure build up!
But I understand your concern, and If I were to build a device for sale, yes indeed I wouldn't use the hot water method :)
But for MY batches, I'd prefer the hot method, because the gas is forced faster to the collector.
BTW, a hybrid system would work even better, and that is, the hot water WITH the pump!
That would force a continuous flow of air through the system, and avoid buildup in the generator chamber ;)

-Karl
02 Dec 2011 23:04
  • Bagalamukhi
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And would it be ok to carrying it around all day, not keeping it in the fridge like with the mms?

Thank you very much for your replies
02 Dec 2011 22:40
  • townsend
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I haven't gotten setup yet-- still waiting on delivery of double hole stoppers.

Anyway-- I have an idea that might make the Andreas Kalcker setup more efficient.

In regard to the tube that goes into the CDS jar. If you were to blow air through it-- there would be-- X amount of air flow at a given pressure. I'm thinking of plugging up the end, and using a hot pin to put lots of little pin size holes at the bottom of the tub. Enough to enable the tube to once again handle X amount of air flow or CD gas, at the same pressure.

In this way, the CDS exhaust tube would create lots of little bubbles, and that the smaller bubbles would allow more of the CD gas to dissolve in the water, than the large bubbles would, thus making the apparatus more efficient.

Also, if need be, it might be necessary to have the CDS tube spiral around the bottom of the jar, so that all the pin size holes are at or near the bottom of the container, thus maximizing the travel distance to the surface, and giving the CD gas the best chance of being completely dissolved.
02 Dec 2011 22:20
  • kwag
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As far as I can tell, it seems the hot water method is way faster to complete the process.
There's no way that the forced air can finish the process faster, because the Chlorine Dioxide is still generated at a lower % than with the hot water.
I've done two batches, and they complete in less than 5 minutes with the hot water bath. There's no way that any pump could make the process faster, unless a "Hot Air" pump was used. And that would heat the cold water in the collector.
And then, you would have to consider a good air filter, because I wouldn't want dust and air polutants aggregated to the gas mixture. I think Andreas method is hard to beat, and that's the method I will continue to use, because it "Just Works (tm)" :)

-Karl
02 Dec 2011 21:30
  • Nir
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Pam, I still do not understand why would the water Absorb more with a pump then without one... i mean there is a limit that the water can not absorb any more and if it is still can why would it NOT absorb it from the bubbles that come without a pump and WILL absorb it if the bubbles comes with the aid of a pump.

It is just doesn't make sense to me.... :-)
02 Dec 2011 21:29
  • pam
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I would wait and do the DMSO at the time that you are actually administering the dose. DMSO shortens the life of the CD, so I wouldn't put it in a bottle in advance. Usually, with the regular protocol, Bishop Humble says to put the MMS on first, and THEN put the DMSO on top of it.
02 Dec 2011 21:18
  • pam
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In the US, we have syringes (shot apparatuses) that are in 3mL and 1mL sizes. They measure in mLs, which I think is important, and have markings on the barrels to indicate partial amounts. I remove the needle and discard it (I actually use a needle nose pliers and curl it up into itself, and then put it back in the shield, so it's not a true "needle" any longer) - I use the needle-less barrels to measure my doses. I use the 3mL for me (draw up a 1mL dose) and the 1mL for my cat (draw up a .1mL dose) My dose I put in a shot glass full of water. For my cat, I continue to pull water into the syringe until I have a .9 or 1.0 mL dose complete, and then I use that for my cat. I can't speak to the dropper bottles - those doses seemed to me to be not as exact as the syringes. I looked for what Andreas had, but none of the droppers actually had measurements on them. To store the CDS, I have most of it in a quart jar, which I keep in the fridge. I also have a 2oz PET container (got it at the drug store, they gave it to me for free) - and that's what I use for my "working" container. The PET container is the kind that the drugstore would - say - make a cough syrup and put it in the 2oz container for sale to the public. it works fine with the syringe barrel.

Hello everyone. I just made my first batch of cds today and would like some advice on storage. I'm thinking a 100 ml dropper bottle would be convenient for measuring out the 1cc/ml of cds but they have a rubber seal along with the rubber thing you squeeze to suck the liquid up the tube. Will the cds melt/harm the rubber? Please let me know asap please because I bought the bottles with the droppers and am now afraid to use them. (I just checked the video with Andreas and he is using the same type of dropper bottle in his video) But if anyone has heard that it's not good or fine, please let me know.

Thanks for all the great posts on this topic. I'm going to be using the cds mixed with dmso for a leg infection and will let you know how it works. We are going to be applying it to the skin - hoping the dmso will take the cds into the infection through the skin.


Take care,
Scott

PS. I'll post my pics of my setup when I get a chance - I just drilled holes in plastic bottle caps. :P

02 Dec 2011 21:12
  • pam
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Nir, Steve can answer, but as I see it from what he has posted, he gets a much higher ppm via this message. (Which, of course, means you will need to adjust your doses!) It seems to utilize more of the MMS/CA into the infusion liquid.
02 Dec 2011 18:29
  • Nir
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Can someone please explain what are you trying to achieve by using this method?
Is there any different between CDS created with a pump and CDS created without one?

thanks
Nir
02 Dec 2011 18:23
  • townsend
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Just getting started here.

I think this might be useful. It's a PDF with instructions on how to cut and bend glass tubing.

It doesn't seem too difficult.

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02 Dec 2011 17:43
  • Nir
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You are right lily

I think all those people here that are trying to develop other method to make the CDS should open a new thread for that. because i can see how this simple thing turn into a complicate scientific thing that is confusing people.

For now, Lily, I would suggest to you to just ignore all those posts here and just do it as it is shown at the video of Andreas Kalcker (the first post of this thread) and you can use distilled water or saline with ice around it.

Nir
02 Dec 2011 17:24
  • lily8543
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Hello All,

I am really excited about this new process as I like many others simply cannot handle the MMS taste. But being new to this all this science talk is just confusing my little brain! PPM? Also people seem to be doing extra things with pumps etc that I don’t understand? I thought from the video all you needed was 2 bottles, some tubing, and a needle to let out the excess gas and then a bowel with hot water to help the process and a bowel with ice in it to keep the water or saline cool. Not trying to seem ungrateful with everyones comments just want to make this and feel a bit over my head right now :(

Lily
02 Dec 2011 17:08
  • Truthquester
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Hello everyone. I just made my first batch of cds today and would like some advice on storage. I'm thinking a 100 ml dropper bottle would be convenient for measuring out the 1cc/ml of cds but they have a rubber seal along with the rubber thing you squeeze to suck the liquid up the tube. Will the cds melt/harm the rubber? Please let me know asap please because I bought the bottles with the droppers and am now afraid to use them. (I just checked the video with Andreas and he is using the same type of dropper bottle in his video) But if anyone has heard that it's not good or fine, please let me know.

Thanks for all the great posts on this topic. I'm going to be using the cds mixed with dmso for a leg infection and will let you know how it works. We are going to be applying it to the skin - hoping the dmso will take the cds into the infection through the skin.

Take care,
Scott

PS. I'll post my pics of my setup when I get a chance - I just drilled holes in plastic bottle caps. :P
02 Dec 2011 13:20
  • kwag
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OK, here's my thought... Check the ppm in a regular dose of 3 drops of MMS and 3 drops of 50% citric acid, and then check the ppm in your 1mL dose of CDS. You can buy chlorine dioxide test strips 0-500 ppm for around $10.


+1 to that, Pam!
02 Dec 2011 13:09
  • pam
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I'm going to throw out something here - just a suggestion - as we all know, anything is toxic in too large a dose. Even water.

OK, here's my thought... Check the ppm in a regular dose of 3 drops of MMS and 3 drops of 50% citric acid, and then check the ppm in your 1mL dose of CDS. You can buy chlorine dioxide test strips 0-500 ppm for around $10.

If you have a VERY STRONG CDS formulation, you may need less of it per dose, to get to the same ppm as "old style MMS" - or you could add more water to your base batch to dilute it. If you're selling it, the ability to dilute would certainly make it more cost effective.

These are just noodlings, and I may be making more work for myself thinking this way, but it's been something going around in my mind. For me, my concern was that I might have too few ppms in my CDS - just wanted to be as consistent as I could.
02 Dec 2011 03:40
  • vorbius
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@Steve
How did you bend the glass tube? Can you explain in detail? I would love to try that!
02 Dec 2011 00:31
  • Cyd
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You can get everything shown - except for the custom bent glass tubing - at Amazon. They actually have quite an array of lab glass and equipment! Though there are cheaper places. There's some kind of "Surplus" website that often has lab glass. But I don't remember what it's called.
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