NEW! forced air method--CDS Chlorine dioxide solution (MMS)

Can someone please explain what are you trying to achieve by using this method?
Is there any different between CDS created with a pump and CDS created without one?

thanks
Nir

Nir, Steve can answer, but as I see it from what he has posted, he gets a much higher ppm via this message. (Which, of course, means you will need to adjust your doses!) It seems to utilize more of the MMS/CA into the infusion liquid.

Pam, I still do not understand why would the water Absorb more with a pump then without one... i mean there is a limit that the water can not absorb any more and if it is still can why would it NOT absorb it from the bubbles that come without a pump and WILL absorb it if the bubbles comes with the aid of a pump.

It is just doesn't make sense to me....

As far as I can tell, it seems the hot water method is way faster to complete the process.
There's no way that the forced air can finish the process faster, because the Chlorine Dioxide is still generated at a lower % than with the hot water.
I've done two batches, and they complete in less than 5 minutes with the hot water bath. There's no way that any pump could make the process faster, unless a "Hot Air" pump was used. And that would heat the cold water in the collector.
And then, you would have to consider a good air filter, because I wouldn't want dust and air polutants aggregated to the gas mixture. I think Andreas method is hard to beat, and that's the method I will continue to use, because it "Just Works (tm)"

-Karl

Steve,

As long as you have an opening on the end, there's hardly any pressure build up!
But I understand your concern, and If I were to build a device for sale, yes indeed I wouldn't use the hot water method
But for MY batches, I'd prefer the hot method, because the gas is forced faster to the collector.
BTW, a hybrid system would work even better, and that is, the hot water WITH the pump!
That would force a continuous flow of air through the system, and avoid buildup in the generator chamber

-Karl

And, truly, Steve, the only thing I'm concerned with is the consistency of dose (which I'm sure most of us are thinking about) - the forced air method is really great - IMHO -

When I made my first 2 batches there was enough gas left over to be significant to me (hey, I cleaned out some of the mold in my back pantry, LOL) - I think this method removes a lot of that and puts it back into the CDS, where it has value.

I'm just looking (over time) for consistency of dose.

Steve wrote: There's a lot of stored energy in this stuff.

PS you are creating pressure in the gas chamber or it would not bubble thru the water.

Yes indeed
I was also about to suggest to wear eye goggles for protection.

But please, stay safe, or you (and all of us!) could end up like this!

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Today I tried my 'quickie' improvised forced air generator. The chambers are glass but the tubing is all 1/4" polyethylene. I did make some bubble diffusers by heating up the tubing to crimp the end shut and then used a straight pin to poke holes in it. I have glass tubes coming and will convert to all glass as soon as I can.

I bought the lowest price aquarium pump at petco. I also bought a 2 gang valve for it. That way I could exactly control the air flow into the reaction chamber. I did have to open the other valve a little to let some air through to relieve some of the air going into the system.

I also tried using a cork for the reaction chamber yesterday and it did not work. It was too porous and not enough pressure would build up to push Cl02 through the tubing into the cold water. Today I tried a mason jar with holes drilled in the plastic lid for the tubing (see pic). That also did not seal well so I did not get any gas being pushed into the 3rd chamber where I had plain water to try and soak up any excess Cl02 escaping from the 2nd chamber. Therefore, I think a rubber stopper is necessary on the 1st (reaction) chamber for sure to get good sealing, and any chamber where you want good sealing. In the pics below, that is a light colored rubber stopper on the smaller reaction chamber so I could get a good seal.

I put my setup out on the back patio and had a large fan blowing right near it to dissipate the Cl02 escaping from the mason jar.

I had 1000 ml of cold distilled water in the 1/2 gal. mason jar and used 110 ml of MMS and 110 ml of HCl 4%. I let the air pump for 30-40 mins. till the chambers were both the exact same yellow color.

I do believe I am getting full saturation of the distilled water now, whereas I did not the first two times I generated without forced air. I have been taking 1/2 tsp. CDS hourly (in 2 tbsp of water) 8 hrs/day for the last 2 weeks and when I started taking today's batch from forced air, it started burning my throat. It is definitely stronger, the yellow is darker also. I think this is real saturation.

It seems to me the chlorine dioxide test strips (0-500ppm) are not that accurate when you get into the higher ranges. It might be better to take 1 ml. of the CDS and put it in a certain amount of distilled water and take a reading from that to get the reading into the lower ranges.




Start of the generation.




End of the generation 30-40 mins.

Michael