Application: CDS eye drops "CDeyeS"

Hey Kwag - 2 things. You say you are adding water to the baby bottle along with the sodium chlorite and citric acid; as far as I know you just use the sodium chlorite and citric acid without water.

Secondly - is that a rice cooker in the background of the photo? I made some CDS on the weekend using a rice cooker filled with water to heat the baby bottle in & it worked beautifully.

kevink wrote: Hey Kwag - 2 things. You say you are adding water to the baby bottle along with the sodium chlorite and citric acid; as far as I know you just use the sodium chlorite and citric acid without water.

Nope. No way to activate without any liquid! That's because I'm using sodium chlorite flakes and citric acid powder, so they are both dry.
I add about an ounce of plain tap water. No need for that to be distilled or filtered, because that's for the activation chamber.

Secondly - is that a rice cooker in the background of the photo? I made some CDS on the weekend using a rice cooker filled with water to heat the baby bottle in & it worked beautiflly.

Yes indeed! , that's my wife's rice cooker in the background. But I don't use it for CDS. Only for rice
I use the glass measure you see there, and I put it in the microwave oven for about a minute. The water comes out very hot, and speeds up the process a lot!

-Karl

Any reason for not making the MMS and resultant CDS as per the tried & true methods? Looks like it works so that's great, just want to be sure others are perfectly clear on what you're doing and not getting confused with what we've all been taught. Your method does simplify things for sure, no need to make MMS or citric acid solutions first.

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kevink wrote: Any reason for not making the MMS and resultant CDS as per the tried & true methods?

Although the standard methods do work great and are correct, and I also recommend people to use them, I guess I always try to improve on just about anything I do!
The way I do it generates far mode Chlorine Dioxide gas than adding less liquid solutions. Still, it's Chlorine Dioxide being produced, but in a more concentrated form. So the process is speeded up by about 5 times. And the extra mix that stays in the baby bottle, I put it to good use on a large spray bottle for house cleaning.

Looks like it works so that's great, just want to be sure others are perfectly clear on what you're doing and not getting confused with what we've all been taught. Your method does simplify things for sure, no need to make MMS or citric acid solutions first.

Indeed, and I'm just describing my own way to create the same target product, just a different way. There's always margin for improvement, as long as it's beneficial for everyone and the final product is the same or better.
As for the MMS, I follow Andreas Kalcker recommendation for citric acid, where it has been tested that there's no need for 50% citric acid, and actually the ideal % is between 35 to 40%.
He talked about that on one of his conferences. And it does make a hell of a difference on the stomach
I just usually wait about minute and a half for complete activation before adding water, if I use the standard MMS. I personally have mixed feelings about the 20 second activation time. There's still too much sodium chlorite and citric acid "unreacted" in that short time, so I just make sure I get the most Chlorine Dioxide and less of the other "By Products" left.
But that's another complete "off topic" topic

Cheers,
-Karl

CLO2 wrote: Hello, Karl. Very interesting methods you use!

To be sure I understand your method to generate CDS, I will list the steps & please tell me if I am wrong.

1. Add to a small baby bottle:
a. 1 tsp NaCLO2 flakes
b. 1 tsp citric acid crytals
c. 1 fl oz water

2. Connect the gas tube from the baby bottle to a container filled with distilled water. You say the bottle is filled with 1 gallon of water, but the bottle in the picture with graduations on the side (4, 8, 12, 16, 20) appears to be in fluid ounces, so I would guess that bottle holds 32 fl ounces or 1 quart.

I clearly posted about that in the case of the picture, where I was making a little over 24 Oz. so I was using about 1/4 teaspoon of each in the reaction bottle.

3. Immerse the baby bottle in hot water.

4. When the baby bottle solution is clear, the process is finished.

The process will finish way before the solution in the baby bottle is clear!
You'll notice that after around 5 minutes, the CDS just doesn't change color any darker. So after about 6 to 7 minutes, I shut off the air pump and fill glass bottles from the produced CDS. I don't leave the CDS in any plastic container. I should have mentioned that earlier.
And as a matter of fact, you'll probably get a gallon and a half of CDS. But I do it on purpose so the leftover solution I can use for house cleaning, etc.

5. You used an air pump to force the CLO2 gas from the baby bottle.

All units are US units, not UK or metric.

Thanks.

--Charlotte

US Ounces. Correct

-Karl


EDIT: And by all means, PLEASE do this in a WELL ventilated area!!!
I have two ceiling fans running and kitchen door wide open!

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Hi kwag,

Thanks for your information on the eye drops and the alternative method of making CDS.

Could you please specify how much a teaspoon is?

In Europe, a teaspoon is a very vague unit of measurement.
Teaspoons come in many sizes. And then there's the whole thing about whether it was heaped, and how much it was heaped etc etc.

Could you give us the measurements of the sodium chlorite flakes/citric acid in weight, please?

I want to try your method.

Thanks.

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I forgot to ask you:
Do the sodium chlorite flakes dissolve alright in this mix right away, in such a short span of time?
And I guess you shake/stirr the reaction chamber a lot during the process?

Also, how long would you say the whole process takes? You mentioned it recuces the time by about 5 mins. How much is the process in total?

Thanks again.

Neilson wrote: Hi kwag,

Thanks for your information on the eye drops and the alternative method of making CDS.

Could you please specify how much a teaspoon is?

In Europe, a teaspoon is a very vague unit of measurement.
Teaspoons come in many sizes. And then there's the whole thing about whether it was heaped, and how much it was heaped etc etc.

Could you give us the measurements of the sodium chlorite flakes/citric acid in weight, please?

I want to try your method.

Thanks.

Hi Neilson,

Ok by weight, one teaspoon (My kitchen teaspoon ) of Sodium Chlorite is around 10 grams.
Same measure for the citric acid.
One might argue why not half the weight for the citric acid for a 50% solution? Because I wanted a faster and denser reaction.

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I forgot to ask you:
Do the sodium chlorite flakes dissolve alright in this mix right away, in such a short span of time?

Yes they do! specially when you have the chamber on a hot water bath.

And I guess you shake/stirr the reaction chamber a lot during the process?

You can, but only once every couple of minutes. No need to shake constantly if you do it this way.

Also, how long would you say the whole process takes? You mentioned it recuces the time by about 5 mins. How much is the process in total?

Thanks again.

As I mentioned, in about 5 to 6 minutes a gallon of water is saturated and done. The color stays the same even after 10 minutes, but then you see the color in the reaction chamber starting to lighten up.
So if you want to time it, set a timer for 7 minutes, start the pump, and when the timer triggers you're done!
Turn the pump off, remove the tubbing and fill your glass bottles from the gallon of water, then cleanup. AGAIN, ON A HIGHLY VENTILATED PLACE.

You probably don't need the full 10 grams, because as I said before, I use what's left on the chamber (baby bottle) for cleaning purposes, diluted in 32 ounces or a little more of water.
So with just 10 grams of Sodium Chlorite and 10 grams of Citric Acid, you can probably make close to a gallon and a half of CDS.

-Karl

What is the air pump (size, etc.) to buy and anything in addition to the air pump (accessories)?