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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 10 Feb 2012 03:13 #12072

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Iodine Protects Against Fluoride Toxicity
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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 10 Feb 2012 03:20 #12073

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People that I met did some tests and paid for them from their own pocket .
They boiled fluoridated water (tap)in three different pots for 15 min
- glass
-stainless steel
-Teflon
Water was tested in the lab before and after.
After 15min fluoride content in glass and steel didn't change but almost tripled in teflon pot!
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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 10 Feb 2012 03:21 #12074

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First of all, you never find pure fluorine in water. The compounds used in water fluoridation are primarily Fluorosilicic acid (H2SiF6), an inexpensive liquid by-product of phosphate fertilizer manufacture, and to a lesser degree, Sodium fluorosilicate (Na2SiF6). The old standby, Sodium fluoride (NaF), is not used much anymore except by a handful of smaller water utilities and in toothpaste. Without belaboring the point, they all readily dissociate into sodium ions and hexafluorosilicate ions and then to hydrogen gas, hydrated silica, and fluoride ions — most commonly Hydrogen fluoride (HF). At the pH of drinking water (6.5-8.5) and at the concentration usually used for fluoridation (1 mg fluoride/L), the degree of hydrolysis is essentially 100%. And here’s the key to understanding how distillers get rid of fluoride: the boiling point of HF (the primary form of fluoride left in the water) is 67 degrees Fahrenheit (19.4° C) — way, way below the 212 degree boiling point of water. That means that long before the water in your still has turned to vapor, the HF has turned into a gas, and been largely vented off through the VOC vent long before it ever reaches the water reservoir. The bottom line is that a good distiller can significantly reduce fluoride levels in your drinking water. But don’t take my word for it; numerous university studies confirm it.



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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 10 Feb 2012 03:34 #12078

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Not Bill! I am neither an expert nor biochemical, only researched the best sources on the Internet. My major interest is to help.

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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 10 Feb 2012 05:16 #12087

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I agree Iodine supplementation protects thyroid from harmful fluoride.
Fluoride was used in past to suppress thyroid.
Fluoride is Halogen just like iodine the problem is that fluoride is "stronger". Therefore when fluoride enters the body it's atom
replaces iodine's atom and impairs thyroid function.One start to have under active thyroid ( Hypothyroidism2)even when blood test doesn't show it .To test If your thyroid is under active check your body temperature in the morning after you wake up for three days,keep thermometer close to your bed so don't have to get up (important).If you are below 97F 36.1C degrees you
have Hypothyroidism.I did the test my self and my temp was 35C !It can be corrected with careful iodine supplementation .
Lugols Solution is what I used which is Potassium iodide .LUGOL'S SOLUTION should be in every medicine cabinet.

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excessive sweating (at night too)
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doctorapsley.com/
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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 10 Feb 2012 17:58 #12142

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Does chlorine dioxide oxidize fluoride?

I was just thinking of a guess in terms of electronegativity. Since F has small radius and high electronegativity and Cl and O share with probably about the same electron affinity (as well as electronegativity, I haven't even looked it up), that there is no way Cl and O would lose electrons to an ion of F. I think my guess is supported by your correct use of oxidation potentials. But really I wonder if I should be using electronegativity and affinity.

Chlorine dioxide will not oxidize fluoride. The oxidizing and reducing powers of chemicals are given by their oxidation or reduction potentials. The oxidation of fluoride to fluorine requires an oxidizing agent with potential greater than +2.87 volts. Chlorine dioxide, however, only exhibits an oxidizing potential of +0.95 volts.

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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 10 Feb 2012 20:57 #12161

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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 10 Feb 2012 21:26 #12162

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Just speaking off the top of my head - so forgive the simplicity - but if I recall correctly fluoride is used in pharmaceuticals so often because it is "sticky". Devastating and sticky. Great combo.
You can deliver a drug into the system and fluoride will basically glue it in place. It doesn't sound as though there is any way chlorine dioxide can get rid of fluoride - might even form a new compound with it according to what alfernandes just posted. That puts us back at square one - having to physically separate fluoride from water.

Until there is found to be a way to get rid of fluoride IN the water without that process of physical separation, it looks like it must be dealt with in other ways. Monmorillonite, tamarind, and boron can remove it from the body, and then the challenge becomes not allowing it back in.
I know there's a lot of discussion about distilled vs. RO water - I'm leaning toward adding minerals to distilled. I've even pondered simply dropping plain old mineral supplements right into the water, shaking it up, capping off the container, leaving it to dissolve, and calling it a day.

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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 10 Feb 2012 23:22 #12172

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MWeather Excuse me most is not that we are commenting. We're talking about the interaction of Chlorine Dioxide with Fluoride (fluorine).This chemical process interferes with Chlorine Dioxide generating Chloryl Fluoride (CLO2F) understands.

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