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Could please, the MMS gurus on this board read this article by an individual named Bob (Murphy, Nc) who claims to know what's talking about: www.earthclinic.com/supplements/mms.html

I am no expert but it seems the article has some conflicting assertions.

Here are are just 2 statements

"Jim believes that MMS gets completely changed into chlorine dioxide, in the stomach, if you swallow it. This is no more true than what happens when activating MMS in a glass beaker. There is only a small continuous basal secretion of gastric acid, on an empty stomach, of usually less than 10 mEq/hour. It takes food to stimulate the secretion of gastric fluid, and then the HCl is only 0.5 to 1% of it. And acidifying sodium chlorite does not produce chlorine dioxide as the first step. It produces chlorous acid, HClO2."

"Also, Jim is wrong about MMS lasting only one hour in the body. Rat studies show that 100% chlorine dioxide, not the MMS mix, reaches peak blood level in 2 hours, with half absorbed in 3.5 hours. The leftover sodium chlorite, in the MMS mix, reaches peak blood level in 8 hours. 21% of it is still in the blood after 72 hours. So dosing every hour is not a good idea. Studies use one dose per day."

What do you think?
I know, a common tactic to discredit someone is to pose as an expert, overwhelm the reader with technical details, rat studies here, monkey studies there, etc...

Your opinion is much appreciated.

A couple of things worth mentioning about the article is that you can't get pure chlorine dioxide. Anything above 12% ClO2 gas strength will decompose rapidly back to chlorine and oxygen in a explosive manner. I work in an industrial plant that makes 20 tonnes per day ClO2 and have experienced it first hand.
Second, even through we use sodium chlorate and hydrochloric acid to make ClO2, it is the availability of the HCl that will determine how much ClO2 is produced. The same applies with sodium chlorite (or MMS). If insufficient acid is used or present then ClO2 can't be formed. So if you have unreacted MMS in your body and no acid to react with it then it would remain MMS.
The thing is no one has the the whole truth about MMS, not Jim, not Bob but we are on a road of discovery and we need people to share what they've learned or experienced. Then we need discernment as to whats really happening inside other bodies. Remember just because something is effective doesn't make it safe. (like radiation to kill cancer cells, effective yes, safe ??) So always listen to what your body is telling you. God bless

Thanks nzdutchie.

Here is another excerpt from the article:
"Since I believed Jim's harmlessness claim, at first, I took massive doses of pure chlorine dioxide, and inhaled full breaths of it. Once, my lungs hurt for three days afterwards. And massive doses caused my ears to ring, probably damaging sensitive inner ear nerve hairs."

Jim never said to take massive doses, on the contrary, he did said to start as small a dose as 1/2 drop and to stay within one's comfort zone.
Jim never said to inhale full breaths, on the contrary he said to breath it slowly, to do it once, and to use 2 drops not more
I really don't see how you can get massive doses with 1 or 2 drops....

When a treatment calls for 2 tablets of antibiotics a day, I never heard someone bash his doctor because he took 15 tablets and had complications.

I am wondering what the color of the guy's parachute is...

I have been gassed both by chlorine and chlorine dioxide. For me being gassed by chlorine was the far worst experience. It was like an asthma attack, i think. Its like the airways became restricted and breathing became very laboured with lots of coughing. Not so with chlorine dioxide, the airways never got restricted, got a bit light headed, probably due the dioxide replacing the oxygen. Not a pleasant experience but certainly not a scary as getting gassed by chlorine. How each person responds to being gassed is probably going to be different. But I have no fears about using chlorine dioxide as a gas to help get rid of colds and flu etc. but at strengths where I can't even smell it. Yes less, more often, is my motto

I think it is best not to share any comments without supporting research documents.

It is of no used and would not improved our readers knowledge base on a person comments.

Jim Humble here: Well you can do all the rat testing you want, but Andreas did testing on simulated stomachs in a couple of hospitals in Spain. The length of time that Chlorine dioxide remained in the body was 1 hour. In testing chlorine dioxide in a simulated stomach with actual stomach digestive juices an additional 10% chlorine dioxide is generated. If you swish the MMS1 solution around in your mouth for 30 seconds it is completely killed and no chlorine dioxide is created.

By doing various tests on a test bench with stomach acid and other digestive solutions you first get chlorous acid that lasts only a seconds before it turns into chlorine dioxide. And making 20 tons of chlorine dioxide and one tenth of an ounce is quite different and gives you different results. So when you add 1 drop of Sodium chlorite (22.4%) to one drop of HCl (4%) acid you will get an instant 24000 ppm chlorine dioxide which is a little more than 1.1% chlorine dioxide. But you have only turned 1/10th of the sodium chlorite to chlorine dioxide. If you add 9 more drops of acid you will turn all of the sodium chlorite into acid. Sitting in a glass of water that chlorine dioxide will last almost 24 hours, but put some saliva and some digestive enzymes into the glass and the chlorine dioxide will last only about an hour.

So when you add one drop of HCl activator to one drop of sodium chlorite you get MMS of about 8 ppm when added to 1/2 cup of water (that's a one drop dose of MMS1). When it goes down into the stomach the stomach usually reacts adding some more acid, but the solution you drank (1/2 cup) is now diluted and it reacts much slower so in a few minutes you now have only another amount of chlorine dioxide equal to that first generated by the drop of activator acid. So you see that is equal to a dose of about 16 ppm instead of 8 ppm generated by the drop that was put into the 1/2 cup of water.

That leaves in your system still another 8/10ths of the amount of sodium chlorite that has not been turned to chlorine dioxide. I am sorry about the rats and monkeys, people have been tested again and again and they don't seem to give you the same results as the rats. But guess what? The sodium chlorite is also an oxidizer with an even lower oxidation potential than chlorine dioxide. A number of patents were written on this fact back in the 1980's and 1990's. The sodium chlorite because of its lower oxidation potential penetrates even deeper into the tissues and when encountering a pathogen it releases oxygen that destroys the pathogen. That is the reason why MMS is the most effective of the various chlorine dioxide solutions.

But saying stomach acid is only 1% HCl can be confusing. The 1% acid is a pH of 0 to about 1 which is considered to be a very strong acid. Still it only doubles the chlorine dioxide but that is not because of the acid, that is because you have diluted the 1 drop of activated sodium chlorite 2400 times and that slows down the activation process by a long time.

I stress in my book over and over, with more warning than anything else, never take massive breaths of chlorine dioxide gas. Take tiny amounts, usually not enough to really smell. I suggest using 2 drops and never go beyond a burning feeing or bite in the throat. Follow instructions an it will not be a problem. Follow nzdutchie's suggestion and you will be OK.

A 12% gas of chlorine dioxide is very strong. Making 12% is not easy, but it can be done. When it reaches a little over 12% it does what is called in the industry, it creates a puff. A puff is a low explosion. It can blow things around the lab and even break a bottle, but it usually really doesn't do any damage. I have never found any reason for making chlorine dioxide that strong. MMS Gas (chlorine dioxide) is only used for lungs and for things on the skin. Please follow the instructions in my book for the lungs or you can become very uncomfortable.

Oh yes. About the safety. Well yes, nothing is guaranteed in this life and the safety of MMS isn't either. But considering that millions have used MMS and billions have come in contact with it in their water supplies and there has never been an official report of permanent damage or death from MMS it can be considered one of the safest chemicals. Consider that over 15,000 deaths were recorded for 2008 for aspirin and Ibuprofen.

I don't remember all the details that I believed 10 years ago, so no doubt I believe different then, but what I believe now is different so please don't quote me as believing different than what I have given here. All I say is based on dozens and thousands of tests and results. AND PLEASE DON'T TELL PEOPLE NOT TO DOSE EVERY HOUR. I TREATED THOUSANDS OF CASES OF ALL KINDS OF DISEASES IN THE JUNGLE, BY EMAIL, IN PERSON, AND ON THE PHONE BEFORE I STARTED HOURLY DOSES. THEN I TREATED MORE THAN 60,000 PEOPLE IN THE SAME WAY WITH HOURLY DOSES AND i GOT TEN TIMES THE RESULTS WITH HOURLY DOSES. ON TOP OF THAT HUNDREDS OF THOSE WHOM I HAVE TRAINED HAVE TREATED SEVERAL MILLION WITH HOURLY DOSES IF NOT MORE. WE TRY NOT TO GO BY THEORY BUT RATHER WE GO BY ACTUAL RESULTS. UNLESS OF COURSE, IF YOU HAVE BETTER RESULTS IN MANY THOUSANDS OF CASES, THEN GO FOR IT.

Thank you very much Jim for taking the time to clarify the matter.
Thanks again.

Based on this test I did, I'd say that the sodium chlorite is almost completely activated in a stomach that has what's considered to be an average amount of stomach acid in it.

Hope that helps,
--Scott

Thanks Scott.
I had a feeling based what I read in Jim's book and on this board that this guy's math did not add up. Too many contradictions in his article. The more I read his article the more I am convinced that he is not what he claims to be.
Let's not waste our time with his nonsense.