What am I doing wrong??? Not getting anything CLOSE to what I have seen!

Hello good people.... I have been trying to create the no flavor CDS using the bubble method, however I never seem to get any pressure and certainly not enough to push through the bottle of water.

I first purchased sodium chlorite tech grade 80% and water in equal weight amounts.... as well as creating a 50% citric acid solution as the activator...I then take the 24 drops as seen in Jim's videos, and add an equal amount of citric acid, it immediately turns brown, I cap the baby bottle with plastic tubing running tightly through the nipple, and into the 0.5 LT bottle of water. I have not even used a diffusing stine because it would only restrict it more. When I blow into tubing once connected to the empty bottle I do create pressure so the baby bottle nipple combo is air tight, and as WARNED I leave the water bottle open because they said they can explode...lol..I can't even get it to bubble through the water let alone risk exploding one!

Please tell me what I MUST be missing so that I can begin my protocol 1000!

Much thanks for any help!

Peace Love and light to all!
Daniel
P.S. After researching this for almost a year, I have been spreading the word via email and facebook friends with every mention of someone experiencing anything that this has been proven to be treated effectively by this stuff, but don't tell anyone what it stinks like! LOL!

TSG
Are you familiar with MMS0
MMS0 is MMS in a gel capsule.
No taste , no smell if done in a closed bottle with dropper top.
MMS0 Zero Taste

You say 80% could you confirm that value please.
Also
see new insructions

Thanks for the quick response!

I checked out the attachment and this is what I had hoped to be MAKING with this process. I am aware of the gel cap option but was also hoping to avoid the stomach discomfort of this method since it still is ingesting the full strength citric acid or whatever is left of it after the reaction has completed.

I have tried hot bath, both in a sink at approx 145° as well as in a double boiler as Andre' demonstrated in one video, as well as Jim in an updated one, and still not results... I only get bubbling for the period it takes for the air in the bottle to expand from the heat, but that's it and hardly enough tu turn the water yellow from absorbing the cds gas.

You asked for confirmation of 80% sodium chlorite solution, how would I do this? I can only state that I bought Sodium Chlorite flakes technical grade 80% and mixed one pound of it with approximately Two quarts of water,(It was indicated to use equal amounts of "weighed" substances, as opposed to the liquid measure and dry measure of each, unless this was not correct?) let it dissolve and settle, removed a little film on top and avoided stirring up the sediment when drawing it into clean glass jars with nonreactive sealing lids. I would imagine buying this direct from a reputable chemical company I would get exactly what it is marked as being considering the regulations in place for such companies shipping the stuff, and considering the numerous other chemicals I bought from this company, which were perfectly fine for what they were meant to be (Nitric acid 70%, hydrochloric acid 35% Pure Citric acid granules, and prilled urea, as some examples) I doubt the sodium chlorite was of an inferior quality.

Although I am hardly a chemist, I am not completely ignorant of many of the processes, which is why this has me so stumped...and the only thing I could think of was either confusing or mixing up the mixing instructions to arrive at the (accurately 22%) 28% solution. Is there some kind of means by which to determine the strength in solution? or will I need to precipitate it out of solutions and start all over??

Thanks for any additional info you can provide!
Daniel

Sorry I just noticed I got his name wrong.. I meant to say following Andreas, video instructions... And I was about to state that your indicating CDS was 3k ppm was supposed to be around 5k ppm if I remember correctly but then saw the little added note about strength when reviewing it more thoroughly!

Thanks again!
Daniel

I first purchased sodium chlorite tech grade 80% and water in equal weight amounts...
...It was indicated to use equal amounts of "weighed" substances...

Your recipe for making 22.4% sodium chlorite is incorrect. Please read these instructions:
mmsinfo.org/infosheets/What_is_MMS_and_How_to_Make_it.pdf

This may also interest you:
www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/cds_shot_glass_travel_kit.pdf

To answer your first question....

Fill a tall pot with water, push your baby bottle in that pot until the screw top is under water....do you see any bubbles coming from your baby bottle? Have you been smelling the gas? My guess is that the screw top has a slight hole in it - the gas will escape through that hole rather than go up the tube.
For a remedy - wrap some plastic tightly around the screw top and screw tightly.

I had verified there were no leaks, and as I said when using the hot water bath the only bubbles I get are until the expansion of air in the bottle has come up to temperature, however I had watched Jim do this in a video without any heat, and simply counted the 24 drops of each, capped it (in a large baby bottle) and watched it bubble through the bottle of water turning the water yellow....so I feel I am not getting nearly as much of a reaction as is demonstrated in the video...then I saw Andreas Klatcher's hot water method and tried that but still bubbling ceases after about five minutes without turning the water in the receiving bottle nearly close to 500 PPM..which as I said seems to only be the heat expansion of the cool air in the bottle and not from the actual reaction.

I have since increased the concentration of citric acid to 70% as well as added 3 oz of Sodium Chlorite 80% Tech grade to the EXISTING solution, but noticed only a change in how dark the mixture gets when activated, however this only resulted in (estimate) MAYBE 30-60 PPM If I hold another bottle of water next to this one, only then can I see a slight tinge of yellow to it...hardly an effective concentration.

Although I DO tend to smell CDS when this is happening (and for a few days after ...but i have an exceptionally sensitive olfactory sense, and can detect salt in water and sugar in coffee) I attributed this to the gas escaping from the bubbles going through the receiving bottle... keep in mind Jim recommended in an updated video not to cap the bottle receiving the gas because one of the bottles could explode, I promise you that I am not getting enough reaction long enough, let alone to produce enough to pop either the baby bottle or the water bottle. This is why I feel something is wrong.

I wish there was a better trouble shooting guide or something, although I doubt this, but say the Sodium Chlorite wasn't what it was labeled to be, is there any method to determine the concentration in solution? Maybe by PH or something?

Thanks,
Daniel

We have several CDS methods that do not use heat - you may find that one of those works better for what you're trying to do. In my experience, I have only had good experience actually measuring (by weight) my MMS and my water and my citric acid and its water.

Rev Ray...Thank you, for some reason I did not see any other replies except for the one beneath by Dawna....(but I think there may be connectivity issues for my browser reporting the page crashed repeatedly...probably the "Fan Club") I will review the informational attachment, it appears to be gold...and I appreciate the equations allowing for a better means of producing the correct strength considering the mentioned variances.

Although my sodium Chlorite Flake, was from a reputable chemical company with posted GA's there is no way of knowing if it was possibly old or exposed to heat or light or air for extended periods...etc... so having this to confirm I am MIXING correctly will allow me to question them of these possibilities should I not get the expected response starting over with these accurate calculations and using half of remaining flakes I have.

Thankfully I am not experiencing any urgent acute issues!

I would also note that when simply activating my existing mms with 50% citric acid, to make CDS1 (non bubble through method) waiting three minutes and then adding the appropriate water for use throughout the day, what I get appears to be the right concentration according to the color of the water, and I have been trying to bubbling method in order to avoid both the taste (even with the 1/8th tsp of baking soda) and avoiding the irritation of the stomach, which is why I did not resort to using the gel caps i have for other supplements...of course if i had an acute issue like cancer, i would not allow such discomforts from impeding the course of treatment....it is all about intelligent priorities!

Since I cannot determine what the resulting concentrations of the previous batch are,I wished to mention why they will not go to waste....as I understand it MMS/CDS is a broad spectrum fungicide...so I will use it to experiment with a particularly troublesome fungal disease often plaguing my plants and to see if it will also prevent prohibit another problem called damping off! I will begin with extremely dilute solutions (since it is what I have been getting from the bubble method) I will check later if there is a forums header for submitting such experimentation in its use...being an avid gardener and highly technical person, I also have a few other potential uses for the oxidizing effects of this substance! And would gladly share my findings with the rest! if it is appropriate here!

But my true intention was the parasite purge protocols, because until I can cleanse my body of them and the resulting toxins, no other measures will be very effective at controlling or preventing the nasties so many report such great results in handling and curing!

Thanks so much,
Daniel

Welcome to the world of making CDS.

Unfortunately the method you are trying is the original procedure. Making CDS that way is a pain - as you are discovering. Also the concentration of CL02 in the reactor bottle is very high - which can be explosive (above 10%).

There is another method which uses an aquarium pump, plumbed into the reactor bottle which then blows the CD over to the collector bottle(s) . I used that until the method JB13 sent you the link to came out. One advantage is that you can do a "dry" run - just water in the reactor to ensure there are no leaks - prior to charging the reactor. Leaking is the number one problem and frequent.

I now only use the overnight method - it's dead simple and reliable.