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MMS for Cushings Disease (dog) 28 Sep 2021 12:02 #71407

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Good morning!

I just wanted to drop in and leave a little update. When I last posted we were being a bit more nonchalant in our approach and Kylie's condition was stable, but with a lot of room for further improvement.

We decided to go back on Protocol 1000; she's completed 9 days so far and what a difference!  I'm administering 3.0g of "cup 2" in 30g of distilled water by bottle 4x per day, roughly 90 mins apart, (When doing it on the hour, Kylie seemed to experience a little bloating and would become resistant to the bottle during later feedings - 90 mins fixes this issue for her.) Additionally for 3 days now, we've been doing a daily spray of her whole body with 10 drops NaClO2 and 10 drops HCL, in 1 ounce distilled water.

Hunger & Thirst - Kylie's appetite has never really had a major disruption, she continues to eat well.  Kylie's thirst level, while not quite as low as her pre-cushings consumption, has leveled off considerably.  At the height of her struggles, I was re-filling her bowl as many as 10 times per day and now we're at about 2-3 fills per day, (the ambient temperatures are slightly cooler, but not enough to justify this difference alone.)

Panting & Straining - At the height of her issues, Kylie was panting incessantly all day long. Now, it seems that she only does it once every few days and it seems to be to get my attention more than anything.  If I can't figure out what she needs, a drop of CBD oil and some petting calms her down. Straining - we would hear her making little moans all day long even if she was just sleeping; now we are just hearing it occasionally when she urinates.

Skin & Fur - the open sore has completely healed and some of the fur in that area has grown back. It's still not filled in with fur, it's noticeable but it seems like the fur will fill back in. The area where she was shaved in January has still not re-grown.  Everywhere else her fur is shiny and softer than it's ever been.  She seems to have more fur on her underside than ever before. Scabby patches of skin can still be found, but they look to be healing; there doesn't seem to be new patches.

Teeth - as a 13 year old dog who has never had a teeth cleaning and would not allow a toothbrush anywhere near her mouth, Kylie had some tartar/plaque when we started. One of the first effects we noticed when we started in August was that worst spots on her teeth shed the tartar instantly, (seriously this change was noted on Day 2 - it was amazing). With the tartar removed 2 cavities could then be seen in her teeth.  She still has those cavities and I have no way of measuring them, but they seem to be getting smaller.

Eyes - we have only seen a minimal improvement in her eyes.  They used to be totally bloodshot - both eyes (suspected to be due to cortisol depositing there.) Around the time we started MMS, Kylie injured the right eye - there's a noticeable spot where she must've run into a branch or something. The spot has not cleared and the right eye is still red, but the left is no longer red.  She does still have some of the old-dog cloudiness, but she does not have visible cataracts (the vet sees them with her tools, but they are not visible to the naked eye).

Muscle Tone - This is where we can start to see that MMS really does miracles!  Kylie is noticeably re-gaining tone in her midsection!!! Yes, she still is slightly pot-bellied, but it's undeniable that she is going in the direction of regaining tone - as far as I'm aware, something unheard of for Cushing's dogs.  Her rear-end still has a lot of rebuilding to do, but she is strong enough now, that she comes up our 4 steps every time by herself. The other day she briefly stood on her back 2 legs to get my attention and this morning she climbed her steps to get onto my bed!!!

Urination & Bowel Movements - She still seems to be urinating a bit more than her pre-cushing's self.  We may have created a little monster here though - pre-cushing's she had not had an accident in the house since the first week we brought her home. When she had the bladder infection, she had no control, so we started using pee pads. It seems to be more of choice than a necessity now, but at times she still goes on the pee pad rather than go outside. We clearly have a re-training issue, I'm encouraging her to potty outside, but I'm trying not to stress her over it either.  Her bowel movements are starting to become soft.  I am going to add yogurt and a probiotic powder to her diet. 

Energy & Personality - I saved the best for last!  Her bubbly, friendly little disposition is back in full force! She runs to greet people. She has kisses for all who welcome them. You can see it in her face - when she wasn't feeling well she had developed a grumpy old man (think Walter Matheu) kind of look, but now she's back to having a happy little puppy face again.  Her energy level is recovering nicely - she has to rebuild her endurance, but we take very short walks a few time per day and she's hopping and skipping along again in short spurts. She wants to get up and do stuff - she's not just sleeping 22 hours a day anymore. Pre-cushing's we bicycled almost daily and she would stand in her seat and lean into turns and it was a bit physical for her, but she stopped wanting to go on the bike when she wasn't feeling well.  We are back to taking bike rides, for about 15-20 mins she's standing/leaning making the most of the ride and then she lays down and is comfortable as a passive passenger until we return home.

At the beginning of August, we were starting to pray about the big decision that we thought we were being faced with imminently; MMS seems to have gifted us with more time to delay any such considerations.  She seems to be enjoying life again and we are enjoying every day with her too; we are hopeful that we'll have many more days together!

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MMS for Cushings Disease (dog) 28 Sep 2021 20:26 #71427

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I am extremely new to this
Can you help me with everything I need to know
Where do I get chlorine dioxide?
How much do I give?
How often
90# BT. He weighed in yesterday at 78#
Weight loss
Panting
Over watering
Over urinating
Also just diagnosed as typeII diabetic

We’re lost

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MMS for Cushings Disease (dog) 29 Sep 2021 23:38 #71458

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Hi Ken,

I'm pretty much a noob too, but I'll do my best to answer your questions. Just know that everything we've done is experimentation; we've had to take some best guesses, observe and adapt accordingly.  We are so happy with Kylie's progress - yesterday I literally cried tears of joy after she RAN around our block. I never thought we'd actually be here when we started this journey.

I bought it ready-made on eBay. www.ebay.com/itm/264751190861

The only other supplies I use are:
- a 2oz squeeze bottle & a 4oz squeeze bottle, (I got the set with both bottles for $1 at the Acme (Albertsons) grocery store. You can probably find something similar at a $ store, Walmart, online etc.) 
- a Tbsp measuring cup
- small kitchen scale, (I already had this, but these readily available on Amazon/eBay and elsewhere.)
- gallon of distilled water from the grocery store.

We used the protocols in Jim Humble's 2016 Health Recovery Guidebook. I know that people are having trouble getting the book right now, so I'll try to give you the basics. (Disclaimer: I have no medical / veterinary qualifications, this is not intended to be medical / veterinary advice.)

For starters, there's 3 golden rules:
1. If things are getting better, don't change anything.
2. If your dog experiences side effects (such as diarrhea or vomiting), reduce the dose by 1/2, but don't stop.
3. If you go 3-4 days without progress, move onto the next step of the protocol.

The protocols are different for different weight dogs, so I will give you what is listed for 75-100#. YMMV - so just take it slow and adjust accordingly.

Starting Procedure (As the name indicates, this is where to start with administering.)
   Chart says: "2.0-4.0-6.0 ml-C2"
           First,  C2 stands for "cup 2".
                             - I make cup 2 in the larger squeeze bottle. I add 1 drop of NaClO2 and 1 drop of HCL (both NaClO2 & HCL come in the set on eBay).  I tip the bottle to make sure the NAClO2 & HCL are mixing and wait about 30-60 seconds, until the mixture turns a dark yellow.  Then I add 1 Tbsp of distilled water.
           Second, 2.0-4.0-6.0ml refers to the gradual increase in how much you give each time.  So on Day 1, you'll be giving him 2.0g of the mixture from cup 2.  So I put the little squeeze bottle on the kitchen scale and zero it out.  Then I squeeze 2g (2mL) into the little squeeze bottle. I add about 10x as much distilled water to that - so that would be 20g of distilled water.) You will gradually increase to 4g, but not to exceed 6g. Follow the three golden rules above to guide you.
           Third,  now you have your MMS ready to be given. I bottle feed my dog and use small bit of raw meat to encourage her compliance while we do it; you can use your treat of preference or none if your dog is cooperative without it.
           Most people do this hourly; we found it works best for our dog to do it every 75-90 mins. YMMV.  We started out doing this 6 times per day, but now we are doing just 4 times per day. The number of times is not specified in the book, so it was kind of a guess to just figure out what would work.

Protocol 1000
Once your dog has finished the starting procedure (stable at 4-6mg), then you can go onto Protocol 1000.  We were on starting procedure for 6 days before moving to Protocol 1000; again YMMV.

At 75-100#, chart says 8.0-16-24ml-C2
              First, cup 2 in the small squeeze bottle - probably want to mix 2 drops NaClO2, 2 drops HCL - wait 30-60seconds until dark yellow and then add 2 Tbsp distilled water.
              Second, initially pour 8g of the cup 2 mixture into your larger squeeze bottle and add 80g of distilled water.  Gradually increase to 16g (not to exceed 24g), add distilled water at 10x amount of "cup 2 mix".
              Give to dog hourly (or whatever time frame works best for your dog), as many times a day as you've established works for you.  We are now on Day 11 of doing Protocol 1000, but are planning to do it for 21 days.  After 21 days, we will decide if we will do Protocol 1000+ or not, but since I don't have experience with the other protocols I'm not going to detail that here...

Hope this helps! Best wishes for you and your pup!

                            
 

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MMS for Cushings Disease (dog) 30 Sep 2021 00:22 #71461

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After reading your story, i wanted to share, please bear with me. I have had many different animals that i have use activated mms to cure their health issues. We live in the country and the dogs are always chasing and some times getting tore up in fights with other wildlife. You said your dog had a open sore on the back and the fur was lifting off. 
i have never used more then 8 drops of mms + 8 drops of hco + 4 ozs of distilled water = 1 dosage. I have used that strength solution to clean, treat, and heal open infections, cuts that needed stitches to close, because of fights. I have saved chickens, dogs, cats, that way. My point here is this is strong medicine. I even use it myself. Less is better over longer time sometimes, And when you give a large dosage, especially if not acclimated to it will cause a " herhexmizer reaction" and the body needs time to pass it. Both humans and animals. Whiz mms kills a lot of bad things that get inside, then the body has to clear it out, and if done to quickly can do more harm then good. I hope your dog gets better, but please proceed with care. I have found slow and steady is a lot better then all at once, unless death is close already ..
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MMS for Cushings Disease (dog) 29 Oct 2021 00:43 #72007

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Hi all Corey here.

We have a 10 year old 7.2kgs Lhasa Apso/Bichon/MiniPoodle (Poor wee man) Who's name is Alfie, Such a good all round wee man. who has been diagnosed with Cushings and Vet says if left untreated we have 3 months!!!... At $200NZ a month for the Veterinary recommended Drugs it is basically out of our price range, hardly surviving ourselves currently, so I have begun treating him with our MMS. 

We noticed he has been extra hungry, and drinking for a longer stint when he does drink. I think that is probably to fight the hungry feeling caused by the cortisol, so instinctively drinks a bigger helping. He has lost muscle tone over the past year and some fluff loss around his neck and rear end and back legs. His Energy has never lapsed, He is always 100mph and the most vocal of the three. We have a Jack Russell and a Jack Frost (Jack Russell/Bichon Frise). We feel bad for not really thinking he was ill. We took him to the vets for an expensive tooth removal, but was op rejected after the tests that told us of the cushings. They managed to get some of the bad teeth sorted while he was under general to have his chip removed as it was irritating him after the muscle loss. His belly is also bloated at times. 

So for the past week I have been doing pretty much the same dose I use on myself 4 drops Sodium Chlorite and 4 of the acid. then add around a cup of water. I then take 20mls of that mix and syringe feed him the 20mls 3 to 4 times daily. He hasn't shown any signs of the squirts or vomiting, so figure we may be about right for an on going treatment. But reading what you have said here, I found it tough for me to get my head around your protocol methods, I am wondering if this may be too high a concentrate. but as I say, he hasn't shown any signs of illness since we started.

His diet since we rescued him has been home cooked food. Pumpkin, pearl barley, peas, carrot, and minced Chicken or lamb, but mostly Chicken mince  simmered until cooked through. High fat food is supposed to be less desirable in dogs with cushings so Chicken it is. Also a few biscuits in the mornings and as a treat after his MMS treatments. He is a good boy but takes the treatment better knowing he has a treat coming afterward. 

Oviously there are no real signs of anything changing yet as he is always high energy and still runs about like a maniac. We live on 5 acres so has heaps of space. 

I will try and update as to what is happening with Little Alfie as we go. Any help and info on this subject is greatly appreciated. 

Ciao for now.

Corey & Sharon


 

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MMS for Cushings Disease (dog) 14 Jan 2022 01:31 #73456

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We lost Kylie on Monday.  MMS gave us an extra 5 months with her.  While on MMS, her cushings symptoms did recede. Until she started refusing food and water. She experienced sharp cognitive decline last week and had a stroke/seizure on Sunday night.
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