MMS for Cushings Disease (dog)

Hello,

I am very new here and to MMS in general, but I didn't find a thread about MMS for Cushings in dogs, so I wanted to document my dog's journey. (Forgive me for not being knowledgeable about all of the abbreviations and lingo found in most threads on this forum.)

Kylie is a 13 year old, 22lb Boston Terrier. She has Cushing's disease. We didn't pursue the root of it, but typically in Bostons it is due to a pituitary tumor.

Aside from having knee-surgery when she was 5 and some benign lumps/bumps, Kylie has always had very robust health. She developed a pot-belly, significant muscle atrophy in her backside, excessive thirst, excessive panting, extreme lethargy, skin & hair issues, and grumpiness essentially overnight. We had been attributing it to aging, but her wellness bloodwork and body changes had many signs pointing to Cushings. For example, the worst thing on her wellness b/w were her liver enzymes, particularly ALP which went from 45 on the previous test to over 3K. She was also having issues with bladder control. The vet gave her a 2-week course of antibiotic which mostly fixed the bladder issues, but all her other symptoms remained.  The vet's only option was to head down the road to Vetoryl (a chemo med) - which would be expensive and potentially have significant side effects, which is why I started searching for alternatives.

Kylie started receiving a number of supplements about 3 weeks ago:
Supplement 1: Multi-formula with HMR Lignans (20mg); Melatonin (2mg); Milk Thistle (seed extract) 40mg - 1 capsule morning & night
Supplement 2: Adrenal support (this is a liquid that goes in her water) containing Astragalus root, eleuthero root, licorice root & dandelion root - 1 dropper full per day
Supplement 3: SamE(225mg) & L-Glutathione(20mg) - 1 tablet every other day
Supplement 4: CBD oil - 1-2 drops, morning & afternoon
Supplement 5: Grass-Fed Organs & Glands powder - 1/2 tsp per day

We did see some improvements with supplements, namely the excessive panting and excessive thirst had diminished. She seemed to be more comfortable. However, her energy levels and muscle atrophying continued to worsen.

I came across MMS and got the guidebook about a week ago. I ordered MMS from this ebay listing:
www.ebay.com/itm/264751190861 (I am in no way affiliated with this seller; all I can say is they shipped quickly and it was well packed.)

I only read the animal chapter in the guidebook, but I started the "Starting procedure" as charted on Saturday; which makes today Day 3.
I followed the instructions to make "cup 2": 8 drops each of NaClO2 & 8 drops of HCl mixed and then added half a cup of water.  This filled a 4oz bottle.
We continued to give Kylie the other supplements in the morning only.  Then in the afternoon/evenings, she is getting MMS once per hour for 6 hours. We also made a playlist for her of healing frequencies, (primarily from the channel "Sapien Medicine" on Youtube) that we play for her once per day.

On Saturday (Day 1) we mixed 9.5 drops of the solution from "Cup 2" with a little water in a squeeze bottle and gave that to her hourly.  This was a learning process for us both, and I think very little of the solution actually made it down her throat.
Sunday (Day 2) we increased to 19 drops from "cup 2" with water and became much more effective at getting the water to her still using the little squeeze bottle.
Today (Day 3) we are continuing supplements in the AM and 19 drops of cup 2 in water hourly during PM hours - we've done 4/6 doses so far today.

We are already seeing improvements!  Today, Kylie went for 3 short walks and went up the steps by herself multiple times. We saw signs of her friendly, happy demeanor returning.

I will try to post more as our journey continues...

 

As the President of a BT rescue org that specializes in senior and special needs BTs and a mom to more than one BT who eventually succumbed to Cushings, I’m so grateful to you for posting this! I will definitely be following your journey. Sending much love to your darling Kylie!

@hmurphy Thank you for your work with our very special babies and for your love!

Unfortunately Cushings is all too common in dogs today. Kylie is the third dog in our family to get it, (Chauncey was one of my childhood mini-dauschunds, and Buster was my dad's Puggle who he lost last year.) I really want to find a solution!!

Today was Day 4 - I increased from 19 to 28 drops mixed in water; otherwise same protocol as yesterday.

We had a medical scare with my step-mom today, and I was a little worked up. Kylie seemed to be feeding off of my energy, so I am going to write today off and withhold judgement on her progress. Counting today as a null - neither better nor worse.

A symptom I forgot to mention in the OP is very red eyes.  I may be a bit wishful here, but I do think they might be a little less red.

 

Day 6 here. I moved her onto protocol 1000 today - so we're at 1.5ml of "cup 2" mixed with a little add'l distilled water. 

No new progress seems to have occurred yet. Yesterday Kylie was as sluggish and panting as much as before we started MMS. She's a little better today, but so far Day 3 was still her best day. 

I've also ordered DMSO, in preparation for protocol 1000+ next week. 

Thank you for keeping us informed of Kylie’s condition. Sending love, strength, comfort snd prayers her way (and yours)!

Kylie has a large open wound that has appeared on her back today.  It looks like there is a flap with fur and epidermis that is semi-detached. My best guess is that she has a staph infection.  Any suggestions on how we should treat her?  So far I've just put coconut oil on it. My husband wants to take her to the vet for antibiotics...

Hi there   How is Kylie?  Did you have to take her to the vet for the skin issue?  Hoping she is doing well and continues to show improvement with her Cushings symptoms.  Please definitely keep us updated 

I was here on the forums because my hubs and I just started Jim's Protocol 1000 today after doing the Starting Procedure. (Goin great so far!!  )  Randomly in a search I saw your post...and well talk about synchronicity!  About a month ago we took our 7 year old herding mix, Tripp, to the vet for a full physical.  He'd been a little gimpy with his back left hip/leg for maybe a month before that (which I attributed to no longer having carpet and he likes to scramble when he gets up), and then he started digging at his back just over his hip and panting a lot, even during the night.  He's kind of a dramatic little dude...lol...he does not like pain of any kind...so I thought maybe if he was in pain, he was panting because he was stressed (which is normal for him during stressful times like fireworks).  

So his physical went fine.  However, the one thing his bloodwork did show was one slightly elevated liver enzyme--ALT, and it was at 364 (normal range is 10-125 and 364 was on the low end of high).  His HGB (hemoglobin) was barely high at 18.9 (range 12.2-18.4).  Our vet didn't seem alarmed and felt if he was experiencing allergies that could have temporarily spiked the liver enzyme. I can't remember why but he wasn't concerned about the HGB.  We are taking him back in a few months for a retest.  Our vet gave us a good homeopathic remedy for arthritis as well as allergies (Rhus Tox) and some Standard Process Hepatic Support for Canines.  At home we also have him on SuperSnouts Green Lipped Muscle powder and some milk thistle.

Backing up...I would have never even been concerned he might have Cushings until just a few months before his physical we heard from a person who had one of his littermates, and she (the dog) died of Cushings this year    So at that time I looked up the symptoms, and then just a few months later, Tripp started exhibiting some of them.  I never mentioned it to the vet; but when we take him back if he still has symptoms I definitely will. And as of now, he still does.  Mainly the panting (which to me has been the most prevalent), itching, hind leg issue, and a slight aversion to going outside (I do attribute part of that to him not liking to be hot, and he gets scared of bugs/bees and will run to the house  ) are the major symptoms. I haven't noticed excessive thirst or hunger, or issues with hair. He still itches at the hip area but I check it frequently and so far, there's no irritation (though initially there was and we got it healed up).  No potbelly though, or extreme lethargy...once he is up he will run around like a nutter and do his normal stuff (unless a bug gets too close...lololol).

I know it's totally possible he does not have Cushings, but we are monitoring him closely.  I'm pretty bonded with all our animals and he definitely doesn't seem himself, but it's not a dramatic change (yet). He's always been super active, good weight, no health issues other than a few odd growths (one removed, benign and another I got rid of using sacred frankincense), great personality.  

I hope it's okay I added my story to your thread here!!  I know when I'm reading through these I really find it helpful to get lots of information, ideas, etc...  I am extremely curious if the MMS is continuing to help Kyle with her Cushings, because if we find out Tripp does have it I am most definitely starting him on it.  I guess, in fact, I could really start him on it anytime anyway!  Will have to think about that.

Much love and lots of prayers to you!! Looking forward to an update!

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Kylie has a large open wound that has appeared on her back today.  It looks like there is a flap with fur and epidermis that is semi-detached. My best guess is that she has a staph infection.  Any suggestions on how we should treat her?  So far I've just put coconut oil on it. My husband wants to take her to the vet for antibiotics...
 

I do not have any pets, but one of the first things I'd use if that were me dealing with it, would be colloidal silver spray 10ppm, as well as adding it to some drinking water (assuming no contraindications with other herbs or supplements / treatments). If you take a look at the FB group called 'Colloidal Silver Success Stories' you will see quite a lot of people mention animal use. A friend of mine recently treated a cat ear wound with it that was infected. They added some to the cats water and he drank it too!

I always use 'argentum plus - Colloidal Silver 10 ppm'

Hey there!

@sillygolucky  I'm so glad you jumped in!!! My thoughts on sharing our journey was that if it worked we could hopefully help more dogs!  Kylie is showing definite signs of improvement; for example, she is readily going up & down our steps (there's only 4).  Have you tried giving Tripp MSM yet? It sounds like he may be sowing early signs of Cushings - either way I think we may all benefit from a little MMS. 

I found that trying to bottle-feed every hour was just too much for me. Kylie seems to enjoy it, but stopping every hour to do it became taxing on me after a few weeks, so we are experimenting with giving her unactivated MSM in her water bowl. I made a bottle that's 2 drops NaClO and 2 TBSP of water - I then add ~2.5 grams of that mix each time I fill her water bowl (about 3x/day).

She managed to injure her eye somehow (common for Bostons); it seems to be recovering ok.

@truthseeker Kylie's skin is a mess. We never went to the vet, because by the next morning after I posted, the open sore was healing over already. It left a bald spot but otherwise seems to be fully healed now. Her skin flaking in several spots and we seem to be getting some results with Tanactin. I'm going to pick up some collodial silver to try.  We have a little tub of it, but I think it's only for topical applications - I'm going to order the argentum plus that you recommended.  Thank you!!

Good morning!

I just wanted to drop in and leave a little update. When I last posted we were being a bit more nonchalant in our approach and Kylie's condition was stable, but with a lot of room for further improvement.

We decided to go back on Protocol 1000; she's completed 9 days so far and what a difference!  I'm administering 3.0g of "cup 2" in 30g of distilled water by bottle 4x per day, roughly 90 mins apart, (When doing it on the hour, Kylie seemed to experience a little bloating and would become resistant to the bottle during later feedings - 90 mins fixes this issue for her.) Additionally for 3 days now, we've been doing a daily spray of her whole body with 10 drops NaClO2 and 10 drops HCL, in 1 ounce distilled water.

Hunger & Thirst - Kylie's appetite has never really had a major disruption, she continues to eat well.  Kylie's thirst level, while not quite as low as her pre-cushings consumption, has leveled off considerably.  At the height of her struggles, I was re-filling her bowl as many as 10 times per day and now we're at about 2-3 fills per day, (the ambient temperatures are slightly cooler, but not enough to justify this difference alone.)

Panting & Straining - At the height of her issues, Kylie was panting incessantly all day long. Now, it seems that she only does it once every few days and it seems to be to get my attention more than anything.  If I can't figure out what she needs, a drop of CBD oil and some petting calms her down. Straining - we would hear her making little moans all day long even if she was just sleeping; now we are just hearing it occasionally when she urinates.

Skin & Fur - the open sore has completely healed and some of the fur in that area has grown back. It's still not filled in with fur, it's noticeable but it seems like the fur will fill back in. The area where she was shaved in January has still not re-grown.  Everywhere else her fur is shiny and softer than it's ever been.  She seems to have more fur on her underside than ever before. Scabby patches of skin can still be found, but they look to be healing; there doesn't seem to be new patches.

Teeth - as a 13 year old dog who has never had a teeth cleaning and would not allow a toothbrush anywhere near her mouth, Kylie had some tartar/plaque when we started. One of the first effects we noticed when we started in August was that worst spots on her teeth shed the tartar instantly, (seriously this change was noted on Day 2 - it was amazing). With the tartar removed 2 cavities could then be seen in her teeth.  She still has those cavities and I have no way of measuring them, but they seem to be getting smaller.

Eyes - we have only seen a minimal improvement in her eyes.  They used to be totally bloodshot - both eyes (suspected to be due to cortisol depositing there.) Around the time we started MMS, Kylie injured the right eye - there's a noticeable spot where she must've run into a branch or something. The spot has not cleared and the right eye is still red, but the left is no longer red.  She does still have some of the old-dog cloudiness, but she does not have visible cataracts (the vet sees them with her tools, but they are not visible to the naked eye).

Muscle Tone - This is where we can start to see that MMS really does miracles!  Kylie is noticeably re-gaining tone in her midsection!!! Yes, she still is slightly pot-bellied, but it's undeniable that she is going in the direction of regaining tone - as far as I'm aware, something unheard of for Cushing's dogs.  Her rear-end still has a lot of rebuilding to do, but she is strong enough now, that she comes up our 4 steps every time by herself. The other day she briefly stood on her back 2 legs to get my attention and this morning she climbed her steps to get onto my bed!!!

Urination & Bowel Movements - She still seems to be urinating a bit more than her pre-cushing's self.  We may have created a little monster here though - pre-cushing's she had not had an accident in the house since the first week we brought her home. When she had the bladder infection, she had no control, so we started using pee pads. It seems to be more of choice than a necessity now, but at times she still goes on the pee pad rather than go outside. We clearly have a re-training issue, I'm encouraging her to potty outside, but I'm trying not to stress her over it either.  Her bowel movements are starting to become soft.  I am going to add yogurt and a probiotic powder to her diet. 

Energy & Personality - I saved the best for last!  Her bubbly, friendly little disposition is back in full force! She runs to greet people. She has kisses for all who welcome them. You can see it in her face - when she wasn't feeling well she had developed a grumpy old man (think Walter Matheu) kind of look, but now she's back to having a happy little puppy face again.  Her energy level is recovering nicely - she has to rebuild her endurance, but we take very short walks a few time per day and she's hopping and skipping along again in short spurts. She wants to get up and do stuff - she's not just sleeping 22 hours a day anymore. Pre-cushing's we bicycled almost daily and she would stand in her seat and lean into turns and it was a bit physical for her, but she stopped wanting to go on the bike when she wasn't feeling well.  We are back to taking bike rides, for about 15-20 mins she's standing/leaning making the most of the ride and then she lays down and is comfortable as a passive passenger until we return home.

At the beginning of August, we were starting to pray about the big decision that we thought we were being faced with imminently; MMS seems to have gifted us with more time to delay any such considerations.  She seems to be enjoying life again and we are enjoying every day with her too; we are hopeful that we'll have many more days together!