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Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knows why we only activate for 20 seconds and then add water and drink as apposed to giving the activation process more time. Is there some reason for this? Like maybe it's better to not activate all of the sodium chlorite outside of the body (in the glass) so that when we swallow the mix, there is still some left to be activated in our stomach or maybe even in the blood stream? Have any of you ministers been told specifically the reason for this?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

All the best,
Scott

Hi, Scott.

That is a good question and I don't have the answer. Your suggestions may be correct, but may bother some people if the activation continues in the stomach. I think Andreas is going to address that question in his book on CDS. We are waiting for it to be published!

Have you seen my tests on activation times?

www.mmsinfo.org/infosheets/mms1_ppm_vs_activation_time-3.pdf

I sent it to Jim and he thought it was interesting, but don't know if he is going to make any changes.

Hi JB,

I checked out your test and bravo! That's great work that you've done there that I think is extremely important information that we need to know to understand what works best to get the clo2 as high as possible as quick as possible. It also gives us valuable info about how much sodium chlorite is NOT getting converted in the first place. If it's not getting converted, as is what appears to be happening especially with lemon juice and vinegar, then that means when we drink it, it's getting converted in the stomach and I think that may be what is causing nausea for some people.

Again, great work on that test - thank you for doing it.

All the best,
Scott


PS. Below is a visual test that I did to show how the sodium chlorite continues to activate over time.

Scott, that is an interesting set of photos you took. To my eyes, it seems like one should let a new batch of activated MMS (MMSA) sit at least 15 minutes before ingesting the first dose.

Referring to my chart and looking at the two citric acid results, citric acid seems to keep the ClO2 concentration fairly constant after one minute of activation. We know that the MMSA solution will outgas in an open container, (you can smell the ClO2) which is how my tests were done, and it seems the unused citric acid makes up for the loss of outgassed ClO2 by generating more ClO2 from the unused MMSU (unactivated MMS) still in solution.

That would suggest that some unused citric acid & MMSU remains in the MMSA which is disagreeable in some stomachs. So, the MMSA is not fully activated, it would seem. Certainly not at 20 seconds of activation time.

Note that 4% HCl activator gets used up after 60 seconds of activation time and does not continue to produce much ClO2 beyond 60 seconds. It does convert more MMSU into ClO2 than citric acid, but how much MMSU remains in solution?

So, I am sure when ingesting MMSA one is also ingesting some MMSU which may be activated in the stomach. And if citric acid activator was used, some of that will be ingested, too.

Note the terms I used, MMSU & MMSA. MMS is first unactivated (MMSU), then when activated with an appropriate acid becomes activated (MMSA). These two solutions are different chemical solutions and I think should be labeled differently. In other words, MMSU and MMSA are not the same chemical solutions.

If the goal is to produce only ClO2, then making CDS seems like the way to go. And, if the shot glass/overnight method is used, you will have at least 12 hours of activation time to produce a lot of ClO2 in a closed container with little loss of ClO2 due to outgassing.

But, we know that MMSA contains more than ClO2, so using MMSA may be more beneficial than CDS for some purposes.

And now. some are adding MMSU to CDS which is called CDS+. I don't know anything about that new chemical solution other than it is called CDS+.

Hi JB. I'm going to try and summarize what I spent over an hour typing before and losing it all due to this forum automatically logging me out.

1. I like your use of MMSU, MMSA AND MMS because it can be confusing.
2. I downloaded Kerri's book and it looks as though she prefers CD over CDS or even CDS+ at this point but is still trying CDS+
3. CDS+ is adding 20 ml of MMSU to 1000 ml CDS which is equal to .4 drops per 1 ml of CDS
4. .4 drops per ml of MMSU may not be enough to cause stomach upset
5. Since the 20 ml of MMSU is being added to 1000 ml of CDS which will be gradually consumed over a long period of time, it may get activated itself which would help to maintain the CDS+ at a higher PPM because as we know, over time CDS does gradually out-gas.

Thanks for all you do my Genesis 2 Forum friend,

All the best,
Scott

interesting

Thanks Scott for your input. This is interesting work and hopefully more results from testimonials will prove or disapprove the concoctions we come up with!

Yes, Kerri is using the term CD instead of MMS. But by CD she also means chlorine dioxide, I think. Very confusing to me. I will stick with MMSU & MMSA.

I want to do some testing with CDS+ and see what I can find out.

Okay JB. Looking forward to see what you find out.

Scott

Hi Steve and thanks for your more technical explanation of the activation process.

I think the proof is in the pudding, and people like Jim, Amanda Mary, Andreas, Kerri and others are showing us what works for them. Without funding for expensive trials, studies, etc, testimonials are the only way we can learn what works and what doesn't.

Your comments:
"Being bound to the citric acid, the HCl in the stomach will not activate it in the same manner as if it were just MMS alone."
and:
"If we convert all the gas available from MMS1, you may as well just use CDS, as the liquid left behind will have no "active ingredient left""
may give credence to adding MMSU to CDS which is then called CDS+.

Sure, you can use the chart. Glad it is of interest to others!