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Hi Penny

DMSO effects some skins and not others.
I have no DMSO issues myself but it did at first pinch or bite a bit. Went a bit red.
In those days we used 10 drops DMSO with 2 oz water.
Today I use 99% no water, no problem.
So the dog skin may not react at all.
Or it may.
As you have concerns and are detail oriented lets go slow and build up.
So 10 drops with 2 oz could be a start point but I find trying to rub 2 oz of water in takes 20 minutes. So I'd use less water.
I might use up to a teaspoon of DMSO, 80 drops over the MMS or CDH or CDS, a lot depends on how aggressively you wish to attack this issue.
Probably 10 drops over the application of CDS/H is enough.
CDS for skin is often recommended but any of the MMS recipes will work.
In our quest to make it simple and easy... we have created a bit of confusion but again any of the methods will work.

There can be irritation from DMSO and you can apply DMSO/MMS anywhere on body and have it reach blood stream and tissue however I believe applying solution to area as close as possible to area of issue may work best. You will see the tumor shrinking and can gauge your progress accordingly as well as against stool and skin irritations etc.

I think 10 drops DMSO in water will be fine.
Lets try 10 SC, 10 AC of choice either CA or HCl wait at least one minute and as many as ten, add 10 DMSO, wait up to 3 minutes again, add water and spray, rub or ingest. If ingesting the dose will be smaller. I feel 5 per hour may be max for your situation.

There also is DMSO Gel which is already 70% mix.
I prefer the liquid for somethings like spray, for rubs over application of MMS solution the Gel may be fine.

At any time any amount of MMS2 may help as long as you don't over do it.
We want to be aggressively re-mediating the disease but not so much that it causes discomfort. MMS2 a very different oxidiser than ClO2, makes hypochlorus acid that disolves biofilm etc.
MMS/CDS/CDH + DMSO
+MMS2
I think you have a winning equation.

Here's a link to a good DMSO CD/MMS Cancer protocol webpage
www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/DMSO_CD.html
Could the Author be the same Webster?
Also appears that your dog/s will not go blind based on this article
www.remedyspot.com/content/topic/2759779-re-dmso-and-blindness-in-dogs/

Yes your posts are very funny, thank you for the entertainment..

RevRay,

From the Cancertutor webpage you directed me to:

This treatment is not designed to shrink tumors, so if any tumors are in dangerous locations (such as they are pressing on the bile duct) do not use this treatment. Seek medical help and use one of the treatments which shrinks tumors, such as the Cellect-Budwig protocol or Overnight Cure For Cancer.


I did have my dog on the budwig protocol - but only for 8 days to wait for my product to get here (I didn't want to not be treating with something and this site convinced me that mms is the best against cancer). Have you actually shrunk tumors with this? I am sure his information is not as updated as this forum.

Your recipe:
I think 10 drops DMSO in water will be fine.
Lets try 10 SC, 10 AC of choice either CA or HCl wait at least one minute and as many as ten, add 10 DMSO, wait up to 3 minutes again, add water and spray, rub or ingest. If ingesting the dose will be smaller. I feel 5 per hour may be max for your situation.

5 what per hour? This is in a spray bottle - hard to measure drops.


From the cancertutor:

The Transdermal Way of Making and Taking Chlorine Dioxide

This example makes "three drops" of the DMSO/CD combination.

The patient should avoid liquids as much as possible from waking up in the morning to finishing the twelve hours of this protocol.

The Hourly Treatment (Making "3 Drops" of the Mixture)

1) You put THREE drops of MMS in a small glass bowl and then
2) Mix in THREE drops of 50% citric acid, then
3) Stir them together periodically for three minutes, then
(Do NOT Add Any Water)
4) ADD in 6 drops of DMSO (perhaps a little more than 6 drops, each person is a little different)
5) Stir them together periodically for ONE minute, then
(Do NOT Add Any Water)
6) Rub the mixture on your arm, leg, chest and/or back. Rub it such that it is spread very, very thinly.

Note that when mixing the 3 drops of MMS with 3 drops of citric acid and then with 6 drops of DMSO, the resulting mixture is DEFINED to be "3 DROPS" of the mixture even though it contains 12 drops of substances.

Do this exactly once an hour for twelve hours. Note that the DMSO is only mixed for one minute before use. Note also that water is never added to this mixture!!

I understand he is talking about using this as original max three drop/hour method instead of ingesting and we are talking about this in addition to ingestion - seems to me that this should count towards the total amount of mms taken hourly as it is getting into his system.

He makes a strong comment to not use water. Also the amount is much less than you suggest - is that because it is the dmso method to take the max 3 drops per hour instead of drinking and you are talking about something in addition to that dose? I still don't know why it would be different.

Are you talking about making a dosing bottle that can be used throughout the day? He states no that the gas will dissipate very quickly and we know that to be true.

also, if I am using cdh - is that two applications, cdh mix with water to lower irritation apply and then dmso or can I add cdh to dmso? - I understand that 1ml = 1 drop but I only want to start out at 1-2 drops anyway. would I add water to the cdh drop for less irritation or does the dmso make up for that?

See how this is confusing to us novices? Thank you in advance.

RevRay

when you mentioned the dmso 10 drops mixed with 2 oz water, were you making what I am thinking is the 70/30 mix? I was reading as 10 -70/30 drops. I am sure I misinterpreted that. so I got that. I will be using 70/30 dmso drops though - so no additional water added to rub in is my thought.

I guess the only real question is mixing cdh with dmso (3 minutes) or should it be sc and hcl activated each application?

why do you say to allow sc and hcl to activate 1 minute up to 10 minutes? Just curious. thought the gas would dissipate and be less effective over 1 minute.

yes
there is much out dated information on web.
We know MMS/DMSO shrinks tumors so I ignored that line/sentence.
Doesn't make sense why it was included. MMS carried by DMSO into Cancer cells kills Cancer microbes and cell returns to normal, which is not inflamed.

5 drops per hour Doses max is my guide for you given your dogs are 90 bs at most and average person is double that often and we suggest max 12 per hour, or Jim does at least. so I gave you 5 per hour as a guide Max if looking for an hourly upper limit. You can do more, or less and get results.

The article of course is another opinion but we all have them...
Whoever wrote the article certainly knows something about MMS and DMSO, obviously written prior to CDH and HCl activation. But is an opinion worth consideration.

I myself don't use a lot of water if any, but you will have to decide how much if any you want to use. Obviously needs water in spray bottle.
I used water at first from a cup with MMS and DMSO mix and after a wee bit I decided, why am I adding water? It takes longer to rub or sink in and to me diffuses the strength over a larger quantity of water.
There is no specific guaranteed X+Y=Z cure equation, but we do offer several guides for users to consider and choose from.

I think that as we now Hold CD in water that water stabilizes ClO2 some water is going to be part of your protocol be it in CDH CDS or DMSO mixed spray.
I have suggested some water in order to avert any skin irritations that may or may not surface for you.
I do not want for you to have a "bad" experience and/or lose faith, so we suggest go slow, build and you will get results. Using water helps minimize the potential of skin irritation, but there may be none. I try and guide you on the side of caution while still maintaining an as aggressive approach as possible w/o making things worse for the patient.

My own personal way is more cavalier. I would push as much as I could and if I got a skin or ill reaction I would back off, or add water. Everyone finds there own amount of "throttle" to apply as they go.

So you can certainly use the methods of CDS or H described on site with or with out DMSO.
To obtain .5 drop use use .5 ml when making up daily dose bottle.
Gas will escape in traditional methods of activating SC into MMS. This is how/why CDS developed and later CDH. If closed and cool your solution will last the day.

If you experience any irritation simply back off, or dilute more next time.

The PC1000 protocol for average weight of 160 lbs is 25 drops per day for most conditions. CDH is much more powerful, as much as 6X as powerful but w/o the ill feeling associated with ACtivations of short duration using Citric Acid. So 25 per day for your 90b dog seems fair. And if using CDH you may get the benefits of up to 6X the drop dose you administer w/o the ill effects associated with internal activation.
You may find more or less helps but we/I can only offer a guide and not an exact equation.
No matter what way you choose, you are likely to get results. It is experimentation or variables that develop new methods. Andreas CDS, Kerri Autism, Scott CDH as examples. Their experimentation led to the methods we use today.

So as I understand CDH math it could be .5ml of SC and .5ml of ACtivator in Xml of water that you divide into 8 doses over the day to achieve a half drop dose per hour solution.
Measure by ml or by drops when you make solution. Add DMSO at point of use.
1:1 DMSO/MMS ratio is what I read Jim say the other day, is what I use, but I also ramp up the doses from 3-5 as DMSO is to a degree, an antioxidant however to date I am unaware of the drop in strength values. There will be a table put up soon is my understanding.

I personally feel based on my own and others experience that MMS in whatever form is the most potent healing agent known today or I would not be here.

Hoping that's a bit more un-confusing....

penwah114 wrote:

RevRay

when you mentioned the dmso 10 drops mixed with 2 oz water, were you making what I am thinking is the 70/30 mix? I was reading as 10 -70/30 drops. I am sure I misinterpreted that. so I got that. I will be using 70/30 dmso drops though - so no additional water added to rub in is my thought.

I guess the only real question is mixing cdh with dmso (3 minutes) or should it be sc and hcl activated each application?

why do you say to allow sc and hcl to activate 1 minute up to 10 minutes? Just curious. thought the gas would dissipate and be less effective over 1 minute.

Hi Penny
10 drops in 2 OZ of water would not make a 70 30 mix.
If I recall correctly 70% is gel and 99% is liquid DMSO.
I personally only use 99% but again some are more sensitive, more toxic require more care.
If I get a red skin or pinch bite from DMSO I add water, use less DMSO, use MMS till the reaction heals if bad and carry on.

I believe the idea of CDH is to make it once and is good for day to a week depending on amount made and how it is stored.
You can make fresh doses each time, or snce article was published we now have ways of Holding CD in solution either CDS for skin, CDH for all other conditions.
Either will work fine in place of the other. CDS has no ACtivator left, very little unactivated SC.
So
History of MMS
was 3 minute activation using 10% Citric Acid.
Then came 50% CA and 20 seconds
Today we know that HCl activates SC far better in 60 seconds.
That CDH is made in as little as ten minutes by activating in a closed container for 10-15 minutes. Search "Hot Sauce" here on site for some more details.
Me, now I wait 1 minute for activations, but many times for me this activation occurs in capsule if not adding DMSO.
When adding DMSO SC and AC mix up together 60 seconds minimum (most activation occurs by 60 seconds but continues for ten minutes)
If adding DMSO wait till activation has occurred and then add to mix.
I activate in a 30ml bottle (1oz) with a closed dropper top, adding DMSO after ACtivation of at least 60 seconds using CA50 or HCl4

The Cancer Tutor, Webster Kehr, is not up to date on what is happening in the MMS world. He told me that protocol is about 10 years old.

Of course CLO2 gas will leave an open container if you let it cook for a long time like he does in his protocol. We know better - by activating in a closed container and then cool down the solution, which he does not mention, our "CLO2 Solution" (Hah! another acronym, CS) should last 12 hours, the protocol time.

His activating SC and CA without water is similar to CDH Capsule Recipe #1, which Jim Humble invented, and by not using any water, you generate a lot of CLO2 gas, which turns out to be rather unstable if you keep it too long. but, it should last 12 hours in a fridge. The CS of Jim's capsule CDH made in a 1 fl oz (30ml) glass bottle was measured at about 40,000ppm. Hot stuff, indeed.

Thank you RevRay and JB13, it is much more clear. I will start the dmso this weekend.

I did give him the smallest amount of mms2 and within 20 minutes he vomited. I pushed some emergenC with syringe in his mouth and he settled quickly. I guess he is not ready for mms2 yet. He is up to 3 drops cdh and doing fine. I will hold at 3/hr 10x and add small doses with dmso and see how he does.

I wonder about the dmso test to see if there is liver pain. My dog cannot tell me if there is liver pain, anyone have any ideas about that?

He did have a blood panel done just over a year ago it was all in the normal range, however, I do believe he is having kidney issues as he drinks a lot more and urinates more as well. So, I am not sure about the liver. I will implement dmso topically this weekend and hope for the best.

Any advice for the mms2 - I gave him a very small amount and almost immediate vomiting. does that mean I just have to wait longer on mms1 before I start mms2.

Maybe add dmso to the internal drops, I am mixing (cdh w/10ml h2o added) then put in about 10ml chick broth and about tsp baby food and mix into a thin gravy like consistency - will the dmso added to this be more beneficial? will it do the same as the topical - carry it through the cells faster?

Hi Penny
You want DMSO to bond to MMS/CDH and not the food.
If you use CD and DMSO topically little of it will reach liver if you apply to effected area.

How did you administer the MMS2?