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14 Dec 2011 13:45 #9250 by Koilava
Too bad I didn't take a picture, but I would go with the brownish one.
Definitely it would make sense, since it appeared in the very end of the tube in the CD-solution, also around the tiny holes I pocked to it with a hot needle (for smaller bubbles). And part of it got to the liquid floating around.

Would you say the CDS is drinkable even thou it was a softer tubing?

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14 Dec 2011 14:06 #9251 by pam
I would say, yes. I have had the same situation, with 2 glass baby bottles, clear, and HDPE tubing. It seems that it's a function of some of the original mix being pulled over into the new CDS mix - What I found, though, was that when I poured the CDS off into the CDS bottles, it stayed on the bottom of my 8oz baby bottle - it was literally frozen to the bottom, LOL. This was seen with the Humble protocol, not with the Kalcker protocol. I kept the receiving bottle much colder with the Humble protocol.

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14 Dec 2011 14:47 - 14 Dec 2011 14:57 #9253 by Michael Harrah
The reddish brownish stuff that sinks to the bottom or sometimes comes up as frozen foam when your water is really cold, seems to be carryover from the reaction chamber. I'm using the stiff polyethylene tubing and glass chambers and getting a little of it in almost all batches. I don't think it is the plastic. It does sink to the bottom in globules and you can just pour your CDS off the top. I don't think it hurts anything even if it does get into your CDS.

Today I'll be using a gas scrubbing chamber in the middle like Steve is describing and that should prevent this from happening. I'm attaching the pdf on this again.

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14 Dec 2011 21:53 #9264 by kiwi

Koilava wrote:



Hi,
I made some CDS and accidentally put 100ml of activated MMS to absorb to 500ml bottle, so it might be strong. Also use a third container with water to see if it would get color from the excess gas, not much came.

I used the soft pipe, because couldn't find the rigid one, and it got all red, especially inside the cold water, to a degree that in the CD-solution there where red scraps floating around, do you think this solution is still okay to consume?


Hi Koilava,
In Jim Humble's video he shows at least 2 important things:
1: he uses a ratio of 1:8 which means for example; 10ml unactivated mms to 80ml absorbtion medium; ( or 4 times the activated mixture volume) in your setup would = 400ml required
2: he states for the activated mms use a bottle that has minimal air space above it to maximise gas transfer to the solution; the second reason for this is safety - when it may appear the mms isnt giving off any more gas, there can be an amount of gas sitting in the air space above the activated mms - and if not careful when that bottle is opened can release a volume of gas - do not breate it!!!

hope that helps
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15 Dec 2011 17:33 - 15 Dec 2011 17:46 #9284 by polo
Just thought I would post the Oxychem diagram of the scrubbing tower here for easy access:





Also, I have been experimenting with a used lab hotplate/stirrer combination for my reaction flask and it seems to work very well! Occasionally, they can be picked up very cheap on ebay, that is where I got mine. It allows one to heat the activated sodium chlorite to approx 150*F and stir it at the same time. Nice!




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16 Dec 2011 03:02 - 16 Dec 2011 06:21 #9300 by Victor
Hi everyone, I successfully made my first CDS bottle today following Jim Humbles suggestions on you tube. Very excited!




put 1oz of CDS into dropper from 8oz bottle of CDS


1oz dropper CDS & 0.5oz dropper of DMSO
Used 1/4 table spoon of CDS
4 Drops of DMSO (70/30 mixture)
Filled shot glass with purified water

for "1 cc/ml of CDS is equal to 4 drops of MMS and he adds 3 oz. of water for a tasteless dose."

I have a couple of questions.

Can use a shot glass of 1/4 table spoon of CDS with apple juice, instead of water?

Can you add DMSO for better cancer penetration, which would be 4 drops for 1 ml of CDS, with water or juice in a shot glass and or must it be in a 3 oz water concentration?

I hope I am making sense?
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16 Dec 2011 06:54 #9301 by ruby74869
They have taught you well ,you have did a great job.

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16 Dec 2011 07:51 #9302 by ruby74869
Thank you Scott .your so gentle and kind in your help .

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16 Dec 2011 12:35 - 16 Dec 2011 12:39 #9307 by Nir
I used a Coffee mug heater - it is very cheap and you dont need to try to keep boiling water at a fix temperature all the time. the coffee mug heater gives the temperature that is needed and keep it the same all the time.

coffee mag heater and the little lab bottle which is cheaper and safer then a baby bottle


I used a rubber-band to make it safer so the glass bottle can't move


This is how it is look like when the CDS is being made


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16 Dec 2011 14:49 - 16 Dec 2011 14:50 #9308 by pam
Victor - just a quick comment, and not a criticism at all, but I've always seen everything done around the MMS using plastic (or wooden) spoons - I'm guessing there's something about the interaction with metal, so you may wish to change your spoon. Michael Harrah uses a measuring spoon for his dose, so I'm going to let him respond to you.

Although we haven't spoken about CDS with juice, I would guess it would be ok as long as there is NO VITAMIN C ADDED. Finding an apple juice without it here in the States is getting more and more difficult <sigh>

At this moment, using the Humble protocol, .5cc of CDS is equal to 3 drops of MMS. With the Kalcker process, you get the 1cc CDS = 3drops MMS.

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