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Can anyone comment on whether the lower concentration CDH (.5ml / 100ml - 15ppm) has a more tolerable taste than CDS? I saw one of the advantages of lower ppm CDH was better taste. I was going to order pre-made CDS but was wondering if the taste was at least somewhat tolerable.

I've been using Dioxi Rinse and Dioxi Brite, an active clo2-based oral solution. It seemed to help initially w/ stomatitis but recently have had a setback where it's returned. I was planning to get some CDS (or CDH) as the next step. I'm hoping it has a stronger concentration then the Dioxi Rinse and does a better job.

Does anyone have any idea how the clo2 levels are in the Dioxi Rinse compare to CDS?

I saw one of the advantages of lower ppm CDH was better taste.

I am sure the comparison was between MMS1 and CDH. Since CDS has no residual MMS (SCS) or activator, the taste should be less than CDH.

If you want CLO2 and no sodium chlorite solution or activator, then CDS would be the one to make or buy. If buying, I suggest to buy the standard concentration, 3000 ppm and not 24,000 ppm, etc. Once you have that, you can add water to make any concentration you want.

Thanks for the clarification. The Dioxi Rinse requires mixing for activation so it is MMS based. It states that if it sits for 10 minutes after mixing it reaches maximum potency, then weakens after that. I tried to maximize when using it but stomatitis still has seemed to creep back in.

Most accounts seem to show Clo2 as a sure-fire remedy against oral bacteria so I'm a little perplexed. Wondering if penetration below gumline is an issue, although clo2 is supposed to have smaller molecules. Starting to consider using it with DMSO to see if that makes a difference, or DMSO alone. Heard good things about DMSO but a little concerned that it might loosen my aged fillings/crowns.

Also, teeth have yellowed despite claim that they should be whitened w/ clo2. I attribute this to the biofilm die-off I've seen discussed. Don't believe that residual dieoff could contribute to recurrence of stomatitis though.

I was actually considering a 24000 ppm CDS product as it's more cost-effective. I would use it based on 3000 ppm recommendations and just reduce dosage by 1/8th.

What would the disadvantages be w/ 24000 ppm vs 3000 pm?

Thanks,

John

I'm sure Dioxi-Rinse is much much milder, probably in the neighborhood of 100pm or less. Do you know what is causing your stomatitis?

Also, taste will be greatly effected by concentration. At 15ppm you can hardly taste the CLO2.

--Scott

Adding DMSO should cause CLO2 to penetrate flesh, bone and teeth more fully than without. I have never heard of DMSO causing loosening of fillings or crowns. Did you read that somewhere?

If your teeth are not being whitened when using Dioxi-Rinse, then there is not enough CLO2 available. A neighbor, who has a number of teeth problems, has noticed his coffee-stained teeth are now whitened when using CDS. The CDS CLO2 concentration he is using is quite high, but his teeth problems have stabilized and his stained teeth are now white. He has also realized that his mouth canker/cold sores are now gone.

CDS at 24,000 ppm is volatile, even explosive under the wrong conditions! Keep it away from direct sunlight. It will also degrade faster due to its high concentration. Every time you open the bottle, CLO2 gas will escape even when kept cold, which it should be. Store CDS in small, fully filled bottles in a fridge.

CDS can be made inexpensively. Using 12 ml of MMS and 12 ml of 50% citric acid or 10% HCL, you can make 240 ml of 3000 ppm CDS. If you pay $25 for 120 ml (4 fl oz) of MMS and activator, then 240 ml (8 fl oz) of 3000 ppm CDS will cost you $2.50*. Yes, you need to buy the containers to make CDS, but that is a one-time investment.

*If you use 4% HCL to make CDS you should get about 2500 ppm CLO2 concentration. Using a double infusion of MMS and 4% HCL, you can get 3000 ppm CDS using a total of 10 ml of each ingredient.

I'm don't remember where, but I did read that dmso may loosen fillings. Could have been a one-time coincidence that someone was reporting.

As for the yellowing of teeth, the yellowing actually worsened since using Dioxi Rinse. It wasn't just me who noticed this as my wife did as well. The bio-film die-off theory causing the yellowing has been discussed I believe on this forum. I'm ordering betonite clay powder to brush w/ which is supposed to do wonders for whitening.

Will stay away from 24k CDS. I will probably order 3K CDS pre-made for my first experience then move to producing my own after that. I've seen 10% HCL available out there. It would avoid having to do the double infusion but not sure how much more costly it might be.

Thanks,

John