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Pam wrote:

Yikes, this is confusing to me still - hate to be so picky. I guess I'm still trying to find how many million parts (or portion thereof) are in a 3 drop dose and the same in a 1mL dose and see how they compare. If you have 5900 ppm, like .0059 per part, but I don't know how many parts are in a 3 drop measurement or in a 1mL measurement. That would be the most useful How would I find that out?

Or, would you just be willing to go back and do the same 2oz, 4oz, 6oz testing with a 3 drop activated MMS1?

Pam I did some testing on a 3 drop dose of MMS diluted with 4 oz. of water and posted the results here genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=8942&Itemid=66#8942. I got 10-25 ppm on that test. Then I tested a 6 drop MMS dose diluted with 4 oz distilled water and got a clear 50 ppm reading. It seems to me that a 3 drop dose of MMS diluted with 4 oz of water (protocol 1000 says dilute with 4-8 oz) gives you 25 ppm of chlorine dioxide. Steve says that on a 3 oz. dilution with his MMS he gets 75-80 ppm.

However, the MMS dose is a mix of chlorine dioxide (the yellow) and chlorous acid. The chlorous acid is unstable and can continue to produce chlorine dioxide in your body, whereas the CDS will not do that. So they are not directly comparable. There are tradeoffs and differences and you have to make a judgment call on the equivalency of CDS and MMS doses.

Michael

Pam what temp. did you keep it at the 2nd time and how long did you cook it and when you were done was there any color in your 2oz bottle.???

Orv, I kept it at 150 for 2 hrs, yes there was a very pale yellow in the 2 oz bottle, The 8 oz bottle was darker than my original Andreas' process. I'll be testing with a test strip a little later on during the day.

What's HCI?

Where can one get this compound?

Hi townsend,

HCl is hydrochloric acid. It is also the "muriatic acid" sold for swimming pools. It can be obtained on better reagent grades on ebay or elsewhere. If you look on the label it will tell you what strength hydrochloric acid it is. It comes in various strengths so you need to know how much to dilute it to get the strength you want.

We discussed it on these links:
genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=2&id=3593&Itemid=66 HCl activation
genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=11&id=3303&Itemid=66 activation question (HCl)

Here is a dilution calculator site:
www.restrictionmapper.org/dilutioncalc9.html dilution calculator

HCl is experimental and is not recommended by Jim Humble at this time because most of his experience is based on citric acid.

And remember this is a very strong acid and you must be more careful using it, than cictric acid which is a weak acid.

Michael

I recently received a copy of a private email Jim Humble sent to a friend in reference to the dosing and measuring of CDS. Jim is still studying the CDS and may eventually come to different conclusions. This is not an official statement from Jim, it is only what he said in a private email in response to a question. Nevertheless, this is at least something for us to go on right now till we have an official statement.

Here is what Jim wrote:

I assume that saline water will hold less chlorine dioxide than distilled or reverse osmosis water. Also all the wrinkles have not been iron out yet. Preparing CDS is a saline solution was for injection into the muscles of cows, although one could also use it orally. The final important figure is that any drink used in any protocol for MMS should read 8 ppm for each drop of MMS in the drink. In the case of CDS no matter what protocol you are doing, you should add CDS until the drink measure in ppm at 8 ppm for each drop that is called for in the MMS protocol instructions. That means a 3 drops CDS drink or MMS drink will measure 24 ppm for both drinks.

Jim Humble

In a subsequent email I asked Jim for clarification that a "drink" of MMS is 4 oz. and he said yes. Thus a 3 drop dose of MMS in 4 oz. of water should test at 24 ppm chlorine dioxide. A 6 drop dose will test at approximately 50 ppm. These numbers are consistent with the testing I did and reported here genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=8942&Itemid=66#8942 earlier in this thread.

It is apparent that at this time Jim is treating the CDS just like the MMS so that they should both test the same using the test strips to have equivalent doses. The dose of CDS needed to match a 3 drop dose of MMS will depend on the strength of the CDS. If 1 ml of the CDS diluted with 4 oz. of water tests at 25 ppm, then a 1 ml dose is equivalent to a 3 drop dose of MMS. If 1 ml of the CDS in 4 oz of water tests at 50 ppm (such as CDS made using Jim's instructions) then use only .5 ml to equal a 3 drop dose of MMS.

Jim also said in his response email to me that 1 ml equals 25 drops. Thus, CDS made using Jim's instructions will need 12 drops to equal a 3 drop dose of MMS.

3000 ppm per liter CDS. Steve has said about this strength, "I have also found that 3000 ppm will keep well in 77 degree temps, with no pressure buildup, or refrigeration." (genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=8942&limit=6&limitstart=6&Itemid=66#9029). It appears this would be a good strength for commercial sales of CDS. People can use 1 ml to equal a 3 drop dose of MMS and it seems to be stable and safe. If you make CDS and dilute 1 ml of it with 2 oz of water you should get a test of 50 ppm using the 0-500 ppm chlorine dioxide test strips; the color of the reading should match pretty clearly.

5900 ppm per liter CDS (typical result of Jim's video instructions). Myself, Pam and another friend are all getting 5900 ppm CDS using Jim's method. 1 ml diluted with 2 oz of water should give a clear test of 100 ppm and 1 ml diluted in 4 oz of water should give a clear 50 ppm reading using the test strips. Therefore, only .5 ml (12 drops) of this CDS is needed to equal 3 drops of MMS. Based on Jim's response to me I believe he agrees with these numbers.

Michael
found here also genesis2forum.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=16&id=8942&limit=6&limitstart=18&Itemid=66#9113

Hi Charlotte,

Same thing happened to me when I tried the 1-10 ppm strips. Seems like you get two different ppm results on the same sample, even if you dilute the one for testing with the 1-10 ppm strips. My solution is to buy a chlorine meter and hope the results are definitive.

I also think any reading below 50 ppm on the 0-500 ppm strips is often hard to read. I like to get a real clear color match on a 100 ppm reading using a 2 oz dilution and confirm it with a clear 50 ppm reading by adding another 2 oz of water; that means you have about 6000 ppm; and if you get a clear 50 ppm reading on 2 oz dilution and get a clear 25 ppm reading on 4 oz dilution, then you have the 3000 ppm target.

How did you get a 30 ppm reading with the 0-500 strips? The color chart has matches at 25 ppm and 50 ppm. Whenever I have a reading below a clear 50 ppm color match, it is very hard for me to tell if I'm looking at 25 ppm or anything up to 50 ppm.

If you assume that your 0-500 readings are correct then you should be able to dilute the same solution down 10 times (1 ml in 9 ml water) and get 2.5 or 3.0 on the 0-10 strips. But when I tried it, it didn't work. I think the colors on the color chart of those 0-10 strips are practically indistinguishable to me. It is only slight differences of shading and I can't tell if I'm looking at a 3 or 5 and that makes a huge difference if you are talking about 3000 vs 5000 ppm.

So I bought one of these www.sensafe.com/chlorine/ exact chlorine meters they are closing out on ebay for $100. Then you have to order the chlorine dioxide reagents they have listed on this page www.sensafe.com/chlorine/reagents.php for $12.99 to measure ClO2. If you find a better solution, let me know.

Michael

Some questions about the CDS.....I have been using pure ice water to collect the CDS. Am I supposed to be using saline solution?

What is the shelf life of the CDS in a closed bottle? In the fridge?

I have been mixing 1 tsp of sodium chlorite and 1 tsp of citric acid in 4 oz water to prepare 32 oz of solution. Seems to be working fine. Any comments?

Needless to say I am way excited about the possibilities of CDS on top of the proven capabilities of MMS.

Hi Pam
In my poor experience, the diference between %'s being used ,must be the reason why there is a final diference between
the two,Andreas and Jim.