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I must apologize to David. I just read a personal email from him a couple weeks ago where he said that MMS does not cause oxidative stress. Sorry David. He did suggest that I take extra multivitamins and minerals though.

Not sure where but I am sure that I read to take at least 1000 mg. of C a couple hours after dosing for the day.

Roze I am in Florida, USA. The multivitamin that I take has a bit of spirulina in it. I know it's great stuff. Have gone through periods when I was taking it regularly.

I haven't experienced an oily sensation/taste yet. Might not.

Update us on your results! and hope you wont need to take meds any longer

My question is once I'm done with the protocol 1000 (5 weeks?), how long do I have to rest and start it again? Also my cd4 didn't change at all before and after the protocol, What does Jim say about that? How long does it take to see some results from MMS?

I'm thinking starting again but tomorrow I'm getting my results so hopefully my cd4 is better. Cheers

David has told me to do the protocol 1000 for 3 weeks at least, 4-5 if I can handle it would be good but Jim isn't saying that. The p1000 is for 3 weeks then do a maintenance dose every day (6 drops once a day). David suggested that I do the maintenance dose for a week. Longer if you are taking ARVs. I know that you aren't doing that. Let's see what David has to say. It is an individual thing for everyone. If you just finished the 5 weeks, your lab work tomorrow or very soon, your CD4 count may have changed, either up or down but your VL (if you get that test done) will probably have gone up due to all the dead pathogens in your blood from the MMS.

Jim and David are saying not to get blood work for about 3 months after the protocol or you will be disappointed.

Why are you doing the protocol again? In most cases, once should do the trick. I'm not an expert, just giving you my thoughts. Terry

Hi All,

We recently had a difficult HIV case come up where the westerner gentleman did the 3 week protocol and quit, then kept having herpes outbreaks and a few weeks later severe bronchial infections and herpes lesions that did not seem to respond to protocol 2000.

We asked Jim what to do in this case. Alluvia writing for Jim said, "Jim says that he was seeing people cured of HIV during 3 weeks of protocol 1000 in Africa, but most westerners are reporting longer healing times for HIV--sometimes up to several months of treatment. This gentleman has many layers of disease and that takes a long time for the body to heal. ... He must get on the protocol 1000 --not 2000-- and stay on it for as long as it takes for all symptoms of disease to go away. If he has already taken tests at this time, he will probably not be happy about the results. He is in the phase of healing where the MMS has brought a lot of the virus out of the organs and into the bloodstream and it is fighting to survive by multiplying. Protocol 2000 is for when 1000 is not working. Sometimes too much medicine works against the body. It would be reasonable to take protocol 4000, which is only the MMS2, OR protocol 1000. BUT DON"T STOP UNTIL ALL SYMPTOMS HAVE GONE!"

This advice is consistent with what David Kiango recommends in such a hard case of HIV. It is best with HIV at least in westerners to stay on protocol 1000 for a long time till all symptoms are gone. I think this also means until you are off all medications AND all symptoms are gone. It appears HIV responds best to protocol 1000 which is low, steady doses of MMS1.

HIV complicated with herpes or any other complication is a more difficult case and 3 weeks is probably not nearly long enough in that situation. Herpes buries itself in your cells and goes dormant where nothing can get at it, and then comes back out when conditions are right. If I was a westerner with HIV, I would stay on that protocol 1000 till I was off all meds and all symptoms were long gone and blood tests were normal.

And if I had herpes too, then I might have to embark on protocol 2000 or something more intense once the HIV is long gone.

I am just trying to share the best info I have. I think Jim knows what typically works in Africa but with westerners it seems we are still learning and there are more complications.

Michael

Thanks Michael for sharing a summing things up for all of us, perhaps extending the protocol 1000 to a 10 or 12 hour dosing per day ever hour can bring better results when combating virus's that keep trying to reproduced, maintenance doses are also not to be ignored they are alot more important than we take it, thanks Terry for sharing things I have limited internet connection currently so will keep it short till later.

If herpes and other hard to get rid of conditions exist than protocol 1000+ could be the best way to tackle multiple conditions if it is extreme, otherwise simple MMS1 over a longer or repeated protocol 1000 should be enough, need to get more info about treating herpes seems to be a common thing in HIV cases as it hides and can come back after a period.

Testing would be [perhaps every 3 months and still results would be up and down and hopefully like an upwards graph if helped with exercise, healthy nutrition/diet, sunlight and laughter etc....

Thanks,

Hi Michael, Thanks for asking Jim about this.

I have been wondering if perhaps African HIV/AIDS is not the same thing as American/Western HIV/AIDS. We hear about people in Africa who were never tested for HIV, just diagnosed with AIDS if they have malnutrition, diarrhea and other conditions. I wonder how many of Jim's successful cases were actually tested for HIV. Those who weren't may have just been cured of other things, not HIV.

I had a couple of bouts of Herpes about 18-20 years ago. I don't recall it ever returning after those two. I also had a bad case of shingles in 2000, when I was diagnosed with HIV. They have not flared up again. However, when I was deathly ill back in 2009, I was diagnosed with Encephalitis, caused by Toxoplasmosis. The doctors told me that Toxoplasmosis stays dormant in the body generally for life and that about 95 % of the global population has been exposed to it. It usually flares up when a person's immune system is stressed severely by any number of things. The docs assumed that it flared up in me because I had stopped taking ARVs for 18 months and my CD4 count went down to 50. Toxoplasmosis is a parasite found in soil and is also found in bird poop, cat poop and bat poop...among other things.

I was concerned that if the MMS lowered my CD4 count below 200, the Toxoplasmosis might flare up again. However, I would think that the MMS would attack and kill it as well as any other pathogen/virus/bacteria in my system. The doctors told me as long as my CD4 count stayed above 200, Toxo should not be a problem.

I do not know if Herpes will flare up again but after almost 20 years, I had figured that it had left my system. Guess we shall see. I will wait to hear more from David on all of this and then decide how to continue with the protocol 1000. I am halfway through my third week and was planning on doing 4 or 5 and then maintenance doses daily....or staying on the p1000 at least until I go off the ARVs, which I am still taking daily. I am also taking baths with MMS1 and DMSO and will begin taking Kalonji (Black Seed) oil today. Eating lots of garlic, as well. Currently, I have no symptoms of anything other than the side effects of the ARVs, which are manageable. I am actually pretty healthy considering. CD4 count above 400 (will get latest test results taken prior to doing MMS) this Thursday) and VL undetectable for around a year.

Thanks again to all. Cheers!

Hey David,

from your point of view, do you think there is a possibility of taking MMS for too long? I mean can we harm ourselves at some point. What would be the longest period to take MMS three drops an hour you reckon?

Personally, I feel extremely good while am taking mms (i would even carefully use a word addiction). Good sleep, good eating habits, no laziness, great motivation for work, lots of excitement for life, clear mind, proactive, hard-working mood - in other words balanced life.

Im done with 4 weeks of mms and dont want to stop

Another question, would it be wise to be taking MMS and at the same time give blood sample for CD4 and viral load testing?

Thanks David
Appreciate

R