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19 Feb 2026 19:28 - 19 Feb 2026 19:54 #87949
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Hello,
I am hoping to get some help from anyone familiar with or experienced with applying MMS for Lyme disease.
I am a 65 yr old male, and for about 6 yrs now, have been suffering with severe low back pain, hip ache and mostly severe ache and tension in the muscles around my lower back and all around my hips and into my legs. I’ve had occasional ‘common’ back pain from curvature and sports injuries for most of my life, but this severe pain and tension came on about 6 yrs ago, if not longer. It came on fairly insidiously, but since becoming so intense years ago, I have managed to deal with chronic severe muscle and joint pain that comes and goes all through the day, and I am only able to lay on my back to sleep for short periods at night.
I am a chiropractor and barely hanging on at this point. For years, I have applied just about everything physical medicine-wise I could, along with working with functional/nutritional colleagues and getting a Rife machine. Early on I had seen MD’s and surgeons who all claimed, “it’s just bad arthritis”, but I have said since the onset that something is wrong and this is not just arthritis. None of them listened.
The mental challenge of this has been devastating. I have searched for help and answers. Then about 6 months ago I discovered that this is most likely Lyme disease. I immediately started applying nutritionals/herbals and using my Rife machine against it. Nutritional muscle testing has repeatedly confirmed Lyme pathogens. I have had 2 simple Lyme Ab tests done since, but both were negative (which is common). The nutritional/immune therapy and Rife treatments also likely interfered with results. Regardless, I am confident that there are pathogens at the root of this, Lyme, parasites or the like.
After several months of not making much progress, I was introduced to MMS and began the Start Procedure at the beginning of Feb (just under 3 weeks at this time). As per the book’s recommendation for Lyme disease, I finished the Start Procedure and went straight into the Yeast/Fungus protocol. I did that for 1 week but I don’t feel that fungus seems to be an issue, so I have stopped the bentonite clay and now just doing Protocol 1000 with 2 drops and moving to 3 drops.
I feel like there is something happening from the MMS, but overall, I’m still in bad pain and go through waves of more severe pain and disability through the day. I have been doing so many different therapies and Rifing over the years that I can’t discern what may be causing the bad pain; the pathogens, pain from biofilm toxins or other herximer effects, and of course underlying arthritis.
Mostly through the middle of the day, there is usually less pain and I’m able to move around ok. By mid-afternoon and into the evening, the muscle/tissue pain starts getting more intense and the longer I sit or am still, then getting up and moving is intensely painful, like my muscles are sticking and occasionally grab with sharp jolts. Then I walk with short, jerky steps and I can’t bend at the hips hardly at all. By evening, I sit or lay a lot just for relief. I go to bed with several ice packs that I’ll use through the night, and sometimes have to go to the freezer to replace them in the middle of the night. Sleep is more trauma than rest since getting up every few hours is painful and takes time to get back to a restful position to sleep again.
Morning is slow and painful to get going, but usually starts improving a little through the morning. Then it’s back to less pain and better mobility through the day. But lately, I have been needing to take more pain meds (that I try hard to avoid), sometimes twice a day when it gets so intense later in the day or through the night.
After this fairly brief summary, here are some questions that I would love some help with! If anyone has some insight or answers, I would truly appreciate it!
I know I need to move forward, but not sure what direction. As I’ve been doing the MMS, I feel like I may be a little better during the day with some mobility improvements, but by end of the day or at night, it’s just as bad or worse at times. Along with my experience of Rifing over the years, I can’t tell if the increase in pain is due to the herximer reaction and biofilm production, or is it the pathogens?
Since starting the MMS protocol, I have done very little Rifing and not taking any of my previous nutritionals, so there is also some transitioning going on in my body. But I felt the herximer effects I had from rifing were more fatigue or not feeling well. I would have more pain from the biofilms produced from the pathogen die-off.
Now with MMS, I don’t know if the increased muscle/tissue pain is from overdoing the MMS dose, or not hitting it hard enough. I do not have any adverse effects from the ClO2 in general; no nausea or vomiting and I don’t mind the taste at all. So, I feel like I’m not doing enough yet, but not sure what to expect.
Is anyone else familiar with this kind of severe muscle/tissue pain with Lyme?
Should I be making more identifiable progress at this point? It’s been almost 3 weeks since starting and I can’t say I’m any better overall.
Should I go back to adding bentonite clay and do it with MMS with soda?
Should I start adding DMSO, or would be too much, too fast?
In general, should I be noticing at least some improvement by now that would confirm that the MMS is killing off the pathogens?
I did get another person's comment who had Lyme's who said the MMS did not kill off the parasites and they needed the Rife for that as well. Has anyone else experienced that as well?
Thank you all for any help and insight!!
--Jeff
I am hoping to get some help from anyone familiar with or experienced with applying MMS for Lyme disease.
I am a 65 yr old male, and for about 6 yrs now, have been suffering with severe low back pain, hip ache and mostly severe ache and tension in the muscles around my lower back and all around my hips and into my legs. I’ve had occasional ‘common’ back pain from curvature and sports injuries for most of my life, but this severe pain and tension came on about 6 yrs ago, if not longer. It came on fairly insidiously, but since becoming so intense years ago, I have managed to deal with chronic severe muscle and joint pain that comes and goes all through the day, and I am only able to lay on my back to sleep for short periods at night.
I am a chiropractor and barely hanging on at this point. For years, I have applied just about everything physical medicine-wise I could, along with working with functional/nutritional colleagues and getting a Rife machine. Early on I had seen MD’s and surgeons who all claimed, “it’s just bad arthritis”, but I have said since the onset that something is wrong and this is not just arthritis. None of them listened.
The mental challenge of this has been devastating. I have searched for help and answers. Then about 6 months ago I discovered that this is most likely Lyme disease. I immediately started applying nutritionals/herbals and using my Rife machine against it. Nutritional muscle testing has repeatedly confirmed Lyme pathogens. I have had 2 simple Lyme Ab tests done since, but both were negative (which is common). The nutritional/immune therapy and Rife treatments also likely interfered with results. Regardless, I am confident that there are pathogens at the root of this, Lyme, parasites or the like.
After several months of not making much progress, I was introduced to MMS and began the Start Procedure at the beginning of Feb (just under 3 weeks at this time). As per the book’s recommendation for Lyme disease, I finished the Start Procedure and went straight into the Yeast/Fungus protocol. I did that for 1 week but I don’t feel that fungus seems to be an issue, so I have stopped the bentonite clay and now just doing Protocol 1000 with 2 drops and moving to 3 drops.
I feel like there is something happening from the MMS, but overall, I’m still in bad pain and go through waves of more severe pain and disability through the day. I have been doing so many different therapies and Rifing over the years that I can’t discern what may be causing the bad pain; the pathogens, pain from biofilm toxins or other herximer effects, and of course underlying arthritis.
Mostly through the middle of the day, there is usually less pain and I’m able to move around ok. By mid-afternoon and into the evening, the muscle/tissue pain starts getting more intense and the longer I sit or am still, then getting up and moving is intensely painful, like my muscles are sticking and occasionally grab with sharp jolts. Then I walk with short, jerky steps and I can’t bend at the hips hardly at all. By evening, I sit or lay a lot just for relief. I go to bed with several ice packs that I’ll use through the night, and sometimes have to go to the freezer to replace them in the middle of the night. Sleep is more trauma than rest since getting up every few hours is painful and takes time to get back to a restful position to sleep again.
Morning is slow and painful to get going, but usually starts improving a little through the morning. Then it’s back to less pain and better mobility through the day. But lately, I have been needing to take more pain meds (that I try hard to avoid), sometimes twice a day when it gets so intense later in the day or through the night.
After this fairly brief summary, here are some questions that I would love some help with! If anyone has some insight or answers, I would truly appreciate it!
I know I need to move forward, but not sure what direction. As I’ve been doing the MMS, I feel like I may be a little better during the day with some mobility improvements, but by end of the day or at night, it’s just as bad or worse at times. Along with my experience of Rifing over the years, I can’t tell if the increase in pain is due to the herximer reaction and biofilm production, or is it the pathogens?
Since starting the MMS protocol, I have done very little Rifing and not taking any of my previous nutritionals, so there is also some transitioning going on in my body. But I felt the herximer effects I had from rifing were more fatigue or not feeling well. I would have more pain from the biofilms produced from the pathogen die-off.
Now with MMS, I don’t know if the increased muscle/tissue pain is from overdoing the MMS dose, or not hitting it hard enough. I do not have any adverse effects from the ClO2 in general; no nausea or vomiting and I don’t mind the taste at all. So, I feel like I’m not doing enough yet, but not sure what to expect.
Is anyone else familiar with this kind of severe muscle/tissue pain with Lyme?
Should I be making more identifiable progress at this point? It’s been almost 3 weeks since starting and I can’t say I’m any better overall.
Should I go back to adding bentonite clay and do it with MMS with soda?
Should I start adding DMSO, or would be too much, too fast?
In general, should I be noticing at least some improvement by now that would confirm that the MMS is killing off the pathogens?
I did get another person's comment who had Lyme's who said the MMS did not kill off the parasites and they needed the Rife for that as well. Has anyone else experienced that as well?
Thank you all for any help and insight!!
--Jeff
Last edit: 19 Feb 2026 19:54 by jeffsmms.
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Do you drink coffee or tea? If you do, when do you drink it?
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Replied by CLO2 on topic Please help with progress..
Hi Jeff. Let me ask you a quick question before I continue.Hello,
I am hoping to get some help from anyone familiar with or experienced with applying MMS for Lyme disease.
I am a 65 yr old male, and for about 6 yrs now, have been suffering with severe low back pain, hip ache and mostly severe ache and tension in the muscles around my lower back and all around my hips and into my legs. I’ve had occasional ‘common’ back pain from curvature and sports injuries for most of my life, but this severe pain and tension came on about 6 yrs ago, if not longer. It came on fairly insidiously, but since becoming so intense years ago, I have managed to deal with chronic severe muscle and joint pain that comes and goes all through the day, and I am only able to lay on my back to sleep for short periods at night.
I am a chiropractor and barely hanging on at this point. For years, I have applied just about everything physical medicine-wise I could, along with working with functional/nutritional colleagues and getting a Rife machine. Early on I had seen MD’s and surgeons who all claimed, “it’s just bad arthritis”, but I have said since the onset that something is wrong and this is not just arthritis. None of them listened.
The mental challenge of this has been devastating. I have searched for help and answers. Then about 6 months ago I discovered that this is most likely Lyme disease. I immediately started applying nutritionals/herbals and using my Rife machine against it. Nutritional muscle testing has repeatedly confirmed Lyme pathogens. I have had 2 simple Lyme Ab tests done since, but both were negative (which is common). The nutritional/immune therapy and Rife treatments also likely interfered with results. Regardless, I am confident that there are pathogens at the root of this, Lyme, parasites or the like.
After several months of not making much progress, I was introduced to MMS and began the Start Procedure at the beginning of Feb (just under 3 weeks at this time). As per the book’s recommendation for Lyme disease, I finished the Start Procedure and went straight into the Yeast/Fungus protocol. I did that for 1 week but I don’t feel that fungus seems to be an issue, so I have stopped the bentonite clay and now just doing Protocol 1000 with 2 drops and moving to 3 drops.
I feel like there is something happening from the MMS, but overall, I’m still in bad pain and go through waves of more severe pain and disability through the day. I have been doing so many different therapies and Rifing over the years that I can’t discern what may be causing the bad pain; the pathogens, pain from biofilm toxins or other herximer effects, and of course underlying arthritis.
Mostly through the middle of the day, there is usually less pain and I’m able to move around ok. By mid-afternoon and into the evening, the muscle/tissue pain starts getting more intense and the longer I sit or am still, then getting up and moving is intensely painful, like my muscles are sticking and occasionally grab with sharp jolts. Then I walk with short, jerky steps and I can’t bend at the hips hardly at all. By evening, I sit or lay a lot just for relief. I go to bed with several ice packs that I’ll use through the night, and sometimes have to go to the freezer to replace them in the middle of the night. Sleep is more trauma than rest since getting up every few hours is painful and takes time to get back to a restful position to sleep again.
Morning is slow and painful to get going, but usually starts improving a little through the morning. Then it’s back to less pain and better mobility through the day. But lately, I have been needing to take more pain meds (that I try hard to avoid), sometimes twice a day when it gets so intense later in the day or through the night.
After this fairly brief summary, here are some questions that I would love some help with! If anyone has some insight or answers, I would truly appreciate it!
I know I need to move forward, but not sure what direction. As I’ve been doing the MMS, I feel like I may be a little better during the day with some mobility improvements, but by end of the day or at night, it’s just as bad or worse at times. Along with my experience of Rifing over the years, I can’t tell if the increase in pain is due to the herximer reaction and biofilm production, or is it the pathogens?
Since starting the MMS protocol, I have done very little Rifing and not taking any of my previous nutritionals, so there is also some transitioning going on in my body. But I felt the herximer effects I had from rifing were more fatigue or not feeling well. I would have more pain from the biofilms produced from the pathogen die-off.
Now with MMS, I don’t know if the increased muscle/tissue pain is from overdoing the MMS dose, or not hitting it hard enough. I do not have any adverse effects from the ClO2 in general; no nausea or vomiting and I don’t mind the taste at all. So, I feel like I’m not doing enough yet, but not sure what to expect.
Is anyone else familiar with this kind of severe muscle/tissue pain with Lyme?
Should I be making more identifiable progress at this point? It’s been almost 3 weeks since starting and I can’t say I’m any better overall.
Should I go back to adding bentonite clay and do it with MMS with soda?
Should I start adding DMSO, or would be too much, too fast?
In general, should I be noticing at least some improvement by now that would confirm that the MMS is killing off the pathogens?
I did get another person's comment who had Lyme's who said the MMS did not kill off the parasites and they needed the Rife for that as well. Has anyone else experienced that as well?
Thank you all for any help and insight!!
--Jeff
Do you drink coffee or tea? If you do, when do you drink it?
Thanks.
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