CDS - Chlorine Dioxide Solution: Chlorine dioxide gas put in water

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01 Jul 2021 04:43 #69770 by CLO2
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Hi Woofy. Always fun to try new ideas. Today I ran a similar test as before, but this time I put tape over the lid vent and it seemed to help reduce the loss of CLO2 gas. You can see the two tests in the chart. The blue line is today's test showing that CLO2 concentration continued upward compared to the previous test. More NaCLO2 flakes and CA crystals were used for today's test to get above 3000 ppm.

 

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01 Jul 2021 08:18 #69772 by oxytopsy
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Never heard of mixing the dry ingredients without diluting before. Was that only for testing purposes?

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01 Jul 2021 10:57 - 01 Jul 2021 11:05 #69774 by woofy
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I am surprised your water has TDS total disolved solids of 47. Our bore water where I live comes from the Great Artesian Basin at a depth around 600 meters or 650 yards. TDS of 19 . Cant stand the taste when it is warm, Being cold helps. Making tea tastes like someone was sick in it. Drinking coffee dont notice a lot of difference. Drinkable. But in our water  TDS the % of Calcium is high. When the lawn gets watered the spray settling on brickwork leaves white powder. Tested 15 years ago by the experts and the report came back, unfit for human consumption. 
So I wonder with all those minerals in your water is okay for making CDS or adding it to MMS as I thought it is best to use distilled water and now the thinking is Raising the alkalinity of the water to be used. Our bore water is alkaline . Ph...i dont know. I drink daily Rain water drawn through a1 filter but rain water ph is around Ph 5-6.5 Pure water around 7 is about neautral, Blood Ph is 7.465 if I remember correctly. Too much Calcium can create a lot of problems, kidney, heart, blood etc.
I thought too many mineral in water would not make good MMS . Dont know, maybe someone can enlighten me. Always willing to learn. 
Lastly any idea how much triple filtering would bring the TDS down to maybe? Buying distilled water can be a  bit expensive after a while.
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25 Jul 2021 20:00 #70219 by Andy in Hawick
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I have recently uploaded a calculator that allows you to use any strength of solution. Why pre-dilute the NaClO₂ or HCl when all that does is introduce more water into the reaction chamber, which will retain ClO₂ in solution in proportion to the water present? Simply plug in the concentration of your solutions, set the volume and concentration of the desired CDS and it will tell you how much of each component to use. You could even calculate the reaction using undissolved NaClO₂ although I do not know how wise that would be, particularly with concentrated acid.
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26 Jul 2021 19:46 #70232 by CLO2
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Woofy, the triple-filtered well water I process has a TDS of zero. First filter is a Berkey followed by two ZERO filters. That is the water I usually use to make CDS, etc. 

I only tried using unfiltered well water once, to see the results. 

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20 Aug 2021 08:46 - 20 Aug 2021 08:49 #70559 by JimH1954
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@ CLO2

So my components to make CDS finally arrived from Germany via The Netherlands reseller. Link  here

I bought a two compartment Pyrex Benito box to use as my reactor.I followed the instructions from  this  video.
I used Glaceau Smartwater Alkaline 9+ph as my water source and added 400 ml (fridge chilled first) to the bigger compartment.
Following the video instructions I mixed 5 ml of 25% NaCLO2 with 5 ml of 5% HCL.I couldn't use a syringe to measure the components as both components came with a built in eye dropper in the mouth of the component bottles.so I used two 30 ml cups with measurements in 5 ml marking as a guide to pour 5 ml of both components into the two separate cups before adding the cup with 5 ml of HCL to the other cup with NaCLO2 and then stirring the combined ingredients and got the instant coloration change. I poured this into the small compartment. It covered maybe half the compartment at a very low level of coverage.
I left it in the fridge for close to 24 hours.
Then I tested it using the InstaTest strips recommended in the video. After using a 30 to 1 dilution The test strip matched up 50 and not the 100 at the 30 to 1 dilution meaning I had 1,500 PPM instead of the 3,000 PPM the video said it would produce. I'm guessing, with all your experience, you knew that would happen.
So, instead of starting over I ran a second reaction again using the amount of ingredients as the first reaction.
After testing the second batch it didn't quite match up with the 3,000 PPM but I'm guessing it could be close to 2,500 PPM.

So I'm a day and half into AK's protocol C to get my body used to ingesting.CDS. Instead of using a 1 liter bottle I'm using a 500 ml bottle to which I add 5 ml of CDS and doing that twice a day.

You've mentioned a good CDS tester on other posts. If all goes well, I could see the need for a good CDS tester down the road.

I am thinking of trying this same receipt again but next time uses 10 ml & 10 ml as opposed to 5 ml & 5 ml the video recommended..

In the end I might have to use your quick 3 hour CDS method next time..
Jim in Canada. 
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22 Aug 2021 06:54 #70583 by CLO2
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Jim, if you use 4% HCL to activate MMS for CDS, you have to make two infusions. About 1500ppm the first and then about 3000ppm after the second infusion. 

If making Quick CDS, follow the recipe as below. Be sure to put the CDS water in the small compartment and the reactor ingredients in the larger, because the solution depth must be 2mm or less. MMS:4% HCL ratio is 1:2.

 
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22 Aug 2021 15:51 #70590 by Andy in Hawick
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Hi CLO2, I have seen a few times that you talk about the importance of shallowness of the reaction chamber but I am unsure of the reason for this? Is it to increase the surface area or somehow encourage the liberation of the ClO₂ gas from the liquid? I have not found any problem with using deep reaction chambers; the gas liberates without a problem and is absorbed by the water very readily. I have just made up another batch of CDS using Andreas Kalcker's method of shot glass in Kilner jar using the following recipe and tested it with reagent strips and it measures around the 4000ppm mark after a single process. I left it overnight because time isn't really an issue but it looked pretty equalised after a few hours and if I was in a hurry, I could have decanted and used it much sooner.
I take Andreas's point that it is important to keep the air space within the outer enclosure as small as possible so that the vapour pressure is as great as possible to facilitate the solution of the ClO₂ gas into the receiving water. If I were using the two-chamber container that you show, I would be putting the water in the larger container and the reagents in the smaller one so as to 1) maximise the amount of CDS processed each time and 2) reduce the air space inside the container so as to speed up the transfer of the ClO₂ gas and reduce the amount of ClO₂ that remains as gas and is lost inevitably.
You can use the CDS wizard to calculate the amount of reagents necessary for the volume of water, target concentration of CDS and the concentration of reagents that you have.
 

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23 Aug 2021 11:34 - 23 Aug 2021 11:39 #70608 by Andy in Hawick
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Hi JimH1954It looks like you need significantly more NaClO₂ and HCl to produce the CDS that you want. Putting the recipe that you used into the  recipe checker  , it calculates a concentration of 1156ppm at 66% activation.
 
Using the  CDS Wizard  , to produce 400ml of CDS using the precursors that you have, you will need about 10ml of NaClO₂ and almost 15ml of HCl:
 
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10 Sep 2021 08:44 - 10 Sep 2021 08:47 #71021 by JimH1954
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@Andy In Hawick

I'm unable to use your Apple spreadsheet so could use your help.

I made a batch of quick CDS using CLO2's method.

My ingredients were:

250 ml of ph water 

10 ml of 25% sodium chlorite. This is actual NaClo2.without additives.

20 ml of 5% HCL.

This is a link to my components:

www.amazon.ca/Biotraxx-Classic-Water-Purification-Hydrochloric/dp/B07CF6YRJR/ref=pd_day0fbt_2/136-7940468-0856758?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B07CF6YRJR&pd_rd_r=84d45f18-18b4-4ad9-95cb-ede1fd7fdf6f&pd_rd_w=aRZ1c&pd_rd_wg=IEJlm&pf_rd_p=69eb0eb3-edd3-4c69-a2a6-08de18b055d9&pf_rd_r=MD403YGE59YMTH8NCD6Z&psc=1&refRID=MD403YGE59YMTH8NCD6Z

I used a Pyrex Benoto box as my reaction chamber (just one reaction or infusion) . The water was in the small compartment and the mixed components in the lager compartment.

I let it react at room temperature for about 2 hours 50 minutes then put it in fridge for another 30 minutes like you do.

I had trouble getting a valid test result using the Instatest strips.

When I used a syringe to scoop up the remaining  reaction components I got a snootful of the CDS concentrate it was pretty strong stuff.  

I'm guessing it could be over 3,000 PPM.

Andy, would it be possible for you to come up with a ballpark PPM number using my ingredients in your recipe checker?

TIA Andy,
Jim
 
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