started mms ,dmso protocol ,teeth hurt?

Poler, after hearing about your teeth sensativity and the gummy feeling and how they seemed to suck up the color of the tea I would highly recommend that you don't use any CLO2 at all in your mouth for a long time, like maybe 6 months. As a matter of fact I think if I were you I'd eat nothing but soft foods that don't require any grinding etc and I wouldn't even brush my teeth for a week or 2 in an attempt to help my teeth heal their enamel problem.

By the way, the reason why I used CDH on my teeth was because I thought I had an infection but it was really just an exposed nerve and I should have just gone to the dentist.

Sorry to be so pessimistic but I don't want you to have the same problems I now have.

Regarding ppm concentration, I make 500 ml of 75 ppm about once a week to use to brush my teeth with and I just keep that unrefridgerated on a shelf in my bathroom. By the time I get to the bottom of the bottle I figure the ppm has dropped to about 40 ppm which should still be plenty strong enough to do a good job.

Hope that helps. All the best.

Scott McRae

Scott, thanks for your comments.

First of all, no one is suggesting to use CDS or CDH full strength for teeth brushing. Putting 3000 ppm or 3500 ppm concentration CLO2 in a mouth would not be a good idea. If trying to eliminate an infection in a tooth gum area, a Q-tip dipped in strong CDS or CDH applied directly to the gum would probably be okay to do.

If we follow Jim Humble's Teeth Brushing Protocol in his latest book, we find that using his recipe of 5 activated drops of MMS added to 60 ml of water results in a CLO2 concentration of 57 ppm. That number came from using my non-ingested chart and the formula:
Concentration (ppm) = Dose (mg CLO2) divided by Volume (liters) [3.4 mg / 0.060 L = 57 ppm]

Using the fourth dilution calculator at EndMemo.com we find that when using 3000 ppm CDS, about 1 ml of CDS added to 60 ml of water will result in about 57 ppm CLO2 concentration.

Since Nola used 50% citric acid to activate MMS for use in brushing teeth, I suspect citric acid might be the problem. Recall that many people, including Andreas Kalcker, have said that 50% citric acid is way too strong an acid activator for making MMS1. Using 4% HCL is Jim's current recommendation for activating MMS.

Hi CLO2,
I have no problem with 57 ppm or even 75 as I've said I use. My main concern with our friend here is that she's obviously got a problem now with what she's done so far based on her description of what's going on with her teeth and it appears to me its an enamel problem. I don't know for sure what the cause is; maybe the citric acid, maybe the dmso, maybe the enamel on her teeth was already thin and so even 57 ppm was the culprit, or maybe its the combination of everything. I really don't know. At this point though, again because of what she's describing, I would recommend that she stop doing anything she's been doing and give her teeth a break and just go see a dentist.

I do tend to agree that the citric acid may be the primary problem because I remember when I used to brush my teeth with MMS made using it, my teeth also had somewhat of a sticky feel when I clenched them together. However since dmso is a solvent, it makes sense to me it, since its helping with penetration, may be part of the problem too.

Truthquester and CLO2
Thankyou for you comments, they are helpful in trying to figure this thing out.

I think it was definitely the citric acid component that triggered my teeth, at the least.
When I was swishing around the mouth with salt water and myrrh tincture following ceasing the protocol, I could taste the citric acid coming out of my mouth.

So I think the acid component was a factor.
However, if you have a solution like CDS, is there still an acid component in that?
I would have thought not because it is a gas in solution?
So what component of CDS would potentially be damaging to the teeth at high concentration - is there something other than the
acid component?

I feel like my teeth have settled and are nearly back to normal. Gummy feeling is long gone,
and only the faintest of sensitivities upon brushing. Constant swishing with salt water and myrrh has pretty much normalised the colour again.
And I have also packed some teeth around with clay quite frequently over the past few days, just to help things out.
I am hoping there is no permanent damage.

I definitely have infection underneath ceramic crowns, as seen on xray in a recent dentist visit, which is why I still want to be able to use the CDS with DMSO
to try and nail those infections.
The one infection I can really feel has gone pretty quiet actually, but I still think it needs more knocking back.

I have been swishing once in the mornings the last few mornings with DMSO and magnesium oil and a bit of pure water, and this seems to have a
beneficial effect - the DMSO on its own doesnt seem to compromise teeth..
I have also in the past tried swishing DMSO with iodine, but because it stained teeth, I didnt continue long enough to see if it could wipe out the infection -
but it definitely didnt compromise the teeth in any way that could be noticed.
I think its probably just the DMSO with the citric acid that creates an issue.

I definitely feel like the enamel was in a very compromised position after the 4 times I followed the protocol recipe.
I fortunately did intuitively start eating soft foods and stop brushing, and did my other stuff to try and bring the teeth back quickly.

Nola, the beauty of CDS is that it is supposed to be just CLO2 gas in distilled water. Using the original method of heating the reactor solution of MMS & citric acid/HCL apparently could cause some of those ingredients to gas out and into the CDS. With the overnight, non-heating method that problem should not happen.

You might try making CDS in a fridge for that reason plus the colder the distilled water, the more CLO2 gas will be absorbed. The CLO2 gas that will escape from the container will be kept inside the fridge and will kill any bad critters in there, too!

Glad your teeth are returning to 'normal.'

Infections under crowns is a big problem. Happened to me, too. Try holding the CDS + DMSO solution on those teeth. Remember that DMSO will reduce CLO2 content, so only add DMSO right before using CDS.

I just measured the pH of a 60 ml solution of filtered water + 1 ml of CDS. First, the water itself measured 6.07 pH and when I added the CDS the pH went down to 4.97. So, the solution is acidic. The filtered water has zero TDS in it, but it is not distilled water which may be even more acidic.

Glad to here your teeth are feeling better Poler.
You asked the following question: "So what component of CDS would potentially be damaging to the teeth at high concentration - is there something other than the
acid component?"
Emphasis on, "at high concentration", I like to think of CLO2 as creating differing degrees of heat dependent upon how concentrated it is and this heat (which is actually the ability to oxidize substances) is what burns things up, especially pathogens. The heat can be low (like 0.5 to 2 ppm to purify water or use in eye drops for something like pink eye) or very hot (like 3500 ppm to burn skin cancer off the skin) The higher the ppm is the more able it is to burn and kill good human cells, so this is when we need to be the most careful. Also the duration of exposure needs to be factored in. If you take a welding torch and hold it on a piece of metal for a fraction of a second, even though it is extremely hot, it won't do any damage to it. But if you hold it there for a minute, it might burn a hole right through it. So heat times duration is very important. This is why I feel comfortable using 75 ppm to brush my teeth twice a day - in my mind it's just warm, not hot. I use CDH diluted down to that. Since I make my CDH using HCl, I always rinse my mouth after brushing just to be safe and make sure there isn't any leftover acid there.

In my mind the other factor to consider would be the DMSO. It is a solvent and solvents help with penetration. I know on one hand, to try to get at an infection, DMSO can be a good thing, but on the other hand, if DMSO is helping the CLO2 to penetrate healthy cells (new enamel cells), then I would think that would be a bad thing. I'm really okay with doing some cellular damage to healthy cells - like skin cells for example, because I know they can grow back fairly easily and quickly, but I'm not so sure about tooth enamel cells. Maybe it's not a problem though - I just don't know.

Anyway, more food for thought for ya maybe.

Hope you get over your infection one way or another. All the best.

Scott McRae

CLO2,
thanks for the hint of making it in the fridge, I will next time , it seems a good idea

Thanks for measuring the acidity of the solution - given that it is acidic, I think that I will just brush my teeth as normal,
and then swish the CDS/water solution in the mouth afterwards as opposed to brushing it on.
It seems to me that that would be more benign for the tooth enamel .

I did read about the DMSO killing of the CLO2 so I will add that just as I am about to use it..

Generally the protocol with acids on the teeth is that you dont brush after teeth have been exposed to something acidic - so i think extra safety
precautions with using CDS or similar is to just let the teeth settle afterwards and make sure they arent exposed to anything for a while at that point-
or swish with a baking soda/water mix to return alkalinity?

i think I am going to rest my teeth for longer to make sure they are truly restored, and then approach it all pretty carefully.
I dont want to give up on this idea of being able to get rid of the infection - if I cant i cant, but its worth trying, otherwise its goodbye teeth!

Scott,
thanks for your analysis, it is helpful for me to get a perspective on this, and how to approach it.

I did actually originally watch a video of a guy on you tube who was using straight DMSO and activated MMS to kill his tooth infection, no dilution,
brushing it on - and it seemed to have worked for him without negative side effects -
I would say I could not get away with this though!

I agree with diluting it to an appropriate concentration and rinsing after - that is what I will be doing

I have used DMSO quite a lot in other applications - topically for excercise recovery, strains, joints etc.
And I do take it internally at high dosage, 3-6 tsp a day, on days when i am not doing close socialization (the smell).
Originally I used to take it every day - and when I first started taking it it actually nuked the infection in my mouth for many months, it was completely silent-
but eventually came back , and the continuance of the internal DMSO did not seem to have a further effect.
Anyway - so i know it can have a positive effect of knocking back infection , even on its own.

I am not sure how it will work with taking the CLO2 into tooth cells - but I guess i will find out, lol

It seems to me that the trick is to get a high enough CDS/MMS concentration to kill of infection , without damaging teeth,
and then being able to factor in the penetration powers of DMSO into that.

I will let you know how it goes..

cheers
Nola

Poler wrote: and others develop issues?

It's the citric acid residue in MMS1, as CLO2 mentioned early on. HCL residue has same effect - MMS1 makes the problem worse. Learned that the hard way myself.
Use CDS or CDH.

Problem is solved it looks like but doesn't hurt to repeat that MMS1 is a no-no for abscessed teeth.