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Does my math look ok? 29 Jun 2021 06:38 #69730

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I've been planning on making Andreas Kalcker's version of CDS here:
www.brighteon.com/98951596-048d-403f-85c3-db5ff006d0ef

So far I've been able to get 114 grams of Sodium Chlorite 80% power / flake and  500ml of Hydrochloric Acid at 6.28%. In the video, he uses a 25% solution of Sodium Chlorite and a 4% solution of Hydrochloric Acid.

For the math, I tried to look up dilution math but it gets fairly complicated on chemistry sites. Then I found two old videos from Genesis II church. In one of them he shows the math for diluting the acid:

So following that I got:

to get 4% HCL:
6.28 / 4 = 1.57 parts
if 1 part of HCL = 500ml 
1 - 1.57 parts = .57
then .57 x 500ml =  285ml water
this gives 785ml of 4% HCL solution

Then I tried the same thing with the sodium chlorite, but using grams instead of mililiters. Since 1ml of water is equal to 1gr, it's easy to just convert over at the end:

to get 25% NaClO2: 80/25 =  3.2 parts
if 1 part of NaClO2 = 114gr
1 - 3.2 parts = 2.2
then 2.2 x 114 = 250.8ml water

Does this look correct? I just wanted to double check to see if I made any errors before I start to make it. Thanks!

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Does my math look ok? 29 Jun 2021 09:22 #69732

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MMS  How-to-Make 22.4% SCS

Use the fourth converter down the page to dilute your 6.28% HCL to 4% 

Your math is correct for HCL dilution. 

Regarding "Andreas Kalcker's method" of making CDS using MMS and 4% HCL, I developed that method in 2015, 3 years before he published his book. He "borrowed" my method down to the exact recipe, without giving me credit. He is known for doing that sort of thing. I also developed the shot-glass method of making CDS in 2012, which he also showed in his video. 

mmsinfo.org

You might be interested in my latest CDS making method using an idea from a fellow named Murilo.


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Does my math look ok? 29 Jun 2021 11:03 #69736

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Use the fourth converter down the page  to dilute your 6.28% HCL to 4% 

hmm, yes 785ml. Glad I got that part right.

Regarding "Andreas Kalcker's method" of making CDS using MMS and 4% HCL,.....

Oh really? He was rather vague about where he got his info from in his book Forbidden Health, at least with "unofficial" online sources.

You might be interested in my latest CDS making method using an idea from a fellow named Murilo.

Interesting. I remember you showing me this one in the other thread. So it looks like instead of using 5ml of MMS & HCL, you use  10ml of MMS & 20ml of HCL. Twice the MMS and 4 times the acid. It looks like a smaller space too. I'm guessing every time you mention MMS, you're referring to 22.4% sodium chlorite?  That seems to be the standard.  I was thinking that I needed to have 25% instead of 22.4% to have a decently high ppm solution of CDS, but you're saying that I just need to use more HCL and sodium chlorite in the reaction in a pyrex container? Would the same method work with the shot glass and jar? Having CDS in 3 hours would be really nice.

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Does my math look ok? 29 Jun 2021 14:08 #69738

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Also, I am still curious if my math for the sodium chlorite dilution is okay.

Using the table from the pdf: mmsinfo.org/infosheets/What_is_MMS_and_How_to_Make_it.pdf
NaCLO2    H2Ogr
42.7gr       109.8gr
85.4gr       219.6gr
170.8gr     439.2gr
341.5gr     878.4gr

using the percent ratio to calculate the amount of water, assuming 22.4% dilution and subtracting 1 part as always:
80%/22.4% = 3.57
2.57 x 42.7 = 109.7
2.57 x 85.4 = 219.59
2.57 x 170.8 = 439.19
2.57 x 341.5 = 878.14

According to the numbers, it looks like I was right 
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Does my math look ok? 29 Jun 2021 20:08 #69744

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"Would the same method work with the shot glass and jar? Having CDS in 3 hours would be really nice."

The key to making CDS in a short time and with more efficiency, is the depth of the reactor solution. It should not be more than 2 mm deep and must be uniform in depth. So, using a shot-glass won't work for making Quick CDS. There are many combinations of containers that could be used. I tested for over 1 year trying all kinds of ideas. The simplest idea for most people is to use a glass 2 compartment bento box. Recently I found one that has a flip-open vent on the lid that makes it safe and easy to get CDS out after the activation is complete. 

 

 

 

Here is the CLO2 ppm vs time for the photos above. 120ml of CDS water + 5ml MMS + 10ml 4% HCL was the recipe. 
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Does my math look ok? 30 Jun 2021 05:20 #69755

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I see, what is a brand name of that one with the vent lid? I've never seen a container like that before. Only the pyrex meal boxes. It's almost like that one you have was made just for CDS enthusiasts 


Today I finally made CDS for the first time, along with diluting the sodium chlorite to 25% and HCL to 4%  beforehand. All that took longer than expected, and I was nervous that I'd get something wrong, but once I saw it turn that dark brown color I knew I got it right.  I'm using the jar + shot glass method and have it packed inside of a box to keep it in the dark until morning when I'll do the 2nd reaction and wait another 12 hours. The waiting isn't as bad as I imagined, but  I'm going to try and get one of those pyrex / bento boxes anyway. 

Oh, I did hit one snag: I bought a cheap scale that doesn't show anything smaller than whole number, so no decimal point or any smaller parts of a gram.  Do you have any recommendations for a decent scale I could use to get better accuracy? Thanks again!

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Does my math look ok? 30 Jun 2021 09:02 #69758

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The only bento box with a vent built into the lid that I could find online, was from a manufacturer in China. They sent me 3 sizes; 640ml, 1040ml, and 1500ml. There is not much difference between the two larger sizes, so I will only be testing the 640ml (seen in photos above) and the 1040ml. 

The next problem is finding someone to sell them, which won't be me. Maybe find a seller on AliExpress who would agree to sell them. AliExpress sells and ships world-wide. 

Scales that I use: 

www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08NX6YMRJ

www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07L8ZVVRM
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Does my math look ok? 30 Jun 2021 09:34 #69759

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I made CDS in same container  with Chinese flip lid. But the bowl had a single chamber. They all failed to make 3000 ppm.  After leaving it in the fridge overnight the ppm was even less and you could smell the cds when opening the door. The previous one I made the amber colour was gone in 5 days in the fridge. I found in the last one I made last night worked, but only because over the hole I sealed it with sticky tape and pulled the flap down onto it. If you look close you can see flaps plug is not tapered but even sides. This was the problem for me and I tried 3 different pyrex size containers. Using a tapered silicone plug to plug the hole like CLO2 has used should do the trick and stop the gas escaping.
 
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Does my math look ok? 30 Jun 2021 16:48 #69760

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Woofy, in the past I have used the same type of container and lid. The current one I am testing only leaks a tiny amount of gas, but that could be fixed the same as you fixed yours - with tape. 

The advantage of having the flip-up lid vent is getting CDS safely out of the container. 

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