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ZnzMagic wrote:

Ha, ha, did wonder myself what he had died of, but not one moment did I have a tinge of a conspiracy theory.

Wonder how many more denialists could fit into any conspirary theories out there.......

LOL, anytime I see "untimely death" I start to wonder, and (wikipedia said heart attack) given how many other people who have bucked up against TPTB end up with "heart attacks" --- it raises my antenna <G>.

pam wrote:

ZnzMagic wrote:

Ha, ha, did wonder myself what he had died of, but not one moment did I have a tinge of a conspiracy theory.

Wonder how many more denialists could fit into any conspirary theories out there.......

LOL, anytime I see "untimely death" I start to wonder, and (wikipedia said heart attack) given how many other people who have bucked up against TPTB end up with "heart attacks" --- it raises my antenna <G>.

I thought you had an attenna!

Hulda Clark lays the blame for AIDS on sheep liver worms and benzine compounds. She wrote a book "Cure for Aids' complete with testimonials.

The book can be found here: www.drclark.com/shop_us/shop/USER_ARTIKEL_HANDLING_AUFRUF.php?darstellen=1&Kategorie_ID=306&PEPPERSESS=10b8a4ecf6fefaba7871a83751a29087&kat_last=306&kat_aktiv=306

I have to agree with ZnzMagic's appraisal of the cuase of Aids. The HIV thing is still moot, as there are many "scientific" reports regarding the culprit mitocondria, but then I am completely against the "Peer Review" process practiced by the scientific community. Which master is paying for the research grant?!?

I have seen too many HIV+ diagnosed children that have not yet experienced sex and they are victim to the ARV solution. Once treated with a restyled diet, have access to clean water and MMS, they regain their health. Why? The same for adults who wake up and change their dietry practice, albeit difficult as poverty restricts their access to qaulity nitrition. When we are successful with education to bring the sufferer to produce their own food in their home styled gardens, they experience a recovery in health.

For us, MMS has made a siginificant change here in Africa, as the body system clearly indicates excessive viral loads from blood work! I am collecting stats on this now when we are successful in obtaining copies of blood tests, and the trend is building indicating MMS makes a massive difference. Nutrition and qaulity hydration is the other key factor in our expereince.

Other findings in similar environments would be highly interesting to compare with here. If we are right, I predict an "attack" on this body of data - as there is too much money at stake.

Another comment on the sex thing imo - "An idea is the most powerful force in the human mind."

Just my 2 cents...

Reality Check- on ground in SA this is what is going on, heroes healing in the field do not believe HIV-AIDS is an epidemic disease virus, they are denialists, the President of SA thinks HIV-AIDS can be healed by a good shower, why do you think he would suggest that if thousands of experts are saying otherwise, and thousands of experts also agree with him but get no press, why are they so many denialists if HIV-AIDS was really what they say it is, check these links out and get to know what is really going on on the ground in parts of Africa apart from MMS movement, people being healed of a deadly disease with lemons, extra virgin olive oil, ginger, garlic, tumeric, aloa vera and some aspirin in short.

Some of the following links contain very moving grapgic pics only for the striong minded.....

THE HARSCH REALITY, HIDDEN MISERIES, THE SILENT SUFFERINGS,

tinevandermaas.com/reality-check/

I look at these people and I do not think sex is the main culprit, we being having orgies throughout history and healing ourselves of all nasty stuff from the day Captain Cook sailed to Australia, lemons always did it, why now does a sexual transmitted disease have to be an epidemic virus, in my prime this happens, no it cannot be so.......

Yes there will be no water because all the cash is going to war and other materialistic gains by the rich...............

HIV-AIDS is not the killer they tell us it is, the same discoverous of HIV-AIDs have admitted it can be healed by good nutriation and here is more going on in Africa with a simple juice mentioned ingredients above......


www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=196889882186


Umlingo WamaNgcolosi Lifestyle

www.facebook.com/pages/Umlingo-WamaNgcolosi-Lifestyle/171967202884925

KIM COOLS is another guy in the field in South Africa doing his stuff healing people with nutrition and does not believe it is as sexually transmitted as people seem to believe and research supports his views.....

www.facebook.com/joachim.cools

why are HIV-AIDS clinics telling people otherwise........





Who is telling the truth.......

Perhaps it has helped abit telling our youths to dress properly and not be a DICK, use a condon, but is sex really it, we being at it from the beggining of time and it aint going to stop now...... it has helped the youth from not having a LOVE PARADE as in Berlin every day, imagine if they realized it is not sexually transmitted, but you get it from to much XTC or whatever they are using these days perhaps alot more lives and resources could be saved if the denialists were right which I suspect they are, always a scam going down.....

I think we all have to check and double check all information we are being feed from school days, do not just accept what is being taught, research it and make up your own mind......

Thanks,

Greetings, you might find this interesting reading......

Ines Guten abend mein Freund- here is the book of Dr. Robert Willner his theories are based on Dr. Peter Duesberg work and others, atleast a partn of it I could find for free on the internet, it makes very interesting reading and certainly confirms HIV-AIDS is not a sexually transmitted disease as you think, do more research and see if you can really find supporting evidence and facts that it is sexually transmitted, I think Dr. Robert Willner was a good Dr. and knew what he was doing, caring to his patients and loved people, that is why you see him injecting himself with the virus trying to save the world, I some how now see that Pam could be making sense, shot by a heart attack gun to silence him........

If after reading this book you are not convinced by the factual and incontrovertible evidence presented, then the title of this book was well chosen. You have been victimized by the "DEADLY DECEPTION".

THE PROOF THAT SEX AND HIV ABSOLUTELY DO NOT CAUSE AIDS

The shocking truth is at last revealed in...

DEADLY DECEPTION DEADLY DECEPTION
By Robert E. Willner, M.D., Ph.D.

THIS IS A BOOK OF FACTS.
IT IS NOT BASED ON FACT, IT IS FACT.
IT IS NOT BASED ON HYPOTHESES, IT IS FACT.

www.whale.to/c/willner_deadly_deception.html


THE FACTS (The Real Truth)

AIDS is caused by drugs and malnutrition (starvation) and the virus has nothing to do with it.

After reading this book, some of you will, because of a ten-year media blitz of misinformation, still ask the question, "Then why are so many people dying of a disease we never heard of before?"

The answer:

I. AIDS is simply a new name for 25 diseases that have always
existed.

II. The causes of acquired immune deficiency have been listed in
medical texts for over 70 years. They are, in order of impor­
tance: malnutrition (starvation), drugs, radiation, and che­
motherapy.

III. It appeared to be an epidemic at first, because the drug-
addicted segment of the gay population began to suffer the
effects from years of drug use. They became an identifiable
group when they came out of the closet just prior to the
"epidemic".

IV. AIDS in Africa is what it has always been — slow starvation
and malnutrition — and it hasn't changed at all, except for the
name. Simply compare any AIDS patient with the appearance
of a crack cocaine baby or the horrible television pictures of
starving Somalians, or prisoners in the concentration camps of Bosnia-Herzgovena and Nazi Germany. The epidemic in Africa simply does not exist. It has been an invention based on completely false information provided by indigent families seeking funds from charitable agencies and also by AIDS workers seeking to protect lucrative jobs. The statistics re­leased are all unverified estimates that have proven to be 91% wrong.

V. Hemophiliacs get AIDS in small numbers because of additives
and contaminants in their frequent blood transfusions. This
book gives you proof it is not HIV.

VI. AZT, a drug so toxic that it was discarded as a treatment for
cancer, and which causes AIDS, is being given to individuals
because they tested positive for antibodies to an innocent
virus. They will die of an acquired immune deficiency caused
by AZT — and many of them are perfectly healthy!

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We do not "catch" any disease; we simply succumb to our maladaptation to the environment, pollution of ourselves or pollu­tion of the environment. If this were not true, then the first "epi­demic" on earth would have been our last. The epidemics and plagues of history killed millions, but more lived than died—why? The survivors have always been those whose immune systems and defenses were intact.

A healthy individual is one who has adapted to all of the conditions and everything that occupies our planet. This includes not only bacteria and viruses, but the air, the water, the plants and all inhabitants, including our fellow human beings.

THE ACQUIRED IMMUNE DEFICIENCY SYNDROME (AIDS) is a syndrome and not a disease, just as its name implies. It is a collection of an ever-growing number of diseases which have been placed in one pot. It is like a vegetable soup containing many vegetables; except that in this soup, all the vegetables are supposed to come from only one seed. Now, if that is confusing, they will provide you with 41 different explanations or hypotheses, as to how this might be possible. These explanations are all figments of constipated thought and there is no laboratory evidence confirming them.

FACT
Not one single reference paper (scientific proof) exists proving that HIV is the cause or even a co-factor of AIDS.

FACT
Probably most, if not all, of the causes of AIDS are already known (for over 70 years) and HIV does not qualify as one of them.

FACT
HIV was decreed as the cause of AIDS by a politician and a virologist who has been found guilty of "scientific misconduct".

FACT
Condoms cannot stop a disease that is caused by starvation and drugs.

FACT
As long as the deaths due to starvation are blamed on the "AIDS virus", the responsibility of ineffectual and corrupt governments for the real cause will remain unchallenged, hun­dreds of billions of dollars will be wasted, and ineffectual and deadly treatments will be employed.

FACT
The studies on which the release of AZT was based are fraud­ulent.


One of the most important whistle blowers is Dr. Peter Duesberg, professor of molecular and cell biology at the University of California, Berkeley.

Since it takes 1000 HIV-positive sexual contacts to transmit HIV and about 10% of all Central Africans, or 6 million, are HIV-positive (Section 2.2), 6 million Africans would have had to achieve on average at least 10,000 sexual contacts with random Africans to pick up HIV.

Since this is highly improbable, it is also highly improbable that sexual transmission of HIV is the cause of AIDS in Africa.

Source Peter H. Duesberg Ph.D.


Duesberg's papers were throroughly peer reviewed but no flaw in fact or logic could be found.


HIV-Assumed to be Sexually Transmitted-Depends on Perinatal Transmission for Survival

AIDS is said to be a sexually transmitted disease, because HIV is thought to be a sexually transmitted virus (Section 2.2). However, HIV is not by nature a sexually transmitted virus. Sexual transmission of HIV is extremely inefficient. Based on studies measuring heterosexual and homosexual transmission, it depends on an average of 1000 heterosexual contacts and 100-500 homosexual contacts with antibody-positive people (Rosenberg and Weiner, 1988; Lawrence et al., 1990; Blattner, 1991; Hearst and Hulley, 1988; Peterman et al., 1988). According to Rosenberg and Weiner, "HIV infection in non-drug using prostitutes tends to be low or absent, implying that sexual activity alone does not place them at high risk" (Rosenberg and Weiner, 1988). Moreover, unwanted pregnancies and venereal diseases, but not HIV infections, have increased significantly in the U.S. since HIV has been known (Institute of Medicine, 1988; Aral and Holmes, 1991). This argues directly against sexual transmission of HIV.

Sexual transmission is so inefficient because there is no free, non-neutralized HIV anywhere in antibody-positive persons, particularly not in semen (Section 3.3). In a group of 25 antibody-positive men, only one single provirus of HIV could be found in over 1 million cells of semen in one of the men and no HIV at all was found in the semen of the other 24 (Van Voorhis et al., 1991). Likewise, HIV could only be isolated or reactivated from ejaculates of 9 out of 95 antibody-positive men by cocultivation with 2 million phytohemagglutinin-activated leukocytes (Anderson et al., 1992). No virus or microbe could survive if it depended on a transmission strategy that is as inefficient as 1 in 1000 contacts.

Hypothesis: AIDS is sexually transmitted.

Comment: Nonsense!

This is an intentional bald-faced lie! There is absolutely no evidence to support that statement. Studies indicate that it would take 500 to 1000 unprotected sexual encounters to transmit the virus. However, remember that being HIV-positive means that you are immune to an inno­cent virus just like dozens of other viruses that humans carry. A study of 80 HIV carriers and their mates revealed that after hundreds of sexual relationships, only 12 of the mates became HIV-positive. None of them have developed AIDS. The incidence of AIDS correlates very convinc­ingly (95%) with the use of drugs, not with sexual behavior or contacts. The incidence of AIDS indicates that it is very difficult to acquire. It occurs in very select groups, which is why it gained notice in the first place. It came to promi­nence primarily amongst gay males, who became highly "visible" when they "came out of the closet" around 1980. Subsequently, we became aware of the syndrome in drug users and hemophiliacs. A careful examination of the statistics reveal that the 10% of the gay population that got AIDS, were almost exclusively drug users (>95%) and you must include AZT. The most common denomi­nator in AIDS is drugs, (see chapter: AIDS is not transmitted sexually.)
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AIDS ACQUIRED BY DRUG CONSUMPTION AND OTHER NONCONTAGIOUS RISK FACTORS

PETER H. DUESBERG
Department of Molecular and Cell Biology, 229 Stanley Hall, University of California at Berkeley, Berkeley, CA 94720, U.S.A.


Abstract -- The hypothesis that human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is a new, sexually transmitted virus that causes AIDS has been entirely unproductive in terms of public health benefits. Moreover, it fails to predict the epidemiology of AIDS, the annual AIDS risk and the very heterogeneous AIDS diseases of infected persons. The correct hypothesis must explain why: (1) AIDS includes 25 previously known diseases and two clinically and epidemiologically very different epidemics, one in America and Europe, the other in Africa; (2) almost all American (90%) and European (86%) AIDS patients are males over the age of 20, while African AIDS affects both sexes equally; (3) the annual AIDS risks of infected babies, intravenous drug users, homosexuals who use aphrodisiacs, hemophiliacs and Africans vary over 100-fold; (4) many AIDS patients have diseases that do not depend on immunodeficiency, such as Kaposi's sarcoma, lymphoma, dementia and wasting; (5) the AIDS diseases of Americans (97%) and Europeans (87%) are predetermined by prior health risks, including long-term consumption of illicit recreational drugs, the antiviral drug AZT and congenital deficiencies like hemophilia, and those of Africans are Africa-specific. Both negative and positive evidence shows that AIDS is not infectious: (1) the virus hypothesis fails all conventional criteria of causation; (2) over 100-fold different AIDS risks in different risk groups show that HIV is not sufficient for AIDS; (3) AIDS is only "acquired," if at all, years after HIV is neutralized by antibodies; (4) AIDS is new but HIV is a long-established, perinatally transmitted retrovirus; (5) alternative explanations disprove all assumptions and anecdotal cases cited in support of the virus hypothesis; (6) all AIDS-defining diseases occur in matched risk groups, at the same rate, in the absence of HIV; (7) there is no common, active microbe in all AIDS patients; ( AIDS manifests in unpredictable and unrelated diseases; and (9) it does not spread randomly between the sexes in America and Europe. Based on numerous data documenting that drugs are necessary for HIV-positives and sufficient for HIV-negatives to develop AIDS diseases, it is proposed that all American/European AIDS diseases, that exceed their normal background, result from recreational and anti-HIV drugs. African AIDS is proposed to result from protein malnutrition, poor sanitation and subsequent parasitic infections. This hypothesis resolves all paradoxes of the virus-AIDS hypothesis. It is epidemiologically and experimentally testable and provides a rational basis for AIDS control.

"It's too late to correct," said the Red Queen. "When you've once said a thing, that fixes it, and you must take the consequences."

- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

Source.... www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/pdphth0.htm

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