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28 Sep 2021 20:26 #71427
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I am extremely new to this
Can you help me with everything I need to know
Where do I get chlorine dioxide?
How much do I give?
How often
90# BT. He weighed in yesterday at 78#
Weight loss
Panting
Over watering
Over urinating
Also just diagnosed as typeII diabetic
We’re lost
Can you help me with everything I need to know
Where do I get chlorine dioxide?
How much do I give?
How often
90# BT. He weighed in yesterday at 78#
Weight loss
Panting
Over watering
Over urinating
Also just diagnosed as typeII diabetic
We’re lost
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29 Sep 2021 23:38 - 29 Sep 2021 23:49 #71458
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Hi Ken,
I'm pretty much a noob too, but I'll do my best to answer your questions. Just know that everything we've done is experimentation; we've had to take some best guesses, observe and adapt accordingly. We are so happy with Kylie's progress - yesterday I literally cried tears of joy after she RAN around our block. I never thought we'd actually be here when we started this journey.
I bought it ready-made on eBay. www.ebay.com/itm/264751190861
The only other supplies I use are:
- a 2oz squeeze bottle & a 4oz squeeze bottle, (I got the set with both bottles for $1 at the Acme (Albertsons) grocery store. You can probably find something similar at a $ store, Walmart, online etc.)
- a Tbsp measuring cup
- small kitchen scale, (I already had this, but these readily available on Amazon/eBay and elsewhere.)
- gallon of distilled water from the grocery store.
We used the protocols in Jim Humble's 2016 Health Recovery Guidebook. I know that people are having trouble getting the book right now, so I'll try to give you the basics. (Disclaimer: I have no medical / veterinary qualifications, this is not intended to be medical / veterinary advice.)
For starters, there's 3 golden rules:
1. If things are getting better, don't change anything.
2. If your dog experiences side effects (such as diarrhea or vomiting), reduce the dose by 1/2, but don't stop.
3. If you go 3-4 days without progress, move onto the next step of the protocol.
The protocols are different for different weight dogs, so I will give you what is listed for 75-100#. YMMV - so just take it slow and adjust accordingly.
Starting Procedure (As the name indicates, this is where to start with administering.)
Chart says: "2.0-4.0-6.0 ml-C2"
First, C2 stands for "cup 2".
- I make cup 2 in the larger squeeze bottle. I add 1 drop of NaClO2 and 1 drop of HCL (both NaClO2 & HCL come in the set on eBay). I tip the bottle to make sure the NAClO2 & HCL are mixing and wait about 30-60 seconds, until the mixture turns a dark yellow. Then I add 1 Tbsp of distilled water.
Second, 2.0-4.0-6.0ml refers to the gradual increase in how much you give each time. So on Day 1, you'll be giving him 2.0g of the mixture from cup 2. So I put the little squeeze bottle on the kitchen scale and zero it out. Then I squeeze 2g (2mL) into the little squeeze bottle. I add about 10x as much distilled water to that - so that would be 20g of distilled water.) You will gradually increase to 4g, but not to exceed 6g. Follow the three golden rules above to guide you.
Third, now you have your MMS ready to be given. I bottle feed my dog and use small bit of raw meat to encourage her compliance while we do it; you can use your treat of preference or none if your dog is cooperative without it.
Most people do this hourly; we found it works best for our dog to do it every 75-90 mins. YMMV. We started out doing this 6 times per day, but now we are doing just 4 times per day. The number of times is not specified in the book, so it was kind of a guess to just figure out what would work.
Protocol 1000
Once your dog has finished the starting procedure (stable at 4-6mg), then you can go onto Protocol 1000. We were on starting procedure for 6 days before moving to Protocol 1000; again YMMV.
At 75-100#, chart says 8.0-16-24ml-C2
First, cup 2 in the small squeeze bottle - probably want to mix 2 drops NaClO2, 2 drops HCL - wait 30-60seconds until dark yellow and then add 2 Tbsp distilled water.
Second, initially pour 8g of the cup 2 mixture into your larger squeeze bottle and add 80g of distilled water. Gradually increase to 16g (not to exceed 24g), add distilled water at 10x amount of "cup 2 mix".
Give to dog hourly (or whatever time frame works best for your dog), as many times a day as you've established works for you. We are now on Day 11 of doing Protocol 1000, but are planning to do it for 21 days. After 21 days, we will decide if we will do Protocol 1000+ or not, but since I don't have experience with the other protocols I'm not going to detail that here...
Hope this helps! Best wishes for you and your pup!
I'm pretty much a noob too, but I'll do my best to answer your questions. Just know that everything we've done is experimentation; we've had to take some best guesses, observe and adapt accordingly. We are so happy with Kylie's progress - yesterday I literally cried tears of joy after she RAN around our block. I never thought we'd actually be here when we started this journey.
I bought it ready-made on eBay. www.ebay.com/itm/264751190861
The only other supplies I use are:
- a 2oz squeeze bottle & a 4oz squeeze bottle, (I got the set with both bottles for $1 at the Acme (Albertsons) grocery store. You can probably find something similar at a $ store, Walmart, online etc.)
- a Tbsp measuring cup
- small kitchen scale, (I already had this, but these readily available on Amazon/eBay and elsewhere.)
- gallon of distilled water from the grocery store.
We used the protocols in Jim Humble's 2016 Health Recovery Guidebook. I know that people are having trouble getting the book right now, so I'll try to give you the basics. (Disclaimer: I have no medical / veterinary qualifications, this is not intended to be medical / veterinary advice.)
For starters, there's 3 golden rules:
1. If things are getting better, don't change anything.
2. If your dog experiences side effects (such as diarrhea or vomiting), reduce the dose by 1/2, but don't stop.
3. If you go 3-4 days without progress, move onto the next step of the protocol.
The protocols are different for different weight dogs, so I will give you what is listed for 75-100#. YMMV - so just take it slow and adjust accordingly.
Starting Procedure (As the name indicates, this is where to start with administering.)
Chart says: "2.0-4.0-6.0 ml-C2"
First, C2 stands for "cup 2".
- I make cup 2 in the larger squeeze bottle. I add 1 drop of NaClO2 and 1 drop of HCL (both NaClO2 & HCL come in the set on eBay). I tip the bottle to make sure the NAClO2 & HCL are mixing and wait about 30-60 seconds, until the mixture turns a dark yellow. Then I add 1 Tbsp of distilled water.
Second, 2.0-4.0-6.0ml refers to the gradual increase in how much you give each time. So on Day 1, you'll be giving him 2.0g of the mixture from cup 2. So I put the little squeeze bottle on the kitchen scale and zero it out. Then I squeeze 2g (2mL) into the little squeeze bottle. I add about 10x as much distilled water to that - so that would be 20g of distilled water.) You will gradually increase to 4g, but not to exceed 6g. Follow the three golden rules above to guide you.
Third, now you have your MMS ready to be given. I bottle feed my dog and use small bit of raw meat to encourage her compliance while we do it; you can use your treat of preference or none if your dog is cooperative without it.
Most people do this hourly; we found it works best for our dog to do it every 75-90 mins. YMMV. We started out doing this 6 times per day, but now we are doing just 4 times per day. The number of times is not specified in the book, so it was kind of a guess to just figure out what would work.
Protocol 1000
Once your dog has finished the starting procedure (stable at 4-6mg), then you can go onto Protocol 1000. We were on starting procedure for 6 days before moving to Protocol 1000; again YMMV.
At 75-100#, chart says 8.0-16-24ml-C2
First, cup 2 in the small squeeze bottle - probably want to mix 2 drops NaClO2, 2 drops HCL - wait 30-60seconds until dark yellow and then add 2 Tbsp distilled water.
Second, initially pour 8g of the cup 2 mixture into your larger squeeze bottle and add 80g of distilled water. Gradually increase to 16g (not to exceed 24g), add distilled water at 10x amount of "cup 2 mix".
Give to dog hourly (or whatever time frame works best for your dog), as many times a day as you've established works for you. We are now on Day 11 of doing Protocol 1000, but are planning to do it for 21 days. After 21 days, we will decide if we will do Protocol 1000+ or not, but since I don't have experience with the other protocols I'm not going to detail that here...
Hope this helps! Best wishes for you and your pup!
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30 Sep 2021 00:22 #71461
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After reading your story, i wanted to share, please bear with me. I have had many different animals that i have use activated mms to cure their health issues. We live in the country and the dogs are always chasing and some times getting tore up in fights with other wildlife. You said your dog had a open sore on the back and the fur was lifting off.
i have never used more then 8 drops of mms + 8 drops of hco + 4 ozs of distilled water = 1 dosage. I have used that strength solution to clean, treat, and heal open infections, cuts that needed stitches to close, because of fights. I have saved chickens, dogs, cats, that way. My point here is this is strong medicine. I even use it myself. Less is better over longer time sometimes, And when you give a large dosage, especially if not acclimated to it will cause a " herhexmizer reaction" and the body needs time to pass it. Both humans and animals. Whiz mms kills a lot of bad things that get inside, then the body has to clear it out, and if done to quickly can do more harm then good. I hope your dog gets better, but please proceed with care. I have found slow and steady is a lot better then all at once, unless death is close already ..
i have never used more then 8 drops of mms + 8 drops of hco + 4 ozs of distilled water = 1 dosage. I have used that strength solution to clean, treat, and heal open infections, cuts that needed stitches to close, because of fights. I have saved chickens, dogs, cats, that way. My point here is this is strong medicine. I even use it myself. Less is better over longer time sometimes, And when you give a large dosage, especially if not acclimated to it will cause a " herhexmizer reaction" and the body needs time to pass it. Both humans and animals. Whiz mms kills a lot of bad things that get inside, then the body has to clear it out, and if done to quickly can do more harm then good. I hope your dog gets better, but please proceed with care. I have found slow and steady is a lot better then all at once, unless death is close already ..
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29 Oct 2021 00:43 #72007
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Hi all Corey here.
We have a 10 year old 7.2kgs Lhasa Apso/Bichon/MiniPoodle (Poor wee man) Who's name is Alfie, Such a good all round wee man. who has been diagnosed with Cushings and Vet says if left untreated we have 3 months!!!... At $200NZ a month for the Veterinary recommended Drugs it is basically out of our price range, hardly surviving ourselves currently, so I have begun treating him with our MMS.
We noticed he has been extra hungry, and drinking for a longer stint when he does drink. I think that is probably to fight the hungry feeling caused by the cortisol, so instinctively drinks a bigger helping. He has lost muscle tone over the past year and some fluff loss around his neck and rear end and back legs. His Energy has never lapsed, He is always 100mph and the most vocal of the three. We have a Jack Russell and a Jack Frost (Jack Russell/Bichon Frise). We feel bad for not really thinking he was ill. We took him to the vets for an expensive tooth removal, but was op rejected after the tests that told us of the cushings. They managed to get some of the bad teeth sorted while he was under general to have his chip removed as it was irritating him after the muscle loss. His belly is also bloated at times.
So for the past week I have been doing pretty much the same dose I use on myself 4 drops Sodium Chlorite and 4 of the acid. then add around a cup of water. I then take 20mls of that mix and syringe feed him the 20mls 3 to 4 times daily. He hasn't shown any signs of the squirts or vomiting, so figure we may be about right for an on going treatment. But reading what you have said here, I found it tough for me to get my head around your protocol methods, I am wondering if this may be too high a concentrate. but as I say, he hasn't shown any signs of illness since we started.
His diet since we rescued him has been home cooked food. Pumpkin, pearl barley, peas, carrot, and minced Chicken or lamb, but mostly Chicken mince simmered until cooked through. High fat food is supposed to be less desirable in dogs with cushings so Chicken it is. Also a few biscuits in the mornings and as a treat after his MMS treatments. He is a good boy but takes the treatment better knowing he has a treat coming afterward.
Oviously there are no real signs of anything changing yet as he is always high energy and still runs about like a maniac. We live on 5 acres so has heaps of space.
I will try and update as to what is happening with Little Alfie as we go. Any help and info on this subject is greatly appreciated.
Ciao for now.
Corey & Sharon
We have a 10 year old 7.2kgs Lhasa Apso/Bichon/MiniPoodle (Poor wee man) Who's name is Alfie, Such a good all round wee man. who has been diagnosed with Cushings and Vet says if left untreated we have 3 months!!!... At $200NZ a month for the Veterinary recommended Drugs it is basically out of our price range, hardly surviving ourselves currently, so I have begun treating him with our MMS.
We noticed he has been extra hungry, and drinking for a longer stint when he does drink. I think that is probably to fight the hungry feeling caused by the cortisol, so instinctively drinks a bigger helping. He has lost muscle tone over the past year and some fluff loss around his neck and rear end and back legs. His Energy has never lapsed, He is always 100mph and the most vocal of the three. We have a Jack Russell and a Jack Frost (Jack Russell/Bichon Frise). We feel bad for not really thinking he was ill. We took him to the vets for an expensive tooth removal, but was op rejected after the tests that told us of the cushings. They managed to get some of the bad teeth sorted while he was under general to have his chip removed as it was irritating him after the muscle loss. His belly is also bloated at times.
So for the past week I have been doing pretty much the same dose I use on myself 4 drops Sodium Chlorite and 4 of the acid. then add around a cup of water. I then take 20mls of that mix and syringe feed him the 20mls 3 to 4 times daily. He hasn't shown any signs of the squirts or vomiting, so figure we may be about right for an on going treatment. But reading what you have said here, I found it tough for me to get my head around your protocol methods, I am wondering if this may be too high a concentrate. but as I say, he hasn't shown any signs of illness since we started.
His diet since we rescued him has been home cooked food. Pumpkin, pearl barley, peas, carrot, and minced Chicken or lamb, but mostly Chicken mince simmered until cooked through. High fat food is supposed to be less desirable in dogs with cushings so Chicken it is. Also a few biscuits in the mornings and as a treat after his MMS treatments. He is a good boy but takes the treatment better knowing he has a treat coming afterward.
Oviously there are no real signs of anything changing yet as he is always high energy and still runs about like a maniac. We live on 5 acres so has heaps of space.
I will try and update as to what is happening with Little Alfie as we go. Any help and info on this subject is greatly appreciated.
Ciao for now.
Corey & Sharon
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14 Jan 2022 01:31 #73456
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We lost Kylie on Monday. MMS gave us an extra 5 months with her. While on MMS, her cushings symptoms did recede. Until she started refusing food and water. She experienced sharp cognitive decline last week and had a stroke/seizure on Sunday night.
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25 May 2022 00:01 #75440
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Oh Ripples! Sorry to hear that!!! Glad you got some extra time with her.
We are still doing a 10 drop mix in aprox 250mls of water, then I syringe off 20 mls and dose him 4-6 times daily. Sept oct last year was when Alfies was diagnosed and given 3 months. we are now at 8 months and he is still ripping about full of energy, he is better now than before CD. Has heaps of energy and a good healthy appetite. His fur is the same some has thinned out but has also started to grow in places. About a month ago we noticed that his belly was getting smaller. I can only take that as a good thing. He is still thin but we have up'd his protein intake and are using a multi vitamin supplement for dogs and seems to be helping. All I can say is that I believe CD is fighting the problem, but not sure if we attacked the issue early enough to be as effective as it would have been if we had an earlier Diagnoses.
All I can say is that there is obviously some really good results.
We have also had a flea issue this year. And finding that spraying the dogs bites was amazing! you can see the dog have relief pretty much immediately. I use it on cuts abrassions and rashes and seems to be a very good help with the redness and healing. I see stuff that is inflamed and painful looking disappear over night after a good spray down.
Won't be changing anything as yet regards our treatment, will keep it up til one or the other happens.
Lots of Love Corey and Sharon.
We are still doing a 10 drop mix in aprox 250mls of water, then I syringe off 20 mls and dose him 4-6 times daily. Sept oct last year was when Alfies was diagnosed and given 3 months. we are now at 8 months and he is still ripping about full of energy, he is better now than before CD. Has heaps of energy and a good healthy appetite. His fur is the same some has thinned out but has also started to grow in places. About a month ago we noticed that his belly was getting smaller. I can only take that as a good thing. He is still thin but we have up'd his protein intake and are using a multi vitamin supplement for dogs and seems to be helping. All I can say is that I believe CD is fighting the problem, but not sure if we attacked the issue early enough to be as effective as it would have been if we had an earlier Diagnoses.
All I can say is that there is obviously some really good results.
We have also had a flea issue this year. And finding that spraying the dogs bites was amazing! you can see the dog have relief pretty much immediately. I use it on cuts abrassions and rashes and seems to be a very good help with the redness and healing. I see stuff that is inflamed and painful looking disappear over night after a good spray down.
Won't be changing anything as yet regards our treatment, will keep it up til one or the other happens.
Lots of Love Corey and Sharon.
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