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Re: Precipitate formation in MMSI solutioin 25 Jun 2012 10:18 #19180

pam Offline Platinum Boarder Posts: 4593 Thank you received: 3702	Steve can answer, probably more knowledgeably than I, but if it were mine, I'd say filter out the paper and continue to use it. activated MMS turns brownish - It hasn't been activated, so you should be OK. The following user(s) said Thank You: secretariat1844
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Re: Precipitate formation in MMSI solutioin 27 Jun 2012 15:09 #19269

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Thanks Madam.PAM.

Just wondering, if its the paper or plastic from the bottle cap liner how does it disappeared during heating and reappeared again? From my visual inspection, it didnt look like paper or plastic but more like chemical precipitates. Well, filtering out the precipitates might change the concentration of sodium chlorite in solution? Any comments?!

Hope to get a reply from Mr. Steve.

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Re: Precipitate formation in MMSI solutioin + mixing "how to" 04 Jul 2012 22:48 #19481

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hello this is my first post in this forum :unsure:

if the bottle is new and after some days you have flake precipitates contact with the seller. I think this is a bad batch.

After I read some messages and web pages, books... I see a bit of confusion around.

In this case or some water vaporized or the producer put too much NaClO2 in the water, or the NaClO2 have a low concentration and, again put too much of "NaClO2" in low concentration = more quantity of others salts can result in precipitates because water have a solubility limit for every salt, with NaClO2 = Solubility in water 39 g/100 mL (17 °C)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_chlorite
this mean water not dissolve more than 39gr in 100 ml (more temp more dissolution power but when temp drops...)

so if you want to do 100ml of MMS1 use 28gr of NaClO2 flakes @ 80% this result in a MMS1 solution of 22,4%
in reality for a solution of 28% with flakes @ 80% you need 35 grames of this NaClO2 but the last book say NOW MMS1 is a solution @ 22,4%, right ???

also to make a solution of citric acid @ 50% you need 50gr of acid in 100ml water, right ?

I do this 2 days ago and the taste is diferent from my last bottles purchased.

update before post, I check my bottle of MMS1 and some dust are in the bottom, agitated a bit and nothing around. the users of opaque bottles never known what are inside their bottles or what is happening...

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llucifer.in

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Re: Precipitate formation in MMSI solutioin 05 Jul 2012 04:33 #19501

mouli Topic Author Offline New Member Posts: 16 Thank you received: 6	Hai pneumatician Welcome to the forum.. I agree with you if the flakes appear in few weeks time of purchase. In my case, I noticed after one year of purchase and the flakes appeared because of the sodium chlorite reaction with the bottle liner. For the MMS preparation, the administers would give you the proper procedure..
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Re: Precipitate formation in MMSI solutioin 07 Jul 2012 15:54 #19608

mouli Topic Author Offline New Member Posts: 16 Thank you received: 6	Glad to see your reply, Mr. Steve. Thank you. I have used the syringe type- Filter made of PES membrane with the housing material of Meta acrylate butadiene styrene polymerisate (MBS). Its a high flow- 0.2um filter from Sartorius Stedim.. I c.. then, there is some presence of chemical impurities together with sodium chlorite and these chemicals tends to precipitate upon cooling!!!
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Re: Precipitate formation in MMSI solutioin 19 Jul 2012 09:20 #20115

mouli Topic Author Offline New Member Posts: 16 Thank you received: 6	I guess, the sun rays had weakened my MMS solution duing the precipitate removal process Be careful all!!!!!
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Precipitate formation in MMSI solutioin 09 Jan 2013 03:01 #28966

Whimzy Offline Junior Member Posts: 21 Thank you received: 3	i was actually still wondering if it is OK to use the mms if you see tiny flakes in it ? or is it necesary to disolve them its looking more like a snowy bottle by now thank you
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Precipitate formation in MMSI solutioin 17 Jan 2013 03:29 #29303

mouli Topic Author Offline New Member Posts: 16 Thank you received: 6	Well, I think it is necessary to dissolve them in order to maintain the concentration equal on every drop. Have you check the previous comments from Mr.Steve and Mdm. Pam? As suggested, you may wanna check the presence of any cap liner in your bottle cap. In my case, the flakes happened just because of cap liner. I did try to dissolve but it wasn't successful. Now, I bought a new bottle of MMS.
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