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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 21 Jun 2013 02:37 #33967

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Just to report to those of you who are following. (Should I start a new thread?)

Colonoscopy and gastroscopy yesterday showed no naughty tissue in stomach and colon. That's the good news.
Not so good is the endoscope could not be moved beyond a certain point in my colon.
I believe.... and have asked doc for confirmation.... that the mass in my abdominal cavity is pressing on the colon. There is a horse standing on the hose.

Seems to me that is why I have so much trouble eating solids, passing BM, even pain passing gas, bloating etc.
I think that I could otherwise tolerate MMS quite well because I got up to 5 drops 5 times daily with no diarrhea and very negligible nausea. I think the gas somehow was not passing properly (not a clear understanding as I thought it would pass through membranes into blood stream and into cells).

Yesterday in the Medical Day Stay unit I heard people being wheeled back from colonoscopies and they were waking up nicely. I heard nurses telling them that they will be comfortable when they passed wind. Whereas I took an hour and a half to wake up and when I got home was groggy for hours, sort of sleeping. I was in severe pain of bloating. Huge intestinal rumbling all night and then the gas 'passed' (to put it delicately for ya), throughout the night.

Today I had consultation with gyno. It's all about chemo first and then surgery. And I know it's a downhill slide from there.
They also want to do a chest CT to make sure there is nothing in the lungs. I've had an abdo CT a few weeks ago. Don't want more radiation. If I'm not going to take their treatment (will get informed with more consults first) then I don't see the point of more radiation (equivalent to hundreds of x-rays each time) to find a tumor or not in the lung, which I wont be getting treated their way anyhow.

My plan is to do only a liquid diet - juicing, liquid minerals, barley grass, Budwig, and whatever else I can dream up that will nourish my energy and immune system but pass through the narrowed bowel.
Also CDS. When feeling ok with that I will add MMS2
I am searching what can shrink tumours. Normally, one can be patient, and let the immune system and MMS do the job gradually. But I need to shrink this to open up my bowel. Natural things don't do it fast.....hence my need for liquid diet to buy time.
I'm going to ramp up the aloe arborescens and a few other things.
I see online honey and turmeric alternate days with honey and ginger. I have some amygdalin.

Found a source of distilled water - yay.

JB and Scott - I have emails for you stuck in my outbox. Husband says the file is too big and my laptop is struggling and you would not be happy to receive that! When he gets home he will show me how to send it to you in a link.

One MORE question (arggghh sorry for all the questions) - When I activate MMS with apple cider vinegar it smells good and bleachy. Can I use acv in the CDS reactor? Or must I use CA? Bear in mind it might have caused a gassy bloat reaction from me.

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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 21 Jun 2013 06:02 #33970

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Hi Elli and thanks for the update. Always good to have results of tests even if more questions are raised.

As far as using apple cider vinegar, I have never tested it when making CDS. Testing it for making MMSA shows low ClO2.

If you have LaMotte ClO2 test strips, you could use both ACV and 50% CA and measure the difference in concentration, if there is any. It could be that after 12 hours the results would be the same.

For a juice diet you might also consider wheat grass juice. You may be familiar with Ann Wigmore.

www.annwigmore.org/

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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 21 Jun 2013 07:36 #33971

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The controversy between oxidants and antioxidants is a typical result of inadequate science and understanding of our civilisation as regards life. Men argue, nature acts, Voltaire said. We are not even sure that so called electrons exist as envisioned! Almost all bitter medicianl herbs are antioxidants they say...they also say earthing dowses inflammation that is caused by free radicals......does this mean walking barefoot would cancel the effects of MMS? I wonder!
We will probably never know really how life works in the next few hundred years, because of egos and arguing of research scientists. People have cured themselves with high doses of vit C.....people have also cured themselves with high doses of oxidants....same illnesses! What does this tell us? It would appear that we dont know enough....whatever works! Maybe the body wants a balance....inflammation is a healing reaction....but if it continues too long a sickness....so both oxidants and antioxidants can give 'results' of curing depending on where the patient is. Other people like Wilhelm Reich cured cancer with their fingers....and later orgone accumulator boxes. This wouldn't work today due to too much EMF around...something denied by most peole in the health industry. Type 3 diabetes is EMF induced and wont respond to any medication until the EMF is mitigated...for example.
My advice for people with chronic incurable disease is to find whats contributing in ones case....could be geopathic or EMF stress, could be inflammation, could be parasites and toxins....these always appear in the end anyway....could be emotional plague and unresolved psychological conflict..better believe it...or others. Could be a specific toxin....e.g. A new car or new carpet could poison a person with formaldehyde etc..chemical suicide! If you cant find your poison, then you have to try many things one by one carefully...if theres no time, use a proven protocol like intensive MMS..then once you recover and have time, find out what is killing you whilst maintaining a maintenance protocol.
This is what I can contribute...in my ten years of seeing very sick patients in Southern Africa, many with AIDs and cancer.
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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 22 Jun 2013 05:35 #33994

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I DID it!

But look at the colour. I searched the forum before coming here to bother you but didn't find pics.
Is this the normal colour in the reactor? It changed colour instantly and got darker within seconds.

Then, in only a few minutes there was a green tinge in the receiver. This is before the green tinge appeared.





Pam emailed me today and suggested I leave it for 16 hours because I don't have test strips yet. Pam, looking at this do you still think 16 hrs instead of 12?

I've put it inside an 'igloo' drink holder in case I've created a bomb :lol:
It's upstairs in our bedroom for a more constant temperature (winter here).
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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 22 Jun 2013 05:50 #33995

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Elli, yes that color is correct seconds after you combine the two ingredients. The receiver distilled water should start turning a yellow/green color soon and 16 hours later, a much darker yellow/green.

How about an after 16 hour picture? :)

Enjoy the no taste of CDS.
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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 22 Jun 2013 22:54 #34009

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Here’s the CDS after 16 hours.

With reactor still inside receiver.






Questions as usual:

1. Do the colours look ok?
The photo makes the reactor liquid look orangey but in reality it is quite yellow.
The receiver is more yellow with a tinge of green – not very green.
2. I’ve taken a couple of doses. It is a cold morning here (so cold we can see our breath vapour indoors) and I have the CDS in the fridge, but every time I open the lid there is a clearly visible cloud of gas escaping. Is this normal? Surely it must be losing strength each time?
3. What do people do in summer or warmer climates when you are at work or travelling around? You have to take your jar with you but don’t want the gas to escape during 8 hours in warmer temperature.
4. The reactor – looks like it must have some potency (unless it’s not supposed to have as much colour left as mine does).Seems a waste to throw it away. Can it be used for anything? Wounds? Teeth and gums? Baths??

FYI – I’m taking only 0.16ml (equiv 1/2ml MMS) per dose 8 x today. Starting low because I am so afraid of pain even though this is CDS. Looking forward to ramping it up.

Thank you very much again for your time answering my questions.
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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 23 Jun 2013 00:07 #34011

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It's hard to tell with pictures and color, you may be alright, you may be a bit weak, but not much. Regardless, I'd continue to take it, ramping up. It's not like it's a BAD thing if you start a little lower. Next time I would let it sit for 16 hours - if it were me.

Yes, you do haver some mms/CA still in the reactor glass. Typically it will continue to offgas - You could use it for a bath or teeth, but I think you would want to stop it from activating, if you're going to store it. Otherwise, the gas will build up and have no place to go, so it might "blow the lid off" - You can store it in the fridge, but be sure to have added water to stop the activation.

The amount of strength it is losing is minimal, as long as it's kept in the fridge, not to worry. I keep mine in the fridge and make up a daily bottle, which I keep in a padded lunchbox. If it's really hot outside, I might put a "cold keeper" in the little lunchbox. This way I can take it "on the run" if I have errands to do.

You're doing great!

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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 23 Jun 2013 00:42 #34013

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Elli, the colors of the reactor and receiver solutions look normal to me.

The only reason I can think of why there is a cloud of gas inside the receiver, and I can see that in your picture, is due to strong light hitting the jar. Especially sunlight! If I were to take a closed jar of CDS out of the fridge into sunlight, immediately a cloud of gas would form. That could be dangerous, so avoid doing that.

Other than that, it looks like you will be training others in how to make shot glass/overnight CDS!

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High antioxidants may actually be BAD for stage 4 cancer - 23 Jun 2013 01:10 #34014

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Thanks JB and Pam
Oh yes…a daily dose bottle. Of course, that could be done with CDS too! (another bad sleep last night is my excuse for not thinking of that :) )

I did leave it for 16 hours Pam.

Must the daily dose bottle be made with distilled water? Or is my lovely spring water ok?

And with that, I might almost be done bothering you wonderful people. (famous last words).
Thank you very, very much. Lovings to you for your dedication and caring.

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