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Note: Jim has now indicated 1/2 teaspoon is the standard dose of MMS2 for a 200 lb person, see Protocol 4000

Paul has some good info here on MMS posted on another group. Apparently Paul is the original manufacturer of the capsules and says Jim settled on 400 mg. as the proper dose.

Gianluca,
It's your call what you do, but please pay attention that these capsules advertised on the NZ site are 700mg. What Jim Humble is suggesting if you make your own with pool shock granules would only be around 250mg. After consulting with Jim, and as the original manufacturer of the MMS2 capsules we settled on 400mg of powder. That is a heavy dose. Powerful but tolerable. The second thing you should pay attention to is Jim Humbles suggested protocols on his site, and even then I would start slowly to see how you get on with them. Your response will depend very much on your current level of health. I don't think it's prudent to go in excess of Jims protocol. I certainly wouldn't, and I feel sure that I'm the first person who ever ate one of these capsules as we were making them to Jims specification before he had even announced them. If you exceed the protocol dose *and* you're taking 700mg per cap, bearing in mind that the 3x8oz glasses of water is sufficient to convert the calibrated capsule to hypochlorous acid, then you should be drinking more water, perhaps 4-5 8oz glasses. If you multiply that by 8 capsules per day (40 glasses of water!?!) you've got quite a challenge on your hands.

In short, I would seriously try to dissuade you from attempting this. What antioxidants/neutralisers/absorbants do you have on hand?

Regards
Paul

Remember this is the proper maximum dose and it is always good to start with 1/4 or 1/2 doses especially if someone is very sick. Also some may need smaller doses because of nausea, etc. Considering individual variability it is even conceivable to me some individuals could benefit from larger doses if it works for them. But it is good to know Jim's recommended maximum.

Michael

OK, for those of us without a lab scale that weighs in milligrams, how large a capsule (of "average" size cal-hypo granules) is 400 mg?

My personal experience, where we were working with #0 capsules in our training, was that HALF a #0 cap was as much as my body can effectively use in 2 hours - and I get DRAMATIC results with that dosage.

Also, not all cal-hypo is created equal. I recently got some that is 78% cal-hypo and is in finer granules than I've seen before, and it seems to be easier to take even though it's a higher concentration - perhaps the impurities make it more difficult to deal with internally.

Bruce

These are good points you bring up Bruce. I have some observations along these lines as well.

I don't have a lab scale either, but when I eyeballed it, one size 0 cap appears to hold a rounded 1/8th teaspoon.

Since the active ingredient is calcium hypochlorite (CH), then powders that vary in the percentage of content will have to vary in potency. So if someone is selling 750 mg capsules, it may be because of the percentage of CH. The Leslies that I buy is 73% and the granules appear to be pretty coarse to me.

Also when I read up on CH, I learned that it loses potency upon exposure to air, so keeping it in air tight containers is important. I have also now observed this first hand. I bought 1 lb. of Leslies pool shock about 8 months ago and filled up one, one-cup size jar and put an airtight lid on it. The rest filled up another one cup jar with a looser lid. I used up about 3/4 of the latter jar at first then stopped taking the mms2 so the jar sat 1/4 full with a lid that was not airtight for a few months.

Then I restarted taking the mms2 a few weeks ago and used up that 1/4 remaining amount, which I now realize had lost some potency. Because when I went to open the full jar with the airtight lid a week ago, the chlorine smell was extremely powerful, and the powder burned my mouth/throat much more than the old powder did. Remember both batches came from the same 1 lb. bought 8 mos. ago. So the only difference was the weaker one had had much more exposure to the air.

The question then is how potent and fresh is the calcium hypochlorite in the capsules that you buy? And does it keep well in capsules? At the Leslies Pool Supply I can buy 25, 50 and 100 lbs. containers of the CH, but if you do that then as you use it you want to keep it sealed well and put it into smaller airtight containers filled to the top. But the other thing you can do is just vary your dose according to the potency of your powder.

All these variables, plus your experience of getting a lot of benefit from half capsules, indicates we probably each need to figure out a dose that is best for us based on whatever powder we are using, pretty similar to MMS1 dosing. 400 mg or 1/8th teaspoon are loose rules of thumb that may vary under the circumstances.

Michael

Hi Michael, I take 2x mms 2 , 70% ,size 0 a day for maintenance is this ok ? I drink it with milk or Kefir .also do you know what the detox protocol is for new people is now as I cant seem to find it at all . Regards Michael M.

Welcome to the forum Michael M.!

There has not been a maintenance dose established for MMS2, but if it seems beneficial to you, I would keep taking it. Milk and Kefir should be fine and provide the water needed for activation.

The general starting protocol (for detox too) is protocol 1000, unless you have something life threatening or certain other circumstances.

Michael

Here are 3 links for protocol 1000:
The usual place to start is protocol 1000. Here are three links where you can find out more about it.
1. Effective use of sacraments page: genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55:effective-uses-of-sacraments&catid=34:healing-methodologies&Itemid=63
2. See Jim explain it and for pdf copy of protocol 1000 from his new book www.voiceofmms.com/fe/10262-protocol-1000-2000-and-mms2
3. Jim's site has a video and also tells how to make up all doses for the day in one container so it is easier to take each hour
jimhumble.biz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34&Itemid=61

question: is MMS 2 as effective against biofilms as MMS 1. What is the interaction that attacks biofilms?

Welcome to the forum Slyman!

As far as we know, MMS2 is equally effective as MMS1, probably that means with biofilms as well. What type of biofilm problem do you have in mind?

Here are some excerpts from Jim's new book about MMS and its penetrating ability.

Excerpt from Jim Humble, The Master Mineral of the Third Millennium (Get it now www.miraclemineral.org)

p. 114
How Does Hypochlorous Acid Work?
I have mentioned that hypochlorous acid is the main acid used by the
immune system to destroy pathogens and other microorganisms
unwanted in the body. The mechanism is somewhat different than
MMS1 (chlorine dioxide). MMS1 oxidizes the pathogens directly,
pulling away the electrons that hold their molecules together. MMS2
(hypochlorous acid) acts in a different manner. It destroys
microorganisms by carrying oxygen to the microorganism and then
the oxygen destroys the organism. Of course, once the hypochlorous
acid delivers the oxygen, the destruction is the same. The oxygen
pulls off the electrons that hold the pathogen’s skin together.

This is the basic idea of the chemical process:
1. The oxygen released by the hypochlorous acid is known as
nascent oxygen. That means it is extra active and much more
powerful than oxygen normally is, but only for a short period
of time. In this case that short period is plenty long enough to
do the job.
2. The formula of the hypochlorous acid is HOCl. As the HOCl
gets near a pathogen it pulls off a single electron. This
electron comes over to the HOCl and destroys it, releasing the
oxygen (O), the hydrogen (H), and the chlorine (Cl). The
oxygen then destroys the molecule in the pathogen. The
Hydrogen just becomes part of the body’s water, and the
chlorine becomes a chloride, which is table salt. Nature picked
this acid for use by the immune system to travel throughout
the body and into areas where the oxygen obtained from
breathing does not reach.
3. The hypochlorous acid acts as a carrier. It carries the oxygen
to places it cannot get to when traveling as oxygen. Traveling
in the hypochlorous acid, it is kept separate from various body
parts that it could oxidize, and when the hypochlorous acid
reaches a hidden pathogen deep in a tissue, it releases the
oxygen as mentioned in #2 above, in a nascent condition, to
do its job. It is an important mechanism that no pathogen has
ever developed a resistance to.
.........

p. 171
When ingested, MMS2 turns into a special weak acid that the human
immune system generates naturally to kill hundreds of different
pathogens and other things in the body that need killing. The name of
this acid is hypochlorous acid and it is a natural acid. It is considered
an oxidizer because in the presence of some proteins, it releases
nascent oxygen (very active oxygen).
Hypochlorous acid can penetrate deeply into body tissues before it
encounters the pathogen proteins and then it releases the powerful
nascent oxygen which oxidizes the pathogen. This release of nascent
oxygen is the special mechanism that MMS 2 uses and neither ozone
nor hydrogen peroxide can match it. Under certain conditions, the
body cannot generate enough hypochlorous acid to handle powerful
diseases. But when MMS 2 is taken, extra hypochlorous acid is
furnished to the body and in most cases, the disease is killed in just a
few hours or several days.