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joannewil001 wrote:

 
Awesome with the IV vitamin C, very powerful stuff.  Why don't you check out ozone therapy too?  There's a natural
doctor here doing ozone treatments to detox patients with great results.   After the ozone treatment, the blood normalises and is separate and healthy.  I've attached a picture of a before and after ozone treatment.  Interesting stuff.
 

Thanks Joanne.

I am starting researching ozone therapy. It sounds like it oxidates viruses which makes the therapy similar to CDS IV protocol.
The link you posted shows that a patient had Ozone Saline IV together with Vitamin C IV and had great results.
Does CDS non-IV protocols clash with ozone therapy (eg ozone saline IV)?
How come the oxidation from ozone therapy does not clash with vitamin C, while CDS/MMS protocols do?

Here's a quote from Jim Humble's 2016 book. I highly recommend it:

How Does It Work

Oxidation
The tiny particles of the universe are held together by the electrons that surround them. Any action that results in the change of the electrons that hold matter together is considered oxidation. You may have thought that oxidation is somehow adding oxygen to what is being oxidized, but not so. Basically, oxidation either removes or changes the position of electrons that hold things together. This either completely destroys the substances or changes them into something else.

MMS and Oxidation
MMS1 (chlorine dioxide) destroys pathogens (diseasecausing microorganisms) not by using oxygen, but by oxidizing them. MMS1 draws away some of the electrons that hold the pathogens together, thus resulting in their destruction. MMS1 is also completely destroyed in the destructive process, leaving behind only a very minute amount of table salt (sodium chloride [NaCl]) and neutralized oxygen that simply washes out of the body. Various poisons created by the pathogens are also destroyed by the oxidation process. The fact is that MMS1 does not heal the body from sickness. As the oxidation process of killing the pathogen takes place, it is the body, freed from toxins, that heals the body. Beneficial bacteria are highly resistant to oxidation and thus are not harmed by chlorine dioxide.

Other Oxidizing Processes
Oxygen is the oxidizer that nature has designated for use in the human body because of its many important characteristics. Current oxygen therapies involve more than just breathing. In one type of oxygen therapy, the subject enters a pressurized hyperbaric chamber filled with pure oxygen. Pure oxygen under pressure is many times more effective than non-pressurized oxygen. This has many benefits and in some cases has worked miracles. Unfortunately, the increased pressure also multiplies the negative characteristics of oxygen, namely increasing the oxygen’s ability to oxidize (destroy) good cells as well as bad ones.
This treatment is also very expensive, and multiple treatments are usually required; therefore, the majority of mankind simply cannot afford the cost.

Two other very powerful oxidizers that are sometimes used in the body are hydrogen peroxide and ozone. While both of these have been and are used to help eradicate
disease, at the same time, they can damage the body when used improperly. Both are more powerful than oxygen or MMS1 (chlorine dioxide). Hydrogen peroxide and ozone can and do destroy many things including human body tissues.

Pathogens hide deep in body tissues. Because hydrogen peroxide and ozone, just like chlorine dioxide, are destroyed when they oxidize something, they are usually destroyed by oxidizing body tissues before they reach the pathogens hiding in the tissues. They can also be destroyed by poisons and impurities in the blood and tissues. Ozone and hydrogen peroxide may be useful sometimes but they should never be used by someone who is not highly trained in their use.

The oxidation potentials of these four oxidizers are given below. The strength of any particular oxidizer is measured in volts and as you can see, chlorine dioxide (MMS1) is the least strong of the four oxidizers. Because MMS1 is selective (oxidizing pathogens and not body tissues), it can be both more effective in oxidizing pathogens, as well as being safer than these other oxidizers.

Chlorine Dioxide - 0.95 volts
Oxygen - 1.30 volts
Hydrogen - Peroxide 1.80 volts
Ozone - 2.07 volts

superdave wrote:

joannewil001 wrote:

 
Awesome with the IV vitamin C, very powerful stuff.  Why don't you check out ozone therapy too?  There's a natural
doctor here doing ozone treatments to detox patients with great results.   After the ozone treatment, the blood normalises and is separate and healthy.  I've attached a picture of a before and after ozone treatment.  Interesting stuff.
 

Thanks Joanne.

I am starting researching ozone therapy. It sounds like it oxidates viruses which makes the therapy similar to CDS IV protocol.
The link you posted shows that a patient had Ozone Saline IV together with Vitamin C IV and had great results.
Does CDS non-IV protocols clash with ozone therapy (eg ozone saline IV)?
How come the oxidation from ozone therapy does not clash with vitamin C, while CDS/MMS protocols do?

Not sure the science behind it and why its compatible with Vitamin C while CDS is not.  We'll have to read up more on it and find out exactly what the mechanism behind it is.

 

 
Chlorine Dioxide - 0.95 volts
Oxygen - 1.30 volts
Hydrogen - Peroxide 1.80 volts
Ozone - 2.07 volts

Awesome post, thanks for sharing.  I remember reading that months ago but good to have a reminder now and then.  Strong oxidizers don't always mean that they're the best.  CDS/MMS sounds gentle enough to use while being highly effective.  Amazing to learn that they're selective in the pathogens they attack and leave the good bacteria alone.  Incredible stuff.

superdave wrote:

When you say 'took cds', which protocol did you follow?

I followed protocol c and f (or was it k? the dmso patch), like recommended by Andreas Kalcker. That was for my fist vaccination, where i had nearly no symptoms... for the second, i took none.
My wife did, but she only did protocol c for the first day and skipped it since then... shes fine though.

For me, i felt worse and worse as days went by. I was vaccinated (boosted) 5 days ago. On the second day, i used cds and got a horrible herxheimer reaction (dizzy, diarreah, felt like crap) but afterwards felt completely normal and fine. Since then i feel bad in waves... like being sick without sick. Brainfog, dizzy, crappy feeling. 30 Minutes ago, i took a drop (!) of cds (scared of herxheimer again) and a minute later i feel 70% better.

My assumption is, that the spike proteins are created by the body more and more as time goes by and thats why i felt worse with time. The single drop of cds then countered the spike protein load a bit. Just an assumption. Im extremely sensitive to every substance and often only need microdoses, thats why i was afraid of the vaccine... knowing how i react to things.

Panthaura wrote:

superdave wrote:

When you say 'took cds', which protocol did you follow?

I followed protocol c and f (or was it k? the dmso patch), like recommended by Andreas Kalcker. That was for my fist vaccination, where i had nearly no symptoms... for the second, i took none.
My wife did, but she only did protocol c for the first day and skipped it since then... shes fine though.

For me, i felt worse and worse as days went by. I was vaccinated (boosted) 5 days ago. On the second day, i used cds and got a horrible herxheimer reaction (dizzy, diarreah, felt like crap) but afterwards felt completely normal and fine. Since then i feel bad in waves... like being sick without sick. Brainfog, dizzy, crappy feeling. 30 Minutes ago, i took a drop (!) of cds (scared of herxheimer again) and a minute later i feel 70% better.

My assumption is, that the spike proteins are created by the body more and more as time goes by and thats why i felt worse with time. The single drop of cds then countered the spike protein load a bit. Just an assumption. Im extremely sensitive to every substance and often only need microdoses, thats why i was afraid of the vaccine... knowing how i react to things.







 

Sorry to hear what you are going through.

The issue in your case: IIUC, the bad reaction that occurred when you, did not take any CDS after the shot, then started, maybe two days after taking the booster shot, to have protocol C. As you probably pointed out, your body had been producing the spike protein, in all organs, you did not feel well, and then taking protocol C at a late stage probably caused this reaction.

I think the solution in your case, as you already tried, is not to stop the CDS, but to cut the dose of the CDS to half (or less if necessary) until you no longer get a reaction and build up the dose from there. I know you are not very enthusiastic about CDS, but it is probably the thing that can save you.

In terms of the perception that protocol C and K were suggested by Andreas Kalacker, while this understanding is widespread, this information is incomplete. This information was second hand attributed to Andreas kalacker, not from Andreas himself. Andreas suggested people to have protocol F and C for the first two days and then continue for 21 days with protocol C (as I posted his video in the past).

The guys that Andreas works with, COMUSAV, developed a good, and more extensive, overall protocol that I posted in the past.

It consists of, on vaccine day, protocol F20 (20 ml of CDS) one hour before the vaccine and then two more protocol F20 for the rest of the day - plus protocol K.
Then, switch to protocol C20 for 3-6 months with protocol E20 twice a week.
That is also in addition to a bunch of other supplements; like zeolite, zinc, seawater, melatonin, marine electrolytes and vitamin D.

I have been advocating for protocol F on vaccine day because of the shock the body gets when it receives the vaccine. The body suddenly gets billions of these mRNA (instructions) to make the spike protein and protocol F is designed to cope with exactly that. Protocol C is much milder.

Please let me know if you want me to post again the link to this COMUSAV protocol.

Sorry to hear what you are going through.
The issue in your case: IIUC, the bad reaction that occurred when you, did not take any CDS after the shot, then started, maybe two days after taking the booster shot, to have protocol C. As you probably pointed out, your body had been producing the spike protein, in all organs, you did not feel well, and then taking protocol C at a late stage probably caused this reaction.

I think the solution in your case, as you already tried, is not to stop the CDS, but to cut the dose of the CDS to half (or less if necessary) until you no longer get a reaction and build up the dose from there. I know you are not very enthusiastic about CDS, but it is probably the thing that can save you.

In terms of the perception that protocol C and K were suggested by Andreas Kalacker, while this understanding is widespread, this information is incomplete. This information was second hand attributed to Andreas kalacker, not from Andreas himself. Andreas suggested people to have protocol F and C for the first two days and then continue for 21 days with protocol C (as I posted his video in the past).

The guys that Andreas works with, COMUSAV, developed a good, and more extensive, overall protocol that I posted in the past.

It consists of, on vaccine day, protocol F20 (20 ml of CDS) one hour before the vaccine and then two more protocol F20 for the rest of the day - plus protocol K.
Then, switch to protocol C20 for 3-6 months with protocol E20 twice a week.
That is also in addition to a bunch of other supplements; like zeolite, zinc, seawater, melatonin, marine electrolytes and vitamin D.

I have been advocating for protocol F on vaccine day because of the shock the body gets when it receives the vaccine. The body suddenly gets billions of these mRNA (instructions) to make the spike protein and protocol F is designed to cope with exactly that. Protocol C is much milder.

Please let me know if you want me to post again the link to this COMUSAV protocol.

Interesting you should say that.

My aunty took MMS to detox long before the mandates came into effect.  She did it because she had liver and head pain and just general aches and pains all over her body.  She also had a tumor in her throat that was growing.  We managed to 90% heal most of her ailments and thank goodness we did because the vaccine zeroed in on those effected areas.  She feels she would have at the least been hospitalized and at the worst most likely died.  We shrunk the throat tumor right down to the point where you can't feel it and it doesn't protrude from the side of her neck anymore.  It was visible that anyone could see it.  Its not there now although we'd really need an MRI to confirm this.

At that time she also gave MMS to my uncle as he was always tired and had daily headaches.  She would give him one drop a day for a week on then a week off.  He'd perk up, have more energy and had a clearer head.

Fast forward to their vaccination.  My aunty was vigilant from the start, even did the DMSO patch protocol and made it through both doses.  She did tell me last week that for 8 weeks she had an irregular heart beat but now it's back to normal.  So she's fine now, she feels she's at 95% recovery from both jabs.  From her reaction she will not be getting the boosters.

My uncle on the other hand refused the MMS for both jabs.  He's very stubborn and didn't want to believe they can cause side effects.  Following both jabs he gets dizzy and the daily headaches have gotten worse.  He has no energy and can't do much other than go to work and come home and lie down.

My aunty convinced him to take his usual 1 drop of MMS and his head started pounding and he threw up.  He accused her of poisoning him even though he'd had several daily doses of MMS in the past with no problem whatsoever.  What I think changed wasn't the MMS but his body's reaction to it and because he hadn't had MMS for weeks following both jabs perhaps his body
was reacting to the spike protein VS the MMS.  So because of that initial reaction he's put off taking anymore ever again.  So he continues to live with the daily vaccine side effects he refuses to believe he has.

At least I managed to get my aunty to convince him to see a natural health doctor who's been helping people vaccine detox.  His client base has increased 500% since the vaccine rollout.  Good for his business but sad the circumstances why.  Just shows the vaccine is injuring people.

So I guess with detox, time is of the essence.  The earlier the treatment, the less damage and the better the outcome.

Thanks Joanne for sharing this real life example.

To make it clear; people should realise that when one gets the vaccine, this is the problem stage. Spike protein is now produced. The body, if CDS is not taken immediately, is trying to heal itself but it can't on its own. When CDS is introduced at a later stage, say two days after the vaccine, by that time a significant amount of the spike protein is already attacking body cells, the CDS oxidise (imagine the CDS is electrocuting) this accummulated amount of the spike protein and then the body needs to do the rest (ie 'kill the significantly weakened spike protein') and that is the time when we may not feel well. This stage when the body is 'killing the spike protein' is in fact the healing phase, not the problem phase.

Just to give a simple example, say a lady put in tight high heel shoes before having a big night out when she was dancing all night. The following day, her toes will hurt. Why? because the body is starting to heal this toe.

The main thing is to keep taking the CDS in lower doses, oxidising less amount of the spike protein in a quantity that the body can handle better and gradually increasing the dosage to let the body continue its job in killing this spike protein.

superdave wrote:

Thanks Joanne for sharing this real life example.

To make it clear; people should realise that when one gets the vaccine, this is the problem stage. Spike protein is now produced. The body, if CDS is not taken immediately, is trying to heal itself but it can't on its own. When CDS is introduced at a later stage, say two days after the vaccine, by that time a significant amount of the spike protein is already attacking body cells, the CDS oxidise (imagine the CDS is electrocuting) this accummulated amount of the spike protein and then the body needs to do the rest (ie 'kill the significantly weakened spike protein') and that is the time when we may not feel well. This stage when the body is 'killing the spike protein' is in fact the healing phase, not the problem phase.

Just to give a simple example, say a lady put in tight high heel shoes before having a big night out when she was dancing all night. The following day, her toes will hurt. Why? because the body is starting to heal this toe.

The main thing is to keep taking the CDS in lower doses, oxidising less amount of the spike protein in a quantity that the body can handle better and gradually increasing the dosage to let the body continue its job in killing this spike protein.

Good analogy.  Not to discourage anyone reading this.  The CDS is definitely worth taking even if you don't get onto it from the start but it just might be a little rough in the initial stages.  You just have to persevere.  I just think it's a shame my uncle's written it off when it's the thing that can help heal him.