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Hi All and Sundry,

I just put up this post to let everyone know this is the right place for your questions. Simply start a New Topic with the New Topic button. You WILL need to open an account (it should be easy) before posting.

Blessings, Bruce

Hi Bruce

Thanks for this lovely web-side.
May I ask you how this Karma works?

Hi Simunye,

Very good to see you here, and thanks for your helpful posting.

Karma is a feature for expressing how you value or don't appreciate posts from other users - you simply hit the + or the - buttons, and the system tallies the results. In reading up on other Forums with the same software (Kunena) it seems many have chosen to disable this feature. I think we should let it be for the time being and see how things go.

There is also a "Thank You" feature with each post, which may be a more valuable means of gauging how helpful other users are finding what is posted.

Cheers, Bruce

Thanks for your info.
I assume that clicking on either plus or minus will activate this feature?
Lets try!
i sure think you deserve a few karma plusses for all your hart work...
keep up the good work!

maybe i did get this in the right spot, I was wondering about MMS2 use with DMSO externally. I think the way I'm reading the following as long as you do not mix to strong of MMS2 with DMSO it will suppress the chlorine effects. This is a copy and paste of the follwoing.

t sounds to me like you can mix it with mms2 and the DMSO will take out the free chlorine in the solution, which is a good thing, while not affecting the chlorine dioxide and other oxychlorines. However, if you have a strong mms2 solution, it will be very acidic and they are saying it could be enough to oxidize the DMSO, and I don't know how good or bad that could be.

I went to that link and you can't tell what that article is about. I don't think they are doing this in human bodies, it sounds like it is reactions under lab conditions.

If you are going to test it, I would do it on your skin first. Start out with low dilutions and use it on a healthy person's skin.

What you should do Gary is go here genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=showcat&catid=2&Itemid=66 and ask Bruce (brtanner) this question, about using DMSO with mms2. Just start a new topic in the questions re mms section. He went through Jim's training and he'll answer by tomorrow morning.

Michael Harrah

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From: Gary Stauffer
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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: [Humble_MMS] Research?


Let us figure out with this is saying no mix dmso for use with mm2 water or yes mix dmso with mms2 water?

pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/1995/AN/an9952001983

The aim of this work was to demonstrate that dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO) is an excellent masking agent for aqueous chlorine in the determination of other oxychlorines. By the addition of excess DMSO, specific absorbance of free chlorine disappeared, and the oxidation of iodide to iodine by chlorine was completely prevented. Chlorine dioxide, chlorite and chlorate were not affected by the co-existence of excess DMSO, but chlorosulfamic acid, showed results comparable to free chlorine. By using ion chromatographic analysis of the mixed solution of free chlorine and DMSO, chloride was recovered as the only anionic species and its molar concentration was approximately twice the initial chlorine concentration. DMSO seems to reduce and mask chlorine completely, without affecting other oxychlorines. Chlorine and DMSO reacted in the molar ratio of 1:1 The reaction seemed to be second-order. The rate constant was larger at a lower pH, and it was dependent not on a concentration of total chlorine, but on that of hypochlorous acid. The redox potential of DMSO was higher at a lower pH, and only hypochlorous acid would have a redox potential high enough to oxidize DMSO in acidic conditions. These results suggest that DMSO reacts with hypochlorous acid stoichiometrically. In practical use, DMSO may be successfully used as a masking agent for aqueous chlorine.

The use of DMSO as a masking agent for Cl2 was investigated. Under neutral and acidic conditions, DMSO selectively reacted with free and combined Cl2 and did not affect oxychlorines such as chlorine dioxide (ClO2), chlorite and chlorate. The utility of DMSO as a masking agent for Cl2 was demonstrated by the titrimetric, voltammetric and spectrophotometric determination of various oxychlorines (mainly ClO2) in the presence of Cl2. The mechanism of the reaction between DMSO and Cl2 is also discussed.

Hi Michael and Gary,

I'm afraid that this has me stumped. I'm not aware of the problem of free chlorine (Cl2) in solution with MMS2/hypochlorous acid. If there is a significant amount, it raises questions about what it then reacts with and what the products of the reactions are. It's possible that DMSO does reduce or eliminate the Cl2 molecules, but creates trihalomethanes or such in the process, which would mean that any benefits would be canceled out.

My understanding is that MMS2 is only of particular value taken internally - it's used by the white blood cells as part of their arsenal to eliminate particulates they absorb. I doubt that it has much benefit applied topically, but that's one more thing that's worthy of being tested with our ample research budget

In the regard of taking DMSO with MMS2 internally, the DMSO may have several different functions. It may help with healing in its own right, it may make the hypochlorous acid more available for uptake into the immune system. It may react with the hypochlorous acid itself, which may not be desirable.

I'm not a chemist, I only play one on TV...

I will send this an an inquiry to Jim Humble.

Bruce;
Good to hear from you and thanks for all your hard work and dedication....
Very interesting pro and con articles (pasted below) regarding DMSO and MMS

These are what we have learned: MMS2 has been first tested by medical doctors. As calcium hypochlorite. They used it extensively on injuries. It made the injuries heal faster than any other sterilizer or disinfectant as hypochlorous acid does not damage the injuried cells further as does all disinfectants. One group of medical doctors tested it on hundreds of accident victims in several hospitals. The data is available on the internet. I don't have time to look it up, but anyone can find it.

I and my workers have been useing MMS2 (calcium hypochlorite, 1/2 teaspoon full in a glass of water for about a year with much good results on the skin. I have added DMSO personally to it when on my skin. I do not have any bad effects to report but then I didn't notice in great results either. I assume it is beneficial however.

About the report that DMSO kills the chlorine, if that is true I think that is a great benefit as there are reports that small amounts of chlorine might be involved. Same reports of chlorine with MMS1 but if it is so it is a very small amount.

As always with love,
Bishop Jim

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Bruce Tanner <brtanner@brucetanner.info> wrote:

Hi Jim,

Below is an inquiry sent to the forum from someone who saw information about the effects of DMSO on hypochlorous acid solutions. I don't know if you have any additional thoughts on it, but would be very interested ifl you do.

Thanks,
Bruce

this is a copy and paste from a different group looking for the answers to the question using MMS2 water with DMSO for external penetrating applications.

Subject: Re: [Humble_MMS] Research?



It sounds to me like you can mix it with mms2 and the DMSO will take out the free chlorine in the solution, which is a good thing, while not affecting the chlorine dioxide and other oxychlorines. However, if you have a strong mms2 solution, it will be very acidic and they are saying it could be enough to oxidize the DMSO, and I don't know how good or bad that could be.

I went to that link and you can't tell what that article is about. I don't think they are doing this in human bodies, it sounds like it is reactions under lab conditions.

If you are going to test it, I would do it on your skin first. Start out with low dilutions and use it on a healthy person's skin.

Michael Harrah

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From: Gary Stauffer
To: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 7:56 PM
Subject: [Humble_MMS] Research?


Let us figure out with this is saying no mix dmso for use with mm2 water or yes mix dmso with mms2 water?

pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/1995/AN/an9952001983

The aim of this work was to demonstrate that dimethylsulfoxide (DMSO) is an excellent masking agent for aqueous chlorine in the determination of other oxychlorines. By the addition of excess DMSO, specific absorbance of free chlorine disappeared, and the oxidation of iodide to iodine by chlorine was completely prevented. Chlorine dioxide, chlorite and chlorate were not affected by the co-existence of excess DMSO, but chlorosulfamic acid, showed results comparable to free chlorine. By using ion chromatographic analysis of the mixed solution of free chlorine and DMSO, chloride was recovered as the only anionic species and its molar concentration was approximately twice the initial chlorine concentration. DMSO seems to reduce and mask chlorine completely, without affecting other oxychlorines. Chlorine and DMSO reacted in the molar ratio of 1:1 The reaction seemed to be second-order. The rate constant was larger at a lower pH, and it was dependent not on a concentration of total chlorine, but on that of hypochlorous acid. The redox potential of DMSO was higher at a lower pH, and only hypochlorous acid would have a redox potential high enough to oxidize DMSO in acidic conditions. These results suggest that DMSO reacts with hypochlorous acid stoichiometrically. In practical use, DMSO may be successfully used as a masking agent for aqueous chlorine.

The use of DMSO as a masking agent for Cl2 was investigated. Under neutral and acidic conditions, DMSO selectively reacted with free and combined Cl2 and did not affect oxychlorines such as chlorine dioxide (ClO2), chlorite and chlorate. The utility of DMSO as a masking agent for Cl2 was demonstrated by the titrimetric, voltammetric and spectrophotometric determination of various oxychlorines (mainly ClO2) in the presence of Cl2. The mechanism of the reaction between DMSO and Cl2 is also discussed.

I have a friend with MDS myelodysplastic syndrome a form of leukemia. I helping him do the OCC Cancer Protocol www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/OCC.html It involves taking MMS, MSM, Silver 22ppm, DMSO and Cancer diet. I wanted him to do the MMS2. Advice from the other group said start out with 1/4 zero capsule 4 times a day. Next Day 1/2. He has done the OCC complete, which takes about 3 weeks to the final 12 hour regiment. Which was 30 drops of DMSO 6 Drops of MMS mixed, wait time, drink in an 8oz water, 2 table spoons MSM and two tablespoons Silver every hour four 12 hours. We added Coffee Enema's and Bentonite clay 4oz to control the nausea which it did and the coffee Enema's reduced other side effects.
The last dose of the 1/4 mms2 caused him some difficulty, the next day he tried the first dose of 1/2 MMS2 and got extreme pain in the middle of his chest. So he stopped doing it. So i was looking for ways to get it in without swallowing it like the protocol 2000 and 3000 with DMSO. But I'm wondering now if Clay mixed with MMS2 water might be an alternative way of taking it by mouth, because passes through collecting heavy metals, pesticides, and free radicals - which are positively charged efficiently absorbent and drawn into the porous surface of the clay and passes through the digestive track fairly fast. The clay might also aid external treatment of the skin as a poultice.having its abilities combined with the MMS2 and maybe easier to tolerate. I know the clay does not diminish the effects of MMS1 chlorine dioxide all negativity charge including the chlorine. Bentonite clay is in the 9.0 pH. MMS2 ? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1853323/ Maybe 4 or 5 pH. www.ehow.com/way_5376227_bentonite-clay-detox.html Bentonite clay is an alkaline substance. When ingested, the clay neutralizes the body's acidity, reducing heartburn and stomach ulcers. Clay will absorb and help the body expel internal parasites and metals in the bloodstream, in addition to toxins.
Read more: Bentonite Clay Detox | eHow.com www.ehow.com/way_5376227_bentonite-clay-detox.html#ixzz1Ayb41VmR So MMS2 Reacts with the stomach acid creating the Chlorine Gas. But if the clay neutralizes the stomach acid then the reaction would be stopped. but then the question is neutralize all acid. Including what you want to create. Best way to see if it was going to neutralize to use clay mixed with MMS2 water topically, 1) you could keep MMS2 on there longer, moist longer, I guess you could test the pH to see if all the acid has went away. But then the stomach acid is not gone, its still there just a pH change, so the hypochlorus acid would still be there? For sure the clay does stop the chlorine gas reaction in the gut. I'm going to try mixing mms2 water with clay and test the pH periodically.

Thanks very much Bruce for your answer and for sending this to Jim for his input. What Jim says about the use of mms2 for injuries is very consistent with a report we got from Deborah, a friend of mine, about her husband using it on deep cuts. I am pasting her report below.


Hi Group,

I wanted to share a recent experience in reference to MMS2 and wound care.

Last week my husband an Electrician, suffered 2 very deep wounds on the right hand , deep in the knuckle area. Ouch..what a terrible place to have these cuts . As you know the knuckle joint areas don't offer much skin or fatty tissue there.

As I saw them when he came home, I immediately ran for the Hydrogen Peroxide. Then I remembered reading Jim's writing on the Calcium Hypochlorite's efficacy in this area. So, I opened up one capsule I made and dissolved it in 1/2 cup of water. My husband soaked the two knuckles in it. He got immediate pain relief (said it did not even burn like peroxide). After 2 days of doing this his knuckle joints were healing at a rate I could not believe! Now there is beautiful new skin on both knuckles !

I think its a great idea to have some of these capsules made up in our first -aid kits.

I found the 73% Calcium Hypochlorite here in a small bag for 4.95 at a local pool store (www.lesliespool.com/browse/Home/Pool-Chemicals/Pool-Shock/Power-Powder-Weekly-Shock/D/30100/P/1:100:1000:100010/I/14620). Then got the size O capsules ( this is what we take daily too).

Here is the link from Jim Humble ( its somewhere in the data about the cuts vs. Hydrogen Peroxide ( even though the chart here says it has not been tested yet as a skin spray).

mms-central.com/mms2dosage.htm

Happy wound healing,
Deborah