Is Rain Water Good enough to make MMS?

Macaddict08 wrote: Dood,

There is no use in talke=ing here.... you're referring to Fuji water is the same as Solé water ??

It's not.

Use a Hygrometer to measure the density of Solé water. You'll find out it's about the same as Fiji water (name correction, it was not Fuji) with a low content of minerals (about 100 times lower) as compared to Sea Water
Most mineralized commercial waters are a "Business Model".

And, again.... show me lab data that Distilled will wash out minerals... there is none.

And, then again, show me lab data that MMS works... there is none. (But we know it does

Again, I don't drink plain distilled. Did you even read my post ?

Clint

Yes, Clint. I did read your post. You add Solé water to your distilled water, which is plain acid water, and if you actually read my post, where I asked if you measured the PH of your Solé water?, you'll see that it has a PH of way less than 7.4, which is below "Neutral" water. And if you mix Solé water with distilled water, you'll get even LESS normal PH water.

Do a test with Evian, Volvic, or just about any "Prime" mineral water, and you'll see how poor "Neutral" water it is .
Do the same with one of those waters, or even your Solé water but add a cap full of Sea Water, and you'll see the PH rise close to 7.6 (Undiluted Sea Water is 8.4)
And please, do some research yourself, or wait for Andreas Kalcker's book which will talk about Sea Water or read the link I posted previously where it talks about all the benefits of Sea Water. I had several great talks with him personally last month when he was here in Puerto Rico for his conference, and we learned A LOT of things we didn't know about Sea Water, and we even picked up some water with him at this place Pics here: mmspr.blogspot.com/p/galeria-de-fotos.html (first pic left top, place where we took two gallons of Sea Water home) so I'm not talking nonsense. This is for real!

-Karl

I have tried the sea water you are referring to, a few years ago when it came out... it was very expensive,(way over priced if you ask me) ... but to be honest, I (and my friend who bought it with me) felt no difference. It sounded good on paper, but we honestly didn't feel a difference.

I want to do what you have posted (measure the density of the Solé water)..cause I find it hard to believe that the Solé water (which is VERY salty completely saturated with Himalayan Salt, & full of trace minerals) is the same as say Fiji water... it makes no sense.

Can you tell me the name of the test strips to buy ?... to test for pH ?

thanks

Clint

Macaddict08 wrote:
I want to do what you have posted (measure the density of the Solé water)..cause I find it hard to believe that the Solé water (which is VERY salty completely saturated with Himalayan Salt, & full of trace minerals) is the same as say Fiji water... it makes no sense.

I'm sure it is better water than Fiji, but it is still far away from real Sea Water which has a PH of 8.4, "live" plankton/phytoplankton which won't be available in any bottled water, even the excelent Himalayan Salt. Once it's dry, there are some elements that are gone, which are only available on live Sea Water.

Can you tell me the name of the test strips to buy ?... to test for pH ?

thanks

Clint

Sure!, any test strips. Go to a local PetSmart or pet shop and get any PH strips, or at a pool supply.
First test the distilled water. You'll see you get a PH of about 6.8 (or worse!).
Now test your Solé water. If you get anything above ~7.6, that would be great!. because it means it's above neutral water, and it's more alkaline.
And if you add 1 cap full of Sea Water to your Solé water, you'll see it bumps up to around 8, which is very good alkaline water.
Even if you add 1 cap full of Sea Water to 16 ounces of distilled water, you should see that the PH comes out to around 7 (or close), but the mineral content will be far above any commercial bottled mineral water, including Solé water.

-Karl

Thanks for the suggestion... I'll make a trip to the store on Monday, and do a few tests.

We live smack dab in the middle of Canada (where 'men are Men, and ... sheep are Nervous'... of you know what I mean) So, getting sea water up here would be next to impossible, and extremely costly.


To be clear ... exactly what amount of Solé water are you saying I should add to how much plain distilled water ?

thanks

p.s.
sorry for the attitude earlier.... I must have been too dehydrated from the distilled water I was drinking.... ahem

Clint

Macaddict08 wrote: To be clear ... exactly what amount of Solé water are you saying I should add to how much plain distilled water ?

thanks

You have to test the Solé water first to see what PH it has alone. Then I would add it to filtered water. I still wouldn't use distilled water, because I'm sure you would have to use a lot of Solé water added to distilled water, in order to bring up the PH even to "Normal" potable level.

p.s.
sorry for the attitude earlier.... I must have been too dehydrated from the distilled water I was drinking.... ahem

Clint

Don't worry! Two months ago, if anyone would have told me that drinking Sea Water was good, I would have sounded off WAY worse than you! Even calling "Crazy" (or worse) anyone who would suggest it. After reading a lot about it, and trying it myself, now I know the truth! ( Same thing happened the first time I heard of MMS! )

-Karl

I found this, which clearly makes a lot of sense, after hearing Andreas Kalcker's conference and explanation of cancer cells.

The following text is from this web site: Reference: www.mercola.com/article/water/distilled_water.htm

"During nearly 19 years of clinical practice I have had the opportunity to observe the health effects of drinking different types of water. Most of you would agree that drinking unfiltered tap water could be hazardous to your health because of things like

parasites
chlorine
fluoride
dioxins

Many health fanatics, however, are often surprised to hear me say that drinking distilled water on a regular, daily basis is potentially dangerous.

Paavo Airola wrote about the dangers of distilled water in the 1970's when it first became a fad with the health food crowd.

Distillation is the process in which water is boiled, evaporated and the vapour condensed. Distilled water is free of dissolved minerals and, because of this, has the special property of being able to actively absorb toxic substances from the body and eliminate them. Studies validate the benefits of drinking distilled water when one is seeking to cleanse or detoxify the system for short periods of time (a few weeks at a time).

Fasting using distilled water can be dangerous because of the rapid loss of electrolytes (sodium, potassium, chloride) and trace minerals like magnesium, deficiencies of which can cause heart beat irregularities and high blood pressure. Cooking foods in distilled water pulls the minerals out of them and lowers their nutrient value.

Distilled water is an active absorber and when it comes into contact with air, it absorbs carbon dioxide, making it acidic. The more distilled water a person drinks, the higher the body acidity becomes.

According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, "Distilled water, being essentially mineral-free, is very aggressive, in that it tends to dissolve substances with which it is in contact. Notably, carbon dioxide from the air is rapidly absorbed, making the water acidic and even more aggressive. Many metals are dissolved by distilled water."

The most toxic commercial beverages that people consume (i.e. cola beverages and other soft drinks) are made from distilled water. Studies have consistently shown that heavy consumers of soft drinks (with or without sugar) spill huge amounts of calcium, magnesium and other trace minerals into the urine.

The more mineral loss, the greater the risk for osteoporosis, osteoarthritis, hypothyroidism, coronary artery disease, high blood pressure and a long list of degenerative diseases generally associated with premature aging.

A growing number of health care practitioners and scientists from around the world have been advocating the theory that aging and disease is the direct result of the accumulation of acid waste products in the body.

There is a great deal of scientific documentation that supports such a theory. A poor diet may be partially to blame for the waste accumulation.

These and other junk foods can cause the body to become more acidic:

meats
sugar
alcohol
fried foods
soft drinks
processed foods
white flour products
dairy products

Stress, whether mental or physical can lead to acid deposits in the body.

There is a correlation between the consumption of soft water (distilled water is extremely soft) and the incidence of cardiovascular disease. Cells, tissues and organs do not like to be dipped in acid and will do anything to buffer this acidity including the removal of minerals from the skeleton and the manufacture of bicarbonate in the blood.

The longer one drinks distilled water, the more likely the development of mineral deficiencies and an acid state.

I have done well over 3000 mineral evaluations using a combination of blood, urine and hair tests in my practice. Almost without exception, people who consume distilled water exclusively, eventually develop multiple mineral deficiencies.

Those who supplement their distilled water intake with trace minerals are not as deficient but still not as adequately nourished in minerals as their non-distilled water drinking counterparts even after several years of mineral supplementation.

The ideal water for the human body should be slightly alkaline and this requires the presence of minerals like

calcium
magnesium

Distilled water tends to be acidic and can only be recommended as a way of drawing poisons out of the body. Once this is accomplished, the continued drinking of distilled water is a bad idea.

Water filtered through reverse osmosis tends to be neutral and is acceptable for regular use provided minerals are supplemented.

Water filtered through a solid charcoal filter is slightly alkaline. Ozonation of this charcoal filtered water is ideal for daily drinking. Longevity is associated with the regular consumption of hard water (high in minerals). Disease and early death is more likely to be seen with the long term drinking of distilled water.

Avoid it except in special circumstances.

Zoltan P. Rona MD MSc

References

Airola, P. 1974. How To Get Well. Phoenix, AZ: Health Plus Publishers.

Baroody, Dr. Theodore A. Jr. Alkalinize or Die. California:Portal Books, 1995.

Haas, Elson M. Staying Healthy with Nutrition. The Complete Guide to Diet & Nutritional Medicine. Berkeley, California:Celestial Arts, 1992; p. 22.

Rona, Zoltan P. and Martin, Jeanne Marie. Return to the Joy of Health, Vancouver: Alive Books, 1995.

Rona, Zoltan P. Childhood Illness and The Allergy Connection. Rocklin, California:Prima Books, 1996."

karl,

I am curious,

when it sais:

Water filtered through reverse osmosis tends to be neutral and is acceptable for regular use provided minerals are supplemented.

Does this mean that ALL the Fluoride is removed when it is filtered .... not to beat a dead horse here... but a BIG concern with 'Filtered' water, is that very little of the Fluoride is removed, and is still absorbed when even after it is filtered.

What kind of filtration system removes Fluoride, effectively, would you know ?

thanks

Clint

Macaddict08 wrote: karl,

I am curious,

when it sais:

Water filtered through reverse osmosis tends to be neutral and is acceptable for regular use provided minerals are supplemented.

Does this mean that ALL the Fluoride is removed when it is filtered .... not to beat a dead horse here... but a BIG concern with 'Filtered' water, is that very little of the Fluoride is removed, and is still absorbed when even after it is filtered.

What kind of filtration system removes Fluoride, effectively, would you know ?

thanks

Clint

No sure Clint!
Not all filters remove Fluoride. You have to make sure it specifically says it removes it. Some "joker" filter manufacturers say on the labels: "Doesn't remove beneficial fluoride"! Yeah right!
So you have to check the filter type.

-Karl

Thanks Karl,

I'm not so sure ANY filter will remove a safe enough level of fluoride so we can drink it to be healthy.... my feeling.... and if it does... it'll cost an arm and a leg.

See, here is the thing with filters that they don't tell you (and I am sure you are aware of this karl)... for say a plain ole charcoal filter filtering tap water.... that filter might before good for about 6 passes or uses, THEN, you pretty much have to throw it out if you still want to get the same degree of water quality as before. The reason being is, those filters fill up with gunk very quickly..... so, the first pass it get 99.2% of the stuff out.... but then on the 2nd pass, it gets 96% out, and so on....... they don't tell you this !!!! ..... and the average Joe public thinks that those filters will last months, when in fact, they will only last a few days.

The same is for an expensive Reverse Osmosis System .... you have to change the main membrane AND the charcoal filters earlier than what is recommended for use by the manufacturer.

Ok ... I'll get offa my pedestal now ....



Clint

Really interesting thread