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Dear Friends,

On the 17th of November 2010, 19:00. Approximately 10 to 15 people from various, local government departments, which included officers from trading standards and police entered my home under the force of a warrant issued by the Barrow In Furness Magistrates court.

This action is based on the premise of certain infringing goods and Regulation 23 of the General Safety Regulations 2005 www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2005/1803/pdfs/uksi_20051803_en.pdf stated on the warrant issued to me.

At the time I was not home; My wife was at home alone and the above officers forced entry to our home by preventing my wife from closing the door. Thankfully my 19 month little boy of was sleeping and was not subjected to this totally unnecessary, irrational, behaviour from the very people who present themselves as the caring protectors of individuals within society.

As I engaged in dialogue with the officer from the trading standards, Mr Eamonn Quinn from the Ulverston, Trading standards office, I asked the reason for his presence; I was informed firstly, there has been a complaint from a person who bought a product from my web site www.alternativeconcepts.co.uk ( which is currently unavailable will details about this incident will be there soon). I was then, informed, later this complaint was from Trading Standards Central office, and then again, from a person, of whom I have no details.

Through the fear of protecting my wife and son from the potential danger from these individuals i directed them to the MMS solutions stored in my garage they claim are in infringement. All items were seized, along with my computer and mobile phone. The computer is the only item which has been returned. My mobile phone has not. So please do not try to call me on it, please call 07831550765.

I cannot support the actions of these organisations that will go to these lengths on the strength of ONE CONPLAINT. It is incomprehensible and completely unjust that such extremes are within the guidelines of Trading Standards. Imagine a business man coming to your home, forcing entry because you complained about their product, imagine how unacceptable this would be. Imagine owning a business and a customer complained about your product, you can expect Trading Standards to seize all your products, computers, imagine the damage to your business, your livelihood, your personal well being yet this is what has happened to me.

I would like it to be known publically that I find it completely unacceptable, unjust and irrational behaviour from the above agencies that have entered my PRIVATE home through the use of force because there is a complaint; one complaint from an unknown individual.

The social structures and organisations like the Trading Standards who openly claim, safer stronger communities are principle functions designed to PROTECT individuals within our society from criminal elements of consumer goods is now very debatable and the competency of those who are in public office, using public money is uncertain based on the events above.

I think, this is a very clear example why this country is bankrupt and local authorities employ individuals who do not care nor have experience to spend public money. Our current television and newspapers continue to tell you and me, we have a massive debt. You and me do not have debt. Local authorities and banks have debt through irresponsible spending, mismanagement, fraud, incompetence and the inability to produce free competitive values for all in society. Our council taxes are rising, yet the forced value is reducing, we are paying more and receiving less, we are working harder and resting less.

When you compare this, to the amount of tax which provides the very generous salaries of £100,000 plus to local authority senior heads which are non completive, employ thousands of people they do not need and provide the worst services within society, it is clear why our financial structures have failed.

Please excuse me I have gone of the point, as you can read I am extremely upset about this whole situation and hopefully when the facts are presented, based, on solid science, WHO statistics and documents, substance amounts, hazards and risks, mixers and substances, official independent documents, ADR, REACH, CLP and the EPA data then this matter will be completely seen from a whole new context.

The issue of this warrant is a very clear example of how neither REASON nor communication was attempted from the trading standards to resolve an alleged single complaint regarding this solution. Who will protect the innocent? Who have not defrauded or used force against any single person, I base my core principles on being honest, my family and producing objective values so these values can be exchanged freely between all people for whatever reason they choose to benefit from them.

On the 17th November 2010 my life changed forever, I am now made to feel that I am the criminal, the killer of life, values and peoples happiness. The Trading Standards will now attempt to show through the dishonest uses of Non sequiturs and out of context facts and statements that I am a criminal who has no regard for people’s health safety and well being.

For those of you who know me, you will know that I am none of the above and it is to you, that I write this letter to inform you I will no longer be able to provide the water purification solution, which I have never conducted this as a business as many of you know I have always provided my knowledge and support so that people can safely engage through free choice in the areas which they choose.

However I need to now focus on protecting my wife and little boy from irrationality which is legally allowed to operate within OUR society. My whole ability to live productively, feed my family and pay my way through life is now, I fear, in grave jeopardy due to these people entering my place of employment with a warrant, without regard for the embarrassment or implications that this has caused which may result in the termination of employment from a company that I have produced and provided values for more than 12 years.

If I am to be a criminal for helping others, then my ability to feed my family will be destroyed. It will be destroyed in the public interest because Mr Quinn at Trading Standards claims to operate from the premise of safer stronger communities.

As demonstrated in these events, agencies and individuals can, without regard to honest objective law, which protects individuals and earned property from force and fraud, can terrorise, steal and use force against anyone whom they believe will pose a threat to others without verifiable evidence, facts or basis. These are the very same principles we can observe from history e.g. Nazi Germany before the Second World War. Is history repeating it’s self?

We have spent Billions of pounds and lost 100’s of innocent British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention the 1.5 + million innocent citizens in these countries who work like you and I to support their, families are now dead because of lies and dishonesty expressed by the British government. Weapons of mass destruction deception are a clear example, of which, after ten years have never been found. If our leaders, past and present that use dishonesty, fraud and deceptions to invade other countries and claim monies through bogus expenses and are legally exempt from their actions and responsibilities then our local social structures will also be protected and exempt from crimes, fraud, force and deceptions committed in our name.

Our future, our children’s future will be doomed if this nothingness is not prevented by hard working people like you and me. I can assure you, I will do EVERYTHING in my ability to prevent these social crimes being committed and not prosecuted in front of the public. This is you and me, we are the public.

What do I ask of you?

* · Please send this email to everyone you know who uses MMS water purification solution on your contact lists and everyone who does not.
* · I am looking for help in the following areas:-
* · Legal cost, donations, which will be returned if not used.
* · Legal guidance from honest individuals.
* · Qualified Chemist, scientist and other professionals in regulatory areas.
* · Honest media who can present facts in context, and not use deception, collusion.
* · Psychologist
* · Language Linguist
* · Video cameraman and editor.

These unjust actions most be prevented from happening in our society; our freedoms must not be lost to these individuals in government agencies who exist through force or the threat of force to justify their existence. Who hide behind subjective laws created only for the purpose of uncompetitive individuals gaining favourable advantages which they would otherwise not gain through MORAL AND ETHICAL principles. We are reputedly a democracy and we can choose our HEALTH, HAPPINESS and WELBEING.

I must also state that not all of our public servants are lazy and dishonest, in fact, the largest majority are hard working and really make a difference to people’s lives. However, there are small proportions who are destroyers of values and happiness through their irrational, life threatening harsh actions.

My email address is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Thank you for your time

Important Definitions

* infringing goods = goods which are made in infringement of a copyright or patent
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* Non sequitur = 1. a statement having little or no relevance to what preceded it, 2. a conclusion that does not follow from the premise. (This word should be understood over all others. Once understood, dishonest destructive individuals will no longer be able to trick your mind or use statements out of context to defraud you and make the innocent guiltily.)
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* Premise = A statement that affirms or denies something upon which an argument is based or from which a conclusion is drawn.
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* Context = 1. The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning. 2. The conditions and circumstances that is relevant to an event, fact, etc.

The facts are if the trading standards operate from a premise of SAFER STRONGER COMMUNICTIES when why do they knowingly allow poisons in our drinking water? This can be supported with evidence!

Also Trading Standards should be investigating known chemicals, which HAVE DOCUMENTED evidence to cause genuine health concerns.

I think is time for MMS to change name to confuse the corrupted agency by those who want to help people. Those has been help will only be expose to it so to gain real support. In this way, our movement can become bigger...... for mankind benefits.

frankly, i dare not to expose the name of mms too, i prefer to use other names until one is healed and willing to support our movement.

Hi Edwin, Why not just call it "sodium chlorite solution?" - that will avoid anyone who gets triggered by the term MMS.

I don't like the idea of using made-up terms like the one used by Will Spencer in the Gulf - "Advanced Oxygen Therapy." His high-profile client, Kendra Arneson, was very upset when she found out it was the same as MMS.

In response to your comments about the relabeling, mislabeling that Wil Spencer has engaged in with MMS, I'd like to add that Wil Spencer has an integrity problem. He has trouble with the truth. Kendra Arnesen and her followers learned that the hard way. In Louisiana he is still peddling his AOT, without adding that it really is MMS.

And, that is an integrity issue. Spencer : Tell the truth and let the consumer do the research and decide if they want the product. He speaks of Jim Humble as if he and Jim are colleagues. He told me that his colleague Jim Humble has had a lot of success with AOT. Mr. Humble does not know Spencer and Humble has no affiliation with AOT.

Spencer is scheduled to speak in Louisiana at the Unity Church of Christ on October 9. I was going to attend as his client. Now, I am attending so that I can inform the unsuspecting of who this man really is.

www.unitychurchbr.org/tp40/application.asp?app=CalendarDetail&type=&cid=5091&id=133872&Date=10/9/2011I

During my telephone appointment with him he was evasive, unorganized and would not put anything in writing. I decided to research him and his products more. I found the MMS mislabeling issue with Kendra and the Gulf Oil victims. He told me that he had done phenomenal work with Kendra and her group. That is not true. She calls him a "liar" and publicly stated he preyed on her. She discontinued her relationship with him and denounces him.

When I began to ask detailed questions about his program, he directed his assistant Del to tell me that he was not feeling well when he spoke to me and mentally may have made some mistakes in what he said. He sounded fine to me. Also, he won't respond to my questions in writing either. These are integrity issues. So, when Spencer gets caught in a lie he claims "mental incompetence"? Sounds like his preparing for a criminal defense.

The levees in New Orleans collapsed because of the integrity of the leeves. The water came and there was a breach. Lack of integrity leads to a breach.

The mislabeling MMS to AOT is an attempt to disguise, to hide, to lie!. Only a person who lacks integrity would do that. Spencer even states on this blog that you all call AOT MMS. He still can't admit that AOT is MMS. Why does he want to deceive? I'll answer that - because he lacks integrity. If he deceives once he will do it again, because of his lack of integrity.

Continuing to trust him is like saying that Satan made a mistake when he beguiled Eve, it was a big mistake but we should ignore it. Folks, it is Satan. He lacks integrity! But Satan is honest about what he does, he does not try to conceal that he roams the earth seeking to devour. Spencer gives no such warning.

Folks, Spencer is doing the same thing - roaming the earth, searching Facebook, looking for the sick - to see who he can devour!

Whether MMS works, is harmful, etc. is not the issue to me when it comes to Wil Spencer. The issue is whether Wil Spencer will tell you the truth about his products so the consumer can make an informed decision about using them.

I also question his understanding of diseases. I have celiac disease. I informed him of that and he still tried to push a product he sells that contains "gluten" on me. The only way to manage celiac disease is to avoid gluten. Any person who holds themselves out as a medical professional should care enough about the health of others to not push a product on a person that is harmful for them just to make a dollar.

In fairness to Spencer, I informed him that his product contained gluten and celiacs can't take it. He won't even acknowledge that his product contains gluten, although, his website clearly list one of the ingredients as being barley. He has an excuse for that too - his websites don't work well.

I live in Louisiana and love it's citizens. I am determined to do my part to stop Spencer from preying on us. He sells his products at a higher price to Louisiana residents! He lies about his relationship with Kendra Arnesen, he intentionally mislabels products and misleads Louisiana residents.

I would caution all of you to question his integrity and remember that lack of integrity will lead to a breach. And as Kendra will tell you, she is NOT his client and encourages others to be aware.

I think we all need to store a good supply this product with friends and family.

WPD..... Water Purification Drops is what it has been called originally for 80 years now was my understanding...... and that is what it is...... WPD

that dumb robodrone tard kindra should get down on her knees and thank god will spencer gave her help which worked.really,mms people are wasting their time with brainwashed retards like her.
let them stay sick and die,use the mms for those who want to get better and want to know!
there are too many idiot drones in this world.

kendra can go get stuffed,she an ungrateful brainwashed tard.not worth will spencers time..

hes evasive because mystery religion asshats like you want to put him out of circulation,with your "great work"(the murder of innocent people..
and if thats not you
he is evasive because as one of the brainwashed nlp drones u r dangerous to his wellbeing.
and if thats not u,
then he is evasive due to the big brother current program to crush healing modalities,so they can impliment the genocide,for pop control/blood ritual,USING paid agents/unwitting dupes(IDIOCRACY) such as you.

thats why..