Really extreme herxheimer reaction..

Hello 

My husband and I made a start on taking CDS - we started on '1 drop' (which apparently is 1ml so actually many 'drops' indeed) for as many hours as we could manage: then onto 2 then 3. 
My husband started to experience flu symptoms and I felt very depressed but unfortunately: we continued. 
Then I too started to experience severe flu symptoms: it was like the worst flu I've ever suffered from; every part of my body was aching/painful. Even my eyes were hurting.
By this time I had to stop taking it - both our appetites had gone (and haven't returned) and my stomach felt (and feels) raw and sickly. 

Has anyone else suffered such an extreme reaction? Did you manage to re-start taking it?
I'm not sure I could subject myself to that again - we've stopped altogether and my digestion is shot to pieces: making me feel sickly all the time..
Any advice/info on your experience especially if similar - would be appreciated. 

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Hello 

My husband and I made a start on taking CDS - we started on '1 drop' (which apparently is 1ml so actually many 'drops' indeed) for as many hours as we could manage: then onto 2 then 3. 
My husband started to experience flu symptoms and I felt very depressed but unfortunately: we continued. 
Then I too started to experience severe flu symptoms: it was like the worst flu I've ever suffered from; every part of my body was aching/painful. Even my eyes were hurting.
By this time I had to stop taking it - both our appetites had gone (and haven't returned) and my stomach felt (and feels) raw and sickly. 

Has anyone else suffered such an extreme reaction? Did you manage to re-start taking it?
I'm not sure I could subject myself to that again - we've stopped altogether and my digestion is shot to pieces: making me feel sickly all the time..
Any advice/info on your experience especially if similar - would be appreciated. 

Hello Holly Duff. When I read this part of your post "My husband and I made a start on taking CDS - we started on '1 drop' (which apparently is 1ml so actually many 'drops' indeed) for as many hours as we could manage: then onto 2 then 3." I wonder what you mean by 1 drop which is 1 ml so actually many drops indeed" How many drops did you use to create a dosage, and how often during the day (or night)  did you take them? And for what ailment is it chosen? Taking it as many hours as possible doesn't sound like the right approach. I'm pretty sure that you're not meant to repeat this protocol.
It's not intended to make you feel more sick and miserable, when trying to get healthy again.

It sounds certainly as if you've overdone it, ending up with a Herxheimer effect. I'm not familiar with CDS as in using it, nor have I had any need for the use of MMS myself, but I've studied Jim Humble's instructions, and you might benefit from reading Jim's Health Recovery Guide. Or, when you've found your method of using CDS through Andreas Kalcker, try contacting him and see how you can treat your present condition.

I suggest, at any case, never to continue taking a remedy when you begin to feel sick, nauseous, and depressed. Jim Humble advises to work backward after a Herxheimer effect shows up and cut the dose in half or even less. Better start in small doses and build up from there, while keeping an eye on your condition. If I'm right, there's no recommendation to take the remedy as often as possible, every hour. When Jim Humble recommends the use of MMS, he prefers making a fresh dose each time, in general, and in this forum I've read that MMS remains as substance for an hour to an hour and a half in one's system. When you haven't found it yet, here's Jim Humble's site: jimhumble.co/

I believe that by studying the subject more, and gain a clear feeling, and understanding about what you should do, in your case, wit your conditions, is the best way forward. Is there a need for taking the same protocol for both of you? There must be a remedy to neutralize the discomfort in both of your conditions. I seem to remember about salt and vit. C. Not sure though. Someone else here, with more experience, might know what to do about it.
Good luck!
 

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Hello 

My husband and I made a start on taking CDS - we started on '1 drop' (which apparently is 1ml so actually many 'drops' indeed) for as many hours as we could manage: then onto 2 then 3. 
My husband started to experience flu symptoms and I felt very depressed but unfortunately: we continued. 
Then I too started to experience severe flu symptoms: it was like the worst flu I've ever suffered from; every part of my body was aching/painful. Even my eyes were hurting.
By this time I had to stop taking it - both our appetites had gone (and haven't returned) and my stomach felt (and feels) raw and sickly. 

Has anyone else suffered such an extreme reaction? Did you manage to re-start taking it?
I'm not sure I could subject myself to that again - we've stopped altogether and my digestion is shot to pieces: making me feel sickly all the time..
Any advice/info on your experience especially if similar - would be appreciated. 


 

Explain exactly what you have done.

Exactly how many ml did you use? Or drops.
And into how much water did you mix it with?

When using CDS you use ml, not drops.
Whatever the case you need to back off and start way lower.

Do you have Andreas Kalcker's book Forbidden Health? What protocol are you following?

Look at CDS protocols here  andreaskalcker.com/en/cds-clo2/cds-protocols.html
Look at Protocol A.

Hello 
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
My saying 'there are many drops in 1ml' - means just that.
It is confusing that Jim Humble refers to MMS by the drop in terms of measuring it and activating it.
So it is also confusing when Andreas Kalcker refers to one whole 'ml' of CDS as one 'drop' - so when I say we started on one drop - I mean we started on 1ml many times throughout the day. 
I had looked at both Jim's books (but have just refreshed my memory regarding the starting procedure) and we did look at Andreas's website - I notice in Protocol A: he stipulates 3ml in 200ml water morning, lunchtime and evening but notably not all day long. 
We were unfortunately influenced by someone who had no ill affects at all at taking even higher doses every hour - Oh how I wish we could turn the clocks back: I have felt so ill that I really cannot imagine managing to make myself try this stuff again 
(I haven't taken it for days now and I have felt so s**t that it has made me weep because it is so relentless..) 

Hello 
Thank you for responding - I might have answered some of what you are asking above. 
We unfortunately didn't start on the 'starting procedure' - we were influenced by someone else who had no ill affects at taking 3ml plus doses all throughout the day. They were extremely naive to assume 'we would all be same' however but that is our fault for blithely doing as they bade. 
So when I say we started off at '1ml' - I mean '1ml' of CDS in 200ml water many times per day - I had read AK's protocol: so know that Protocol A; stipulates working up to 3ml morning, noon and night. 
I have just refreshed my memory on JH's books and in Protocol 1000: he does refer to 'taking 3 drops (which would be 3ml of CDS) on the hour for up to 8 hours.
No unfortunately I don't have AK's book.  

I just started last week. I went through the starting protocol within two days and nothing happened.  I had the same reaction, whole body ache, eye hurting.  I was having a flu before I started mms1 so not sure if any mms1 related flu symptoms.  Anyway, I cut back to 1 drop for a day, then gradually increase my 2 drop doses.  Today is the first day I went full day with 2 drops, and nothing serious happened beside still not much appetite.  Hopefully this will go away too.  My suggestions is to keep going at a much lower dose, even 1/4 drop.  Maybe you are detoxing too fast and your body can't handle all the toxins released.  Just my opinion.

Yep!!! Same thing happened to me. Had flu like symptoms and diarrhea for 5 days straight. I stopped taking MMS for few days till the symptoms vanished. 

Just started today retaking MMS but at a much lower dose...2 drops in the morning on an empty stomach. 

All my fault. I took too much too quickly and got sick over it due to rapid response via detoxing.

Your live. Just stop taking still feeling better. 

 

It's not uncommon for people to experience these symptoms if they rush into it.

As others have said, if you're new to this, you have to start slow and listen to your body. The protocols work but you need to ease into them. When I started myself I started with one drop on day one, that's it. Then two drops on day 2, 3 on day 3 and so on. By the time I had reached the 3-drops-per-hour-8-hours-per-day, a month had passed!

Some people can start the complete protocol on day one. Everyone is different so you really have to listen to how your body is dealing with it and act accordingly. There's no rush.

I hope you can get over the unpleasant experience soon and give it a go again, but take it easy!

By the way, 1 drop of CD, Chlorine Dioxide, is the combination of 1 drop of Sodium Chlorite (NaClO2) at 25% and 1 drop of Hydrogen Chloride (HCl) at 4%.
1 ml of CDS, Chlorinde Dioxide Solution, can be considered as the equivalent of 1 drop of CD.
 

Hello Batal, I'm relatively new here and still learning. When I imagine 1 ml of CDS as equal to 1 drop multiplied by 100 = 100 drops, I can't see it as a volume of 100 ml. Or is that truly the case? I may be mistaken, and to be honest, I've not measured 100 drops just to see if that's equal to 100 ml.

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Hello 
Thank you for responding - I might have answered some of what you are asking above. 
We unfortunately didn't start on the 'starting procedure' - we were influenced by someone else who had no ill affects at taking 3ml plus doses all throughout the day. They were extremely naive to assume 'we would all be same' however but that is our fault for blithely doing as they bade. 
So when I say we started off at '1ml' - I mean '1ml' of CDS in 200ml water many times per day - I had read AK's protocol: so know that Protocol A; stipulates working up to 3ml morning, noon and night. 
I have just refreshed my memory on JH's books and in Protocol 1000: he does refer to 'taking 3 drops (which would be 3ml of CDS) on the hour for up to 8 hours.
No unfortunately I don't have AK's book.   Hello HollyDuffy, since this exchange of comments I was curious about the remedy to calm down a Herxheimer reaction. This recommendation might
help in your situation. Even the lemon and apple cider vinegar alone, taken with the juice of freshly grated ginger, without the oxy-powder, may do the
job. For this is recommended as a cleaning of the digestion system on many other sites. Also, sustaining the liver with a tonic of Weleda or another brand producing organic tonics, is helpful during the recovery of your symptoms. Bitter taste in food is good for the liver also.  It's okay to add a bit of local or organic honey to sweeten the overnight flush somewhat. There are other helpful suggestions at your fingertips, I assume. Internet being a library without walls. The website link is below also:

The Overnight Flush

• Squeeze the juice of ½ organic lemon and add 1 teaspoon of organic raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar into 16 ounces of distilled water.
• Drink before bedtime with 4-8 capsules of  oxy-powder  on an empty stomach away from any foods or other supplements. Oxy-powder releases oxygen in the colon to detoxify and loosen toxins, undigested food particles and waste buildup so they can be flushed out naturally by the body.  Learn more about oxy-powder.
• Expect the next day to have a series of bowel movements with many of the toxins being eliminated. Most people feel a significant relief when these toxins are being flushed out.
• If you have never taken oxy-powder before, start with 2 capsules and gradually increase if needed.

The Overnight Toxins Flush - Nature's Most Potent Remedies (candidaspecialists.com)