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Chlorine Dioxide and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) 05 Feb 2021 20:31 #67799

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Chlorine Dioxide and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate)

I read in Jim’s book that if you have a Herx reaction because you took too much MMS that you can use 1 tsp of Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) to
neutralize the effects. It makes sense since MMS will stop reacting in an alkaline solution.

However with CDS and CDH the Chlorine Dioxide is already in the solution so adding Baking Soda will probably not help much there right?

Also I read somewhere that we should not take Baking Soda with Chlorine Dioxide since it will produce a lot of Carbon Dioxide in the body.

“Sodium bicarbonate reacts with chlorine to produce sodium chlorate, sodium chloride, carbon dioxide and water.”

I don’t know what Jim or Andreas would say about this?

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Chlorine Dioxide and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) 05 Feb 2021 20:44 #67800

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Baking soda will neturalize CLO2, not the activation of MMS with 4% HCL activator.

Yes, baking soda will kill CLO2 in both CDS and CDH if you add enough.
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Chlorine Dioxide and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) 03 Jun 2024 12:45 #82594

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Hello!

I just poured a bit CDS ca 1000ppm in the end and 1% baking soda in the end together and found strengths of CDS gets drastically reduced. 

I then wanted to know what happens. 
So reaction and products. 
I found this equation, but do not know if it is the only possible solution. Anyone chemically inclined who could give some opinion on balance etc.?4 ClO2 + 4 NaHCO3 + NaCl = 5 NaClO2 + 2 H2O + 4 CO2

Got it from some chemical equation website. They do not tell conditions or balances. Please add this if you find something nearer conditions we use.
So it reverts back ClO2(aq) to NaClO2 !
In this sense, one can do CISS cure with CDS (Chlorite in Sodium Solution): NaClO2 if resorbed by beginning of small intestine if not in stimach and then circulates blood as a search mine, blowing sour tissues ClO2 in the face. As it gets activated just where the problem is. So far I just took some drops of NaClO2 in 1L of water over the day, but you have to rely on it to be pure, and observe high dose of ClO2 it contains. 
25% NaClO2 contains 
18.5% ClO2 g/ml !!!
So one drop assuming 0.05ml has
9.3mg (for 22.4% it is 8.3mg per drop max).
I try to stay below NOAEL of 3mg/kg/day over the day. (No Observeable Adverse Events Leof dosing from toxicology.)
So my single doses shall not have more than say 1/30..1/10ths of NOAEL ca..

This assumes all gets activated insides body. It needs quite sime
time so is like a constant infusion in effect, but I have to mind some pauses to re-fill anti-oxidants. 

Deverting back ClO2 to MMS:
I have an application for „winter supply“ of NaClO2. 

Imagine you just let one solar panel run all summer to produce ClO2 and if having excess, NaClO2 from that for winter, as long term storable compact form, of course we add 6-10% salt to make it a bit more stable, if we want to (solar) dry it as done usual for flakes production. 
And we do not need much, me some 30ml a day of CDS. 0.1g ClO2. 

As I found a paper doing CDS from 2 separate electrolytical production of educts H2O2 and ClO3-, from salt, one could send the ClO2 gas through  some diffusion exchange reactor (and if it is a sheet of silicone membrane, best porous PTFE pipe reactor with controlled porosity) and produce also NaClO2 from it. But I somewhere read this is not the classical reaction used to do that. 

 Full and sustainable production of chlorine dioxide:https://mdpi-res.com/d_attachment/catalysts/catalysts-12-00315/article_deploy/catalysts-12-00315-v2.pdf?version=1646890845


NaCl and HClO electrolysis to ClO2:
I found one paper claiming to do electrolysis also, but use brine (NaCl) and sodium hypochlorite (NaClO). Available enough so far. Cheaper than MMS2 (Ca(ClO)2), also.  :)
I am not sure if their high current density would also produce Cl2. They cool the electrolysis cell while pumping in 120A 7V. . I would try to get some Cl2 sniffing sensor to exclude that. Or one has to dive into sensitive analytical tests on Cl2. 
„Application of Highly Purified Electrolyzed Chlorine Dioxide for Tilapia Fillet Disinfection” 
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3947783/

I think both papers are worth to look at them on a strife to autarky, as I feel production has to become local for communities to not suffer from psyop “scarcity”  — of whatever. 

All the best!

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Chlorine Dioxide and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) 03 Jun 2024 17:11 #82596

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wowwowow!!!! youre a chemist. What was your conclusion?

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Chlorine Dioxide and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) 04 Jun 2024 04:18 #82601

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Hi Andi. Nice to see you here! 

-- CL 

 

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Chlorine Dioxide and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) 04 Jun 2024 12:40 #82602

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Conclusion in which respect?

I really think baking soda reverts back ClO2 to NaClO2.
Whatever others may say ;)
(This is consistent with some papers stating baking soda takes away oxidative stress from cells. Also anti-CCR5. And anti-cancer in the end, perhaps by strengthening the environment, I do not yet know.)
I poured them together and CDS faded to zero.
I just have to introduce some acid and see if NaClO2 activates and forms back the ClO2.
Just as happening on every sour tissue.
So one can do ultra pure NaClO2 by forming it from CDS and then doing CISS cure. Hm.
(But in industry, ClO2 is formed to NaClO2 by NaOH and C I think.)

I have yet to do the experiment to "activate" back some baking-soda faded CDS ;)

Autarky:
My feeling is that every community shall be able to produce CDS from salt or pool shock at least by electrolysis.
Only if we strife for autarky in many ways on many levels, we can keep a civilised life.
And exclude no topic, meds, communication, (solar) energy and its storage over winter, water treatment against nano plastics (from rainwater or whatever brackish solution), waste water treatment, waste problem, toilet a la permaculture (dilute urine, compost solids) safes cities in blackout from cholera, DIY insulation production from a glass bottle: see nasa patent on hollow glass microspheres, use it! And so on.
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Chlorine Dioxide and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) 07 Jun 2024 11:42 #82617

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Interesting thread. I took some CDS and added enough BS solution to raise the ph from 3.7 to just over 9, for brushing teeth. It might have been around 10ml of CDS and 3 drops of the BS solution. I tested the combined solution with the CL02 test strips and it was just slightly lighter than before. Barely noticeable.

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Chlorine Dioxide and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) 07 Jun 2024 11:49 #82618

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It takes quite a while to react.

Also I suspect if stay at pH of “natural” CDS done with citric or other non-gassing acid (tartaric acid eg), so having really low conductivity TDS of 5-20ppm, you just buffer acids, which is a fast reaction.

The redox reaction of BS and ClO2 is quite slow. I want to measure next months by absorption of UV light vs. red light as reference. You just need wiki Lambert-Beer and the molar absorption constant of ClO2 epsilon = 1250 / Mol / cm.

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Chlorine Dioxide and Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate) 07 Jun 2024 11:57 #82619

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Oh! Ok that makes sense :)  JK. You obviously have way more knowledge than I. I think tho, that the CDS with a little BS added still has plenty of CL02 to do the job brushing teeth. Correct?

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