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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 12 Feb 2012 17:39 #12325

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The Many Health Dangers of Fluoride

According to information from its Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS), and from the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), the pharmaceutical grade sodium fluoride is a dangerous toxin that can cause serious physical harm.

The chemical targets your:

Kidneys
Heart
Gastrointestinal system
Bone and skeletal structures
Teeth
Nerves

The MSDS for sodium fluoride also states that fluoride compounds can induce:

Systemic toxic effects on your heart, liver, and kidney

Depleted calcium levels in your body leading to hypocalcaemia and death

It points out that the toxic effect of fluoride might be delayed, and that laboratory experiments have resulted in the development of tumors.

In order to understand the long-term dangers of fluoride, it’s important to realize that fluoride is a cumulative poison.

Ninety-eight percent of the fluoride you ingest in water is absorbed into your blood through your gastrointestinal tract. From there, it enters your body’s cellular tissues. On average, about 50 percent of the fluoride you ingest each day gets excreted through your kidneys. The remainder accumulates in your teeth and bones, pineal gland, and other tissues, such as the aorta.

The amount deposited into your bones and teeth varies depending on your age. In children, more than 50 percent of an ingested dose of fluoride is deposited in bone, but in adults only about 10 percent is stored there.

As with teeth, fluoride is deposited in bone by the ionic exchange with hydroxyl-apatite as mentioned earlier. It does dissolve from bone as well, but at a slower rate than it is deposited, so if your intake remains constant, the level of fluoride in your bones increases linearly with age.
Therefore, if your kidneys are damaged, fluoride accumulation will increase, and with it, the likelihood of harm.

There are numerous health problems associated with the accumulation of fluoride in your body, such as:

Hyperactivity and/or lethargy
Arthritis
Dental fluorosis (staining and pitting of teeth)
Lowered thyroid function
Lowered IQ, and dementia
Disrupted immune system
Fluoride also causes genetic damage and cell death, inactivates at least 62 enzymes in your body, and accelerates the aging process.

Overdosing is Easy

When water fluoridation first began, the “optimal” level of fluoride for dental benefit was said to be 1 mg/day for an adult male, based on the estimate that the average adult male drank one liter of water per day. However, even at that level, 10 percent of the population (those in the high-risk group) was expected to get fluorosis.

But water is not the only source of added fluoride.

Although you may not know it, you are exposed to fluoride from many sources other than the obvious lineup of toothpastes and mouth rinses.

Far less obvious sources of fluoride include:

Food and beverages processed with fluoridated water
Mechanically de-boned meat
Pesticide residue on food
Pharmaceutical drugs, especially SSRI antidepressants and fluoroquinolone antibiotics like Cipro
Soy baby formulas
Instant tea

A 1991 review by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services shows just how drastic your overexposure might be when taking multiple sources into account.

Further Education

I strongly advise you to continue educating yourself about fluoride and to avoid it as much as you can.

The Fluoride Action Network is a phenomenal resource for further education, and they’re doing much to pressure the US government for change. Their Statement asking Congress to end water fluoridation in the United States has now been signed by over 2,750 professionals.

There are also a number of books on the subject that are well worth reading, including:



The Fluoride Deception by Christopher Bryson

Health Effects of Ingested Fluoride by Bernard Meyer Wagner

Fluoridation: the Great Dilemma by George L. Waldbott

Fluoride the Aging Factor : How to Recognize and Avoid the Devastating Effects of Fluoride by Dr. John Yiamouyiannis

Scientific Knowledge in Controversy: The Social Dynamics of the Fluoridation Debate by Brian Martin.

The Grim Truth About Fluoridation by Robert M. Buck
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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 12 Feb 2012 21:25 #12337

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Hi all,
Very new here all this talk and reams of chemists jargon isbeyond meand taking its toll on what I thought should have been an issue brought up sometime ago or is it a problem we have created I am wondering how good Jims Sodium chlorite added to our tap water would hold up it must have been ok for jungle swamp water, perhaps I have got it all wrong somewhere however I am having to put on hold the distilled water machine for now too expensive!.

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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 12 Feb 2012 21:50 #12340

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Mercedes, MMS has been mixed with "city water" for a long time now. It may or may not be optimal. (probably not, but IMHO fluoride is not optimal, any way you slice it) - Bill does tend to worry about things. Nothing wrong with that.

I still get my distilled water at Walmart - <G> I use it for making MMS and CDS, but use my well water for making my doses.
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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 12 Feb 2012 23:21 #12347

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It is frustrating as the fear of consuming fluoride may decrease our essential fluid intake and cause dehydration with all its complications. Most home water filters won't take out fluoride. The types of filters that do remove fluoride are activated alumina filters, reverse osmosis units, or distillation, but they are no easy options for the 3rd world. Collecting rain water is the easiest option if there is no other natural sources. Will MMS rid our bodies of the fluoride that is trapped in our bodies? Toxbase suggest if there is any poisoning to only treat symptomaticly and even activated charchoal is useless.
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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 12 Feb 2012 23:42 #12350

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Janneman use water that does not contain fluorine. Chlorinated water and just boil.

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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 12 Feb 2012 23:43 #12351

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It is frustrating as the fear of consuming fluoride may decrease our essential fluid intake and cause dehydration with all its complications. Most home water filters won't take out fluoride. The types of filters that do remove fluoride are activated alumina filters, reverse osmosis units, or distillation, but they are no easy options for the 3rd world. Collecting rain water is the easiest option if there is no other natural sources. Will MMS rid our bodies of the fluoride that is trapped in our bodies? Toxbase suggest if there is any poisoning to only treat symptomaticly and even activated charchoal is useless.


Good point!

How does Chlorine Dioxide interact with the trapped flouride already in our bodies?

Well, lets just be concerned with avoiding anymore flouride. So start drinking distilled water or any water that is flouride free. Add the minerals to the water if that is what you want to do.

As far as flouride in medicines like anti-depressant drugs -- well that is a problem because there are many people taking these medications.
Should these people be advised not to take MMS?

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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 12 Feb 2012 23:53 #12352

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As far as flouride in medicines like anti-depressent drugs, well that is a problem because there are many people taking these medications.
Should these people be advised not to take MMS? by BILL


It really is a difficult choice for people who take medications that contain fluoride because fluoride is cumulative in the human body. In my opinion people have to read the labels of your medications and if you tell the doctor to replace them with another that has not its substance, it is the simplest solution, I think.

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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 13 Feb 2012 02:02 #12363

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When you use MMS to purify tap water,
doesn't it remove the chlorine, floride and metals
like R/O does?

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Re: Does chlorine dioxide interact with flouride in drinking water? 13 Feb 2012 16:18 #12414

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When you use MMS to purify tap water,
doesn't it remove the chlorine, floride and metals
like R/O does?


Using Chlorine Dioxide or Sodium Chlorite to purify water is done so to kill off any pathogens in the water. It does not remove chlorine or flourine but it interacts with these chemicals. Use distilled water that has no flourine present. Also, chlorine is a gas so leave the water in an open conatiner and the chlorine will dissipate out just like chlorine dioxide does if left sitting in an open container. If you slowly heat the water it will free the gasses present but heat can also generate reactions between chemicals.

I feel safe and confident by saying do not use tap water for MMS products.

Use distilled water for best results.

Distilled water is used in many chemical experiements because other contaminants and chemicals have been removed.

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