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Cat with infected ear polyp - surgical removal not an option. HELP! 04 Jun 2022 18:04 #75637

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Hi. I have been researching this site and many others. I have downloaded Jim's book and have already started some protocols with MMS and DMSO, but there are so many things out there - I need some direction and advice from someone who has experience with this particular issue. 

Long story short, I recently rescued an abandoned cat with a serious ear problem. It was so bad my vet couldn't even see in the ear. After antibiotics and drops (did a culture and switched meds) things improved. He has a polyp that continues causing infection after the antibiotic is finished - and will continue to do so as long as it is present. The procedure for surgically pulling it out sounds minimally invasive and logical, but this 6 (?) year old cat has a bad heart. The blood test "V-Check" produced a number of 1304 (above 100 is abnormal), so we followed up with an Echo and he had some fluid around his heart and was diagnosed with Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and left-sided congestive heart failure. He is a very high risk for anesthesia and it is not recommended for him. 

His polyp is draining into a lymph down at his jawline and neck. A needle aspiration determined what this "lump" was. It was not determined to be cancerous. I had a home to place him in, but he has too many complications. I have taken him in and adopted him and committed to nursing him back to health. He is separated from my other three cats for now, but is in a quiet, stable, comfortable atmosphere and has a forever home with me.

I feel like I'm up against a wall -- and the clock. He is on heart meds in order to stabilize him, but this polyp has to go. It's awful. The horrible smell is back and it bleeds occasionally and drains. 

I have been using colloidal silver, CBD, (internal and topical) Panacur (Fenbenzadole), Omega 3s and some other recommended tinctures and probiotics. I recently started MMS protocol. Did the C2 mix from the animal chart. He was not eating and I didn't know if this was upsetting his stomach -- could be many things, but I stopped the oral drops. He hates the syringe anyway. 

I went to the topical application of MMS with DMSO (one drop of each in 1 oz distilled water), but am concerned about getting in the ear because I know the DMSO can cause ear damage and hearing loss (which would still be the least of his problems), so I'm dabbing some inside directly on the polyp and most of it on the exterior of the side of the ear and jaw where the infection is draining  - and on the ear flap. He will clean himself and lick some off, so this will help. 

Only been doing this specifically for a couple days, and it looks worse. Hopefully before it gets better? I'm afraid to add anything else to the mix. I don't want to overwhelm him, but I need to throw the kitchen sink at this. Multiple topical applications is somewhat difficult. I'm down to once a day because of his stress level.  

I don't think I saw this in the animal section of Jim's book, but can the MMS be given in food? I know water is an option, but I'm afraid he won't drink the water. ALSO Jim recommends holding back on supplements. UGH! I need help, please. I'm very sick over this. THANK YOU!

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Cat with infected ear polyp - surgical removal not an option. HELP! 07 Jun 2022 10:15 #75677

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My cat has FIV (feline HIV), and it messes up his immune system,
so he gets constant upper respiratory illness with nasal discharge
that was nasty green and unable to breath through his nose when
I first found him as a stray.

Before I found MMS (and tried it on myself first), he had to have
antibiotics all the time to combat the bacterial infections.
They tend to work pretty well, some more than others.
Not only are antibiotics not good for ANYONE to take all the time,
they stop working at some point, and you have to change to
another one. And another one. (resistance) This 'quickly' becomes problematic.

The MMS works BETTER than antibiotics in every way.
I give him his drops in about a teaspoon of Organic Chicken Broth ('Free Range', Pacific Foods),
which is not ideal, but it covers the flavor and smell.
Otherwise I would have to force feed it to him in water, because
he will not drink that. I prefer to not do that if I can avoid it. (for me and them)

It keeps him clear with little to no discharge with easy breathing.
I used to have to do it daily, multiple times, but I think his immune system
has recovered some, so I can now give it to him a few times a day,
and even skip a day or a few days, and he tends to do well.

My other cat won't drink the chicken broth, I'm not sure why.
All cats/dogs/people/animals are different.
Maybe he has a heightened sense of taste or smell.

I talk about Mr Black on my website here:
www.aspoonfulofmedicine.com/mystory.php#cat_story

I give him 5 to 7 drops. He balks at some point if I try to give him much more.
Probably the taste & smell. He is about a 10 pound cat, over 15 years old.
His blood panels tend to be "perfect", which surprises the vets I take him to,
for a cat of his age, and with FIV. (and not taking antibiotics, like most cat with FIV)

Unfortunately, none of my vets will work with me, which is understandable.
It is not AVA approved, and all that, and they could lose their license, or
I could sue them if I was a jackass. They just find the situation "interesting".

I think I could most likely "cure" his FIV, which is "incurable", and
eventually causes cats to die, usually from cancers or something bad
like that, but I would need to up his dosage. I think this would require
injections, which freaks me out. But, maybe someday. Maybe using
diabetes insulin needles and a neutral pH solution. But I would have to
kind of 'guess' how much to give him and all that.

Sucks that I can't get any vet help. And I wish there was more online about
using MMS/CD on non-human animals. At least we have Jim Humble's
information in his book.

He does tend to get dehydrated every 3 to 6 months, or so.
Neither I nor his vets know why. MMS can be dehydrating, so maybe it's that.
I feed him food mixed with water as a gravy to make sure he is well hydrated,
and keep a close eye on his water intake and peeing.

I hope this information helps you and gives you some ideas on how to
treat your cat with MMS/CD.
I am now using CDS instead of SCS + HCl activated MMS1.
It's basically the same thing, but stronger, because it is fully activated.

Anyway, at this point I just do the best I can with him and it is working
very well and he is MUCH better off than he was when I found him,
so I am beyond happy for me and him.
He is having a MUCH better life. So you can't complain about that.
He probably won't live too much longer, but you never know.
Maybe the MMS will help keep him relatively healthy for a few to several more years.
(for those who do not know, post-15 years old is VERY old for a cat --
he's nearing 100 years old in human comparison)

If you have any questions or concerns or whatever, do not hesitate to
contact me. Here or e-mail or whatever.
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Cat with infected ear polyp - surgical removal not an option. HELP! 07 Jun 2022 11:40 #75679

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Thanks so much for your reply. I appreciate (and understand) your diligence with Mr. Black. It's amazing what you have accomplished with a FIV cat. 15 years is a great testament to your care. 

The daily maintenance of MMS1 on Jim's animal chart looks to be 5.5 mls of Cup1, which I'm reading to be about 1 activated drop in about 1/2 cup of water. Is this where you're taking your 5-7 drops? I am trying to understand the dosing and charts. Being that I have to get going with this, I haven't had time to read Jim's book in full, but am trying to read the parts I need to. I do the 1 activated drop with the DMSO and oil topically, but started back yesterday with the 5 drops ORALLY ( starting solution - 8 activated drops in a 1/2 cup of water). Thanks for the hint on the broth, as I'm afraid to put it in his water because I don't want him to shy away from it. 

Thanks also for the point about dehydration. He appeared a bit dehydrated last night, but I wondered if it was one of the heart meds (it's a diuretic for fluid around the heart), but I was afraid to give fluids because of that, so trying to get him to eat as much moisture as possible. I'll get some broth. Pacific Foods is what I get when I buy it. 

I understand about the antibiotics. They did help and there is one other option that will help 2 of the 3 bacteria, per the culture, but I expect the same outcome as the one that they said would handle all 3 bacteria.... once you stop using it, the infection returns. Not going back in that direction. I would rather boost his immune system at this point. As you said, the resistance will be created and everything will worsen from there. 

If you could please confirm your MMS1/water mix for your drops it would be appreciated. 

By the way, my cat's name is Corey. 

Blessings!
 

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Cat with infected ear polyp - surgical removal not an option. HELP! 08 Jun 2022 01:01 #75689

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For his weight, based on the charts, I do eight drops in 1/4 cup water,
and do his drops from that solution. I kind of try to follow the suggested
drops from the chart, but he balks if I do the higher drops, so I just do
the best that I can. As long as it works, that's all I care about.
If you refrigerate his solution it will usually last a few days, if it is in
a well-sealed container. Or make it daily.

That he is as comfortable as possible and can breath and not be
all snarked up and sneezing discharge is my goal. I try to keep his nose dry
with nonexistent discharge if I can. The discharge is watery
when he is pretty clean, and if it turns white, I know he is not being
properly dosed. He is really good at lapping up the chicken broth,
so I am lucky in that respect.

You might want to do the eight times a day protocol, which is what
I started out with, until he was "healed", which is always temporary,
and then I reduced it later on as I could. It might take a couple of weeks
or a month or longer to see some good results.

Sometimes I add in a drop or two of DMSO, but you have to be careful.
I've herxed him a few times being too aggressive, and he has dehydration
problems anyway, so vomiting is not good. The DMSO is also good for
general reduction of inflammation, and pain, which are usually cohorts.
Sometimes I give him a dose of DMSO just for inflammation and pain.
He has severe tooth issues, as well, which I can tell are probably
horrendously painful sometimes.

Unfortunately, he can't tell me if he is nauseous and such, or how he's
feeling, you just have to do your best trying to eyeball him and his
behavior and make your best guesstimate.

Good luck. I hope you have as good of results as I've had.
My 'guess' is that you will.
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Cat with infected ear polyp - surgical removal not an option. HELP! 08 Jun 2022 12:04 #75694

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Thanks for the information on the measurement of drops to water. I do 8 to a 1/2 a cup. I'm not going to waste it - will take some myself. I hear it's best made up fresh, but if I do use it a couple days it's in a covered glass jar. 

I agree about the nauseousness. They can't tell us unless they throw up or not eat. Corey will occasionally not eat and I'm not sure what it is that's causing that. I haven't added DMSO to the oral drops, but use it outside the ear and he does rub with his paw and lick it when he cleans himself. I figure the small bit he would ingest would be OK. But I need to find out what's upsetting his eating. 

I haven't picked up the broth yet - I see they have a low sodium version. . I was worried about salt with his heart, but I hope it works. I would be happy to do it 8 times per day if he eats it this way! Thanks for the tip. 

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Cat with infected ear polyp - surgical removal not an option. HELP! 10 Jun 2022 18:39 #75741

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I use the regular sodium version because I figured it's more flavorful, and
would cover the smell and taste better.
And he eats so little of it.
The other might be good, too, depending on the cat.

Please let us know if/when it helps.
Posting information helps other Companion Animal Guardians in a world where information is scarce.
And we always like to hear success stories.
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Cat with infected ear polyp - surgical removal not an option. HELP! 10 Jun 2022 22:29 #75752

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I got the low sodium version a few days ago and he likes it! I don't know if I'm using too much - just about 1 tablespoon. I added 2 drops from Cup2 the first day, 3 the second and 5 this morning. He has no problem eating that mix. He had been up to 5 drops orally before, but had to do a syringe. Am I correct that in the Starting Procedure this is once per day

He doesn't seem to be improving, and while he doesn't vomit or anything, he is not eating as well as he had been. I am doing drops directly on the polyp (1 drop MMS1, 1 drop DMSO in a little less than 1/2 oz of water.)  Been doing this at  least twice a day. If the evening I'm using his Zymox drops and some colloidal silver. I was using some MMS1 with DMSO mixed with coconut oil and drop of frankincense for the outside of his ear and down his jaw/neck where there is infection as well. He wants to wipe this with his paw and he licks it to clean, so I don't know if this is affecting his appetite or not making him feel good. My friend who swears by the frankincense says such a tiny dose shouldn't hurt him if he ingests it. I didn't do the external oil application last night as an experiment - and he still didn't want to eat this morning. I'm trying different foods to keep him interested. 

The polyp seems to be getting bigger, but it's hard to tell sometimes. It's definitely much worse since being on the antibiotics. Infection is still there and it'll bleed if he scratches it, of course. It gets beet red. I feel so bad for him. I know even a bit of DMSO is good for pain. And I know I can't put much of that in the ear at all, but the polyp is to the side the ear canal so I shoot for that area with the drops. 

He is a little less hydrated then before, and I'm going to call the vet to see about reducing the dosage of Lasix. (I may do it anyway)  I hate this, but he had fluid around his heart. I'm hoping this med is the culprit and I can ramp up the MMS now that he takes it in the broth.  I know the MMS can affect heart function as it pertains to meds he is on, so would love to use more MMS and less pharma! I know how you feel about the vets. I get so frustrated with them because they usually can't think outside of the box. There is no way I would mention the MMS to them. Colloidal silver and CBD, yes. They wouldn't think to much of that. i do add the silver and CBD to his food. He hasn't had a problem with it. Not sure what the problem is now. 

Sorry to go on and on. Just frustrated with wanting to feel confident with the protocol, but instead feeling totally confused and scared.

Thanks so much for your help. 
 

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Cat with infected ear polyp - surgical removal not an option. HELP! 13 Jun 2022 08:41 #75776

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I am very happy to help out as I can, especially with non-human animals.
(I have one cat right now and no dogs)

I'm pretty sure you are supposed to do it 8 times a day, one hour apart, just like with people.

Sometimes my memory fritzes, so I try to go back and check and re-read to make sure.

But even a few times a day is better than nothing.

I think once a day is probably too little.

When I need to get my cat to eat, I usually use "human tuna". He almost always eats that.
Either canned or the aseptic (?) packages. Canned has tuna water, which might be good.
And if you heat the food up, it makes the food smell and taste better and be more palatable.

I have used the appetite stimulants on occasion, the kind you wipe in their ear using gloves.
That seems to work most of the time. Sometimes the vets will use steroids, a shot or pills.
But I've noticed that most vets are trying to not use steroids these days, probably due to side effects.

Do you have Jim Humble's book?

Here are some excerpts: (I assume it is okay to post this)

Chapter 15

Animals

Protocol for Animals

All of the protocols in this book can be applied to most
animals (there are some variations for ruminants, see
page 290) from dogs and cats, to horses, hamsters, and
elephants. This chapter on animals is not meant to be
comprehensive by any means. Time and space do not
permit at the time of this writing. However, I do want to
give you some general guidelines and rules for animals,
which if followed should allow you to handle most of their
diseases and health problems.

As mentioned in the Preface of this book, those of you
who have read my previous writings on MMS may notice
some variations here to what I’ve published in the past.
For animals, as with humans, through on-going use of
MMS we have learned new things. It has become more
and more obvious that animals and humans react to the
healing benefits of MMS in similar ways.

Basically all the same rules apply for animals as with
people when using MMS. That is, if the animal seems to
get better with what you are doing, keep up with what
you are doing. Do not change anything. If the animal
seems to get sicker with MMS, such as having diarrhea or
vomiting, then reduce the dosage you are giving by one
half, but do not stop. If you do not see positive results of
any kind within three to four days, you would then go to
the next level of protocol. With animals, I suggest less
waiting time than with people before going to the next
level of the protocol, because normally animals respond
(heal) faster than humans. For the most part you can help
an animal with MMS pretty much the same as a human.
If you have read and carefully studied this book, the same
rules and principles apply, with some minor adjustments.


I had forgotten that he gives a different starting methodology
for animals, but eventually you do do the hourly doses according
to his HRP (Health Recovery Plan), Starting Procedure, Protocol 1000, etc.

Using ingested DMSO right off might not be a good idea. (probably isn't?)
You don't want him to detox too quickly or he will feel bad, and that could
affect his appetite.

Hang in there. I expect you will start to see good results 'soon'.

(I wonder why the antibiotics aren't helping (?))
I should have become a Vet Tech, to better take care of my own animals,
and so I could better help other people with theirs. But I have trouble
seeing animals in pain and dealing with them in a nursing capacity.
It's hard enough dealing with them as I have had to do all these years.
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Cat with infected ear polyp - surgical removal not an option. HELP! 13 Jun 2022 12:55 #75778

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Thank you for the response. I did get Jim's book and i have read that section you posted. I read it several times and read some of the people stuff. I believe you are right about every hour, but there was something keeping me from that information sinking in. I'm not sure why - maybe because most people aren't with their animals for that span (but the more I can do the better), not doing it with food is hard with how cat's eat (when they want to, regardless of when you put the food down), and my thinking that just the single dose was affecting his appetite. Plus having to do the syringe at times. He was good with the broth for a couple days - and then he wasn't. I've done the tuna thing as well. And over the weekend I just did some juice from a can of food. I have to switch it up to keep him interested. Fortunately, there is plenty of the solution that I can throw away the serving and try something else. 

I haven't done oral DMSO, other than what he may lick from his ear drops (MMS1, DMSO, and distilled water).  The topical application seems to be helping slightly and is said to also help with pain. The good thing about the ear is all of the blood vessels to help the body absorb.. I do the mix with the single drop of each for inside the ear, and use a mixture with a few drops when I do exterior. 

I got the lasix dose reduced by the vet, thankfully, and this has helped his hydration and maybe his appetite a bit. I also have the transdermal appetite stimulant script, but will only use if it totally doesn't want to eat. I'm going to try to do as many doses of Starting Procedure as possible today. 

Thanks again for setting me straight on the dosing. I feel like a dolt for not getting it, but on the other hand I'm glad that there is more to do to ramp it up, and that motivates me and gives me hope. I feel like the topical and the supplements are kicking in a bit - there was a change in appearance and color, like maybe it's drying? And we didn't have blood yesterday. 

I'm with you on how hard it is seeing animals in pain. And the nursing part has been very hard for me lately. (I could never be a vet or vet tech. I can't even stand going in the offices). I rescued two young moms with babies from my neighborhood about 18 years ago. After raising the kittens, I couldn't see adopting them out or separating them from mom, so I kept everyone. Of course, this led to animals aging in unison and I've been dealing with nursing one or more of them at a time for the past several years on my own. Recently, pretty intensely for five of them that I have lost within a year - a  16 and 18 year old last year, and three this year at over 17 and a half. I have another two 18 year olds that are doing pretty well. I do have a holistic vet, but sometimes antibiotics and meds are needed, so it's a trial between two vets, etc.  Neither really wants to work with the other at times. Sometimes they do. At this age, my cats need a TEAM, right? 

So I'm emotionally spent and stressed. This rescue came about right after my last guy here passed. So, there has been no break. And I've recently found this MMS - wish I would have found it sooner. It's a journey. In spite of it all, we are hanging in there!

I also do Reiki and Healing Touch and I have a Healy device, so he got a lot of energy work this weekend. He was happy and calm last night and had some nice REM sleep next to me on the love seat. He is in good spirits!

You have no idea how your support has helped me. When I posted, I prayed to have a response. 

 
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